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R9tgokunks

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Request concerning R9tgokunks

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

R9tgokunks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#General 1RR restriction

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 06:13, 31 March 2018 - original authorship.
2. 06:18, 31 March 2018 - revert 1.
3. 04:27, 1 April 2018 - revert 2. Please note the edit summary "Reverted test edit." which I have a hard time to AGF.
4. 10:14, 1 April 2018 - request to self revert on user talk page.
5. 21:27, 1 April 2018 - response by user on talk page - rejecting the request to self revert, calling it " incredibly inappropriate and amounts to WP:WIKIHOUNDING".

The sequence above has two forbidden reverts per ARBPIA 1RR - the first an "original authorship" violation (which is, perhaps, a finer policy point), the second is a plain simple revert - a straight up violation, coupled with a problematical edit summary. There are also decorum/civility issues with the response. Yigael Yadin - a Haganah military leader and chief of staff of the IDF (active 1932-52 - through much of the early conflict) is clearly ARBPIA related.

Also relevant, a prior 1RR incident. The 1RR may not be sanctionable as done immediately prior to the DS alert, however the user's response to the DS alert and request to self-revert are relevant regarding decorum and civility (and would fall under the DS regime as it is after the alert):

1. 03:28, 28 March 2018 - revert1.
2. 01:38, 29 March 2018 - revert2.
3. 18:01, 29 March 2018 - revert3.
4. 18:09, 29 March 2018 - request to self revert.
5. 20:27, 29 March 2018 - response by user my talk page - rejecting the request and among other statements calling this "ridiculous and misleading" and "threatening".

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

18:08, 29 March 2018 - DS alert.

• Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

As I was accused of wiki hounding (even though my interaction with this user has been quite limited) and since this is relevant to the nature of the edits here, I got to these articles following a NPOV/n post by R9tgokunks. I was particularly concerned by this diff in which Haifa was incorrectly described as Palestinian territories (it was part of Mandatory Palestine - however never part of the West Bank or Gaza!), which R9tgokunks described as non-neutral (saying that the redaction of Palestinian territories was incorrect). This led me into some of these pages (e.g. Ireland–Israel relations).

As the 1RR restriction was applied directly by the Arbitration Committee it is not subject to the special awareness criteria for page-level sanctions. In any event, the user was amply notified by a request on their talk-page.

RE R9tgokunks stmt below:

1. I did not remove the information from the article, I challenged whether this technicality (who (and when) was in control of Jerusalem in 1917 (I will note Jerusalem was not in the lede - just "Ottoman born" - a phrase I believe isn't used on Misplaced Pages (or for the most part elsewhere) to describe people born in Ottoman Palestine)) was lede worthy, and whether a one sentence lede should highlight this aspect. I did not modify the infobox or category (which probably technically (though arguable given the dissolving state of affairs) was a correct cat for a few months).
2. Had R9tgokunks responded in a more civil manner (even if still uncivil) or asked me why I had made this request on their TP - I would have gladly explained. However as I was told my request was inappropriate and tantamount to wikihounding and previously told this was threatening (to which I responded civilly ) - I felt that I was highly unwelcome on R9tgokunks's talk page - it seems my friendly request was treated as harassment - and that further posts there would be seen in the same light. Mediation was not required for a clear redline 1rr.Icewhiz (talk) 04:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

RE RE - regarding the claims below (which seem to be WP:NPA) - per the editor interaction tool our interaction has been quite minimal, and had been prompted by the NPOV/n noticeboard discussion (which is intended to get un-involved editors involved). Calling a DS alert, and 2 polite requests to self-revert following 1RR issues - as "It feels like intense intimidation and bullying" is an issue in and of itself.Icewhiz (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

notified

Discussion concerning R9tgokunks

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Statement by R9tgokunks

It is highly inappropriate and misleading that user is trying to bring up numerous edits I made BEFORE being privy to sanctions on the two articles. This whole thing stems from there there were not being notices of sanctions on the articles when I edited them. I was also mostly unaware/unclear on sanctions to articles on the A-I conflict. I am still unclear why they apply to Ireland-Israel relations, the first one I was warned about. I also had no idea the closeness of Yigael Yadin to the A-I conflict/sanctions.

