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Mother Jones citation in Prevention Section should be removed

Mother Jones is a media publication and not a credible unbiased source for data or studies. This can be moved to a gun control support opinion section if there is one added later.

I agree 100%. Incredibly odd that it is cited but not the study it supposedly reported on? RohanDavidson (talk) 23:44, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

There are many other citations that say that. I will add a different source.----Sue Maberry (talk) 17:40, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

"Thoughts and prayers"

Page watchers may be interested in expanding Thoughts and prayers. Thanks, ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Misleading use of Metzl (source) in the section on gun violence in America

Metzl is cited in support of the claim that gun control advocates attribute most gun violence to mental illness. I would say that position is actually more common among gun advocates (not among gun control advocates), who repeatedly insist that it's the person, not the gun, that does the killing. Far more important than my own view, though, is that of Metzl, cited as a source in support of that claim. Metzl actually challenges a set of assumptions, including the common assumption that most gun violence can be attributed to mental illness. Metzl writes: "Each of these statements is certainly true in particular instances. Evidence strongly suggests that mass shooters are often mentally ill and socially marginalized. Enhanced psychiatric attention may well prevent particular crimes. And, to be sure, mass shootings often shed light on the need for more investment in mental health support networks or improved state laws and procedures regarding gun access. At the same time, the literatures we surveyed suggest that these seemingly self-evident assumptions about mass shootings are replete with problematic assumptions, particularly when read against current and historical literatures that address guns, violence, and mental illness more broadly. On the aggregate level, the notion that mental illness causes gun violence stereotypes a vast and diverse population of persons diagnosed with psychiatric conditions and oversimplifies links between violence and mental illness. Notions of mental illness that emerge in relation to mass shootings frequently reflect larger cultural issues that become obscured when mass shootings come to stand in for all gun crime and when “mentally ill” ceases to be a medical designation and becomes a sign of violent threat." Metzl can certainly be used as a source to document that such assumptions exist, but accurate use of Metzl would require also noting that Metzl problematizes those assumptions. Jk180 (talk) 23:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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Section on Australia is poorly written.

This reads like poor journalism rather than an encyclopedic entry. Australia was "reeling"? In whose opinion? RohanDavidson (talk) 23:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Could use some minor adjustment. But, it's probably not far off considering the rather dramatic response in Ozzyland at that time. O3000 (talk) 02:01, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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The article includes a section Public health. This article belongs to Misplaced Pages, not to WP:GUNS. 173.165.99.23 (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I've changed the header and removed the actual project since that is what I contested.
I don't believe a short subsection on public health is enough to justify adding this article to the medicine project, but I'll post this to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Medicine for more input. Meters (talk) 22:36, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't know what the comment This article belongs to Misplaced Pages, not to WP:GUNS means. Meters (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Since there are four articles which are likely to have overlapping discussions, the discussions are being consolidated at Talk:Gun violence in the United States#Contested projects. Meters (talk) 02:35, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the WikiProject; sometimes a good-faith effort to help out means that things get mis-tagged.
As a matter of Misplaced Pages's rules, whether to tag this (or any) article as being supported by any group of editors is exclusively the decision of participants in that group. It doesn't matter if if seems "relevant" to the group's name. The only thing that matters is whether the editors in that particular group want to support a particular article. See WP:PROJSCOPE if you want to read the official rules. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:28, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
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