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Should the article have a section on "Challenges" faced by tourism industry? ] (]) 06:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Should the article have a section on "Challenges" faced by tourism industry? ] (]) 06:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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* '''Include''' I do think we should present the article comprehensively, properly and fairly, cover both sides; both good and bad, pro and cons, strength and weaknesses. Avoid censorship and a plain promotion by writing solely in rose-tinted hue travel guide-style narrative, which might misled readers to believe that everything is perfect in Indian tourism industry.<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</span> 07:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC) * '''Include''' I do think we should present the article comprehensively, properly and fairly, cover both sides; both good and bad, pro and cons, strength and weaknesses. Avoid censorship and a plain promotion by writing solely in rose-tinted hue travel guide-style narrative, which might misled readers to believe that everything is perfect in Indian tourism industry.<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</span> 07:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::But stop edit warring until the consensus is reached. I don't see any helpful material here, only view it as misleading for readers and they would question if there are any real problems despite increase or its all just a big hype by POV pushers using unreliable sources. ] (]) 09:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC) ::But stop edit warring until the consensus is reached. I don't see any helpful material here, only view it as misleading for readers and they would question if there are any real problems despite increase or its all just a big hype by POV pushers using unreliable sources. ] (]) 09:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

:::I have removed above RfC link until the above sock resolves his sock puppet investigation. — ] (]) 00:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
===Threaded discussion=== ===Threaded discussion===
Having contributed to some tourism-related articles, addressing challenges/problems is a fairly common practice, and actually being encouraged to provide comprehensive description on country's tourism industry. These examples might help; ] and ], those articles address the challenge issue quite fair.<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</span> 08:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Having contributed to some tourism-related articles, addressing challenges/problems is a fairly common practice, and actually being encouraged to provide comprehensive description on country's tourism industry. These examples might help; ] and ], those articles address the challenge issue quite fair.<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;'']''&nbsp;</span> 08:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Tourism-in-India

http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/Tourism_in_India

Is it only I who notice the similiarities? I thought you weren't supposed to copy stuff right off another page.

Those sites are both Misplaced Pages:Mirrors. They state on the pages you linked above that the content is from Misplaced Pages. They're allowed to do this since the content is GFDL. See Misplaced Pages:Copyrights. Angela. 08:57, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

New India tourism articles

I have started new articles on India states by using entire sections from this article and then reducing the amount in each of the section afterwards.

Some of the new articles are:

Tourism in Andhra Pradesh
Tourism in Madhya Pradesh

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India is a good place no doubt i am a indian but recent days studies found that ofcourse india is safe to visit but you must be extra careful about the place which you may visit. You need to get references and plan your trip with good care so that you will not run into dangers. You can contact police at all given times and keep references of your respective embassy numbers when you get into trouble just let the police know what is the exact trouble you are having. You just need to have a nominal sim card in the phone you can dial 100 in india at all given times and police will be glad to help you whenever required all major cities today have a good law and order system so I request all the tourists coming to india please do not fear you have got good protection and a great legal system to help you everytime. Recently indian courts have become very good and contact any local advocate for any problems or what so ever.

Challenges

The challenges faced by tourism in India are, according to reliable sources, the lack of security (especially for women and children who are trafficked), the lack of infrastructure and accommodations, lack of professionalism, lack of disabled friendly facilities. Some of these sources are

@User:Orientls and User:MapSGV how would you like to word the section? Elektricity (talk) 04:07, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Don't need because you are distracting readers and tourism is not directly responsible. They are outdated reports, self published sources and WP:UNDUE. Since tourism is increasing there are clearly no major challenges that are affecting tourism. No one is perfect. Information already exists in other articles like Economic development in India, Rape in India, and others. We don't claim, for example, prevalence of terrorism, lack of infrastructure and other problems in Pakistan are negatively affecting tourism,(Tourism in Pakistan) and US telling others to "reconsider" traveling Pakistan. Such news reporting is not needed. — MapSGV (talk) 04:30, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
User:MapSGV That may be your opinion and you are entitled to that, but we wikipedians do not WP:OWN any articles so here we have to go by policy. These are not reports, these are studies that have been conducted by researchers. Please refer to this article during this discussion. Is WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTNEWS your only concern here? For that can be quickly alleviated if you look at the scholarly sources I quoted. Most of them have made the challenges section a part of Indian tourism and there exists a high prevalence of such discussion in scholarly sources. Please respond here when you have clicked through the sources to see that these are not news. Some of these have been commissioned by the Indian Government themselves. Elektricity (talk) 04:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Using opinion pieces, self published sources and unreliable sources like Gyan Publishing, IGI Global, and calling them scholarly makes my above point even more credible. Only reliable source was the one from researchgate but it also speaks of the large improvements frequently. That's how your "challenges" become questionable and undue. — MapSGV (talk) 04:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@MapSGV there is a study commissioned by the indian government, then there are journal articles. Gyan publishing is not an unreliable source as you claim. If it is so, perhaps you can take it to a noticeboard to find out. Please make one comment where you mention all of your concerns, first it was WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTNEWS and now you have gone onto the debate on sourcing. If sourcing is your concerns, please provide valid evidence. The official tourism site of India and other international journals cannot be just shrugged off. Elektricity (talk) 04:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

MapSGV is right with his evaluation of information. Your sources (mostly unreliable) and information would be WP:DUE only if you had evidence of decline in Indian tourism. It would be necessary at such point to detail the challenges the way you want us to do by creating a separate section after adding a stray sentence on lead. You could make a two liner out of this material and insert somewhere in existing section after providing correct rebuttal that also found in your source. But for now the article is totally relevant to tourism and any distraction, unless too important, would be undue. Orientls (talk) 06:30, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@User:Orientls why should the challenges section have the prerequisite of declining tourism? Elektricity (talk) 06:32, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm totally against deletion of challenges subsection, which is a blatant practice of censorship. I do think we should present the article properly and fairly, both good and bad, pro and cons, strength and weaknesses. Avoid forced censorship and a plain promotion by writing solely in rosy-hued travel guide-style narrative, which might misled readers to believe that everything is perfect in Indian tourism industry. Having contributed to some tourism-related articles, addressing challenges/problems is a fairly common practice, and actually being encouraged. For example, in another tourism-related article; Challenges to the Indonesian tourism industry fairly address this issue. Gunkarta  talk  07:36, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Should the article have a section on "Challenges" faced by tourism industry? Elektricity (talk) 06:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Survey

  • Include As Indian Tourism faces a number of challenges like lack of infrastructure, lack of security (terrorism and assaults on females etc.) and a number of other problems, we should include this section. Elektricity (talk) 06:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Include I do think we should present the article comprehensively, properly and fairly, cover both sides; both good and bad, pro and cons, strength and weaknesses. Avoid censorship and a plain promotion by writing solely in rose-tinted hue travel guide-style narrative, which might misled readers to believe that everything is perfect in Indian tourism industry. Gunkarta  talk  07:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
But stop edit warring until the consensus is reached. I don't see any helpful material here, only view it as misleading for readers and they would question if there are any real problems despite increase or its all just a big hype by POV pushers using unreliable sources. Orientls (talk) 09:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Threaded discussion

Having contributed to some tourism-related articles, addressing challenges/problems is a fairly common practice, and actually being encouraged to provide comprehensive description on country's tourism industry. These examples might help; Challenges to the Indonesian tourism industry and Threats to the Philippines' tourism industry, those articles address the challenge issue quite fair. Gunkarta  talk  08:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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