1. After being warned of 1RR for Ireland-Israel relations, I STOPPED editing. (TP warning)

2. I also STOPPED editing at Yigael Yadin after it's warning. (TP warning)

I have not edited Israel-related articles since then; 2 days ago; and Icewhiz has not taken part in discussion on my TP that was started yesterday, where @Bellezzasolo: has been attempting to mediate. Icewhiz also claims to have had "minimal interaction" with me. This is false. In the past week he has reverted at least 4 of my edits on at least 3 articles (1, 2, 3) & commented on post I made to NPOV noticeboard and ANI, as well as leaving 3 TP messages and filing this report. It was accused in private emails to myself from 2 other users who saw my ANI post that they believe user has a history of wikihounding, and POV-based editing, so I backed off and decided not to deal with the user as much as I could, aside from my talk page. (I have tried to make all afforementioned edits to these articles per this incident in which an IP made clearly biased edits. After this, Icewhiz seemed to patrol my edits on Israel topics, which I felt was intimidating. I complained about this at above ANI post, but retracted complaint within 1-2 hours, right after recieving the emails.)

I'm Jewish, but my goal was/is truth/removing POV and adding facts. For instance, Cakerzing reverted this because IP was making other disruptions. But I did research and found IP was right. I amendened it, and Icewhiz somehow disagreed, which removed a fact from the article. I reverted & assumed it was a "test" per WP:Assumegoodfaith, which I have increasingly tried hard to do with this user. I did not look into the subject of the article so I didn't know Yadin was closely associated with the conflict. All I looked to do was include the fact that he was born in the Ottoman Empire. Also, I felt that the first instance of warning me for my reversions of the IP + Icewhiz's addition of the unencyclopedic WP:WEASELWORD "alleged" here was unwarranted. My additional rationale was that the content dealt with had nothing explicitly to do with the A-I conflict, but Israel-Ireland. I assumed user was initially giving a false warning.

It wasnt until my second complaint about User, after the edits that other users started to actually clarify to me more in depth, and that I was able to fully understand the sanctions rulings more clearly. I have not edited on those articles since then out of trying to adhere to this, but also out of lack of wanting confrontation and fear that User will try to continue to to incorrectly single out my edits as malicious. Now I will be avoiding the content pretty much entirely. I didn't understand fully at first, but now that it has been clarified to me, I assume 1RR on any article on Israel per the feedback & sanctions, which I have ceased editing as of 2 days ago. R9tgokunks ✡ 22:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Re:Icewhiz comment

1.The claim that he did not remove info is false per this edit.

2.After the constant reversions, following of my edits, and the messages to my talk page, it was hard to assume good faith. It feels like intense intimidation and bullying, especially after the emails I got about him.

Statement by Bellezzasolo

I've been trying to mediate this dispute on R9tgokunks' talk page. My understanding of the issue is a disagreement on the meaning of this amendment. Icewhiz understands it as not appertaining to restrictions directly imposed by ARBCOM, R9tgokunks is expecting an edit notice on pages under sanctions. Per WP:ACDS#Authorisation, my understanding of this amendment is that an edit notice must be placed, however that is only my personal interpretation- clearly there is some confusion on the matter. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 11:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Capitals00

Reverting constructive edit as "test edit", is clearly misleading. Capitals00 (talk) 12:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Cbs527

It doesn't appear this is a enforceable offense. There shouldn't be any confusion - Arab-Israeli conflict-related pages fall under standard discretionary sanctions. "Palestine-Israel articles - Standard discretionary sanctions". The 1RR restriction stated in the complaint was an amendment to this sanction.

Per Arbcom motion enacted January 15, 2018,

Editors who ignore or breach page restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator provided that, at the time the editor ignored or breached a page restriction:

1. The editor was aware of discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict, and

2. There was an edit notice (ds/editnotice) on the restricted page which specified the page restriction.

There was not a (ds/editnotice) on the page at the time of the 1RR violation which is required before sanctions can be issued. WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts clearly states in addition to editor receiving an alert "There are additional requirements in place when sanctioning editors for breaching page restrictions." The "additional requirements" links to the requirement for the (ds/editnotice) WP:AC/DS#Page restrictions.

• @GoldenRing: Thank you for for the clarification. CBS527 23:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Result concerning R9tgokunks

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• I've dropped a note at the editor's TP, but I'll repeat some of it here. Editnotices are required when an admin places page restrictions on a specific page using the authorisation of discretionary sanctions. 1RR on Palestinian-Israeli conflict topics is not that sort of restriction and no editnotice is required. While the text at ARBPIA3 has lost the "without warning" qualification, this editor has been warned repeatedly and is not accepting that they are at fault; I'd suggest a 48-hour block. GoldenRing (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

• @Cbs527: See my comment above. The 1RR restriction on ARBPIA topics is not a "page restriction" as is meant in that amendment, though I think we're going to have to take up with the committee the amount of confusion this is causing. GoldenRing (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

• Agree with User:GoldenRing. The Arbcom-imposed 1RR applies to all articles in the topic area: "Each editor is limited to one revert per page per 24 hours on any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." In practice, when enforcing this it is worthwhile being sure that the user knows about the 1RR. From what people are saying above, the user *was* aware of the 1RR. Though R9tgokunks has not yet reponded at AE They have stated on their talk page 'there are no mentions on those articles of sanctions'. By those articles he must be referring to Yigael Yadin. Since Yadin served as the chief of staff of the Israeli army and was a high official in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War the page would easily fall under Arbcom's definition of being 'reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict'. EdJohnston (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

• Updated my comment to reflect that R9tgokunks has now responded at AE. EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Note that I have removed replies by R9tgokunks in nearly every section of this report but his own. Per the big red notice at the top of this page, statements must be made in your own section. GoldenRing (talk) 02:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
• There are two sets of reverts presented. Contrary to what Icewhiz seems to state, the second set of reverts on Ireland–Israel relations is not a 1RR incident even if R9tgokunks had been alerted. Their first two reverts were reverting an IP and are therefore exempt as they were (unknowingly) enforcing the General Prohibition. The first set of reverts did violate ARBPIA3 but it's easy to see why that mistake was made, given the content. I also note that R9tgokunks did not re-revert after being reverted later the same day. I suggest this report will serve as a wake up call and R9tgokunks is now fully aware of how careful they have be when editing in this area, even with the absence of article/talk page notices. I recommend no block be levied but if one is still felt required by fellow admins that it be no more than 48 hours. --NeilN 21:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Captain Occam

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Request concerning Captain Occam

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Beyond My Ken (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Captain Occam (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence/Review#Remedies
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence/Review#Amendments by motion
• I am unable to find the record of the discussion by which Captain Occam was unbanned
• Misplaced Pages:Editing restrictions - Search for "Captain Occam" shows this topic ban:

Captain Occam is topic-banned from the race and intelligence topic area, broadly construed. He is subject to a two-way interaction ban with Mathsci (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log). If he behaves disruptively in any discussion, any uninvolved administrator may ban him from further participation in that discussion. Any such restriction must be logged on the R&I case page.

This is, I believe, a condition of the unbanning

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

I cannot supply many diffs, because this complaint concerns Captain Occam using the Misplaced Pages-provided e-mail service to contact me in violation of his topic ban against Race and intelligence.

The timeline:

• I received a "Misplaced Pages email" from Captain Occam time-stamped at 11:17 PM EDT, in which Captain Occam criticized my editing on Race and intelligence. I do not believe I'm allowed to make the entirety of the e-mail public without Captain Occam's explicit permission, but it begins

  I'm still under a topic ban, so I can't participate in the race and intelligence article directly, but I'd like to call your attention to a mistake you made...

  Whether my edit was a "mistake" or not is irrelevant to this case.

• I responded to Captain Occam by e-mail:

  I need neither correction nor advice from the likes of you. You are specifically directed not to email me again. If you do, I will bring the matter to ArbCom.

  I will forward my portion of this e-mail to whomever wants to see it.

• I then posted this same text to User talk:Captain Occam.

• Captain Occam's answer on his talk page was measured: "Well, I'm curious to see how that works out for you."

• But Captain Occam's response in his second e-mail (time-stamped 11:29 PM EDT) to me was not so measured: "Ha, ha, ha, really? You'll bring it to ArbCom? Please go ahead. I'd say its about time that ArbCom took a look at your behavior."

• Since Captain Occam's second e-mail was in direct violation of my instruction not to e-mail me again, I believe he has abrogated any privacy rights hemight have had in it, and I will forward it to whomever wishes to see it.

• I posted this information to Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard, and the clerks there advised me to come here.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I've been here for over 12 1/2 years now, and I've managed to avoid filing an AE complaint, or being the subject of one. I guess there's always going to be a first time.

Obviously, my complaint against Captain Occam hinges completely on whether his use of the Misplaced Pages-provided e-mail system to discuss Race and intelligence, a subject he is topic banned from, in an unsolicited e-mail to an editor he considers to be an antagonist , is a violation of his topic ban or not. My contention is this: I provide my e-mail to the Misplaced Pages system in order to facilitate communication to me from editors that would be better off not spread out publicly on Misplaced Pages, but one can only get to me at that specific e-mail address by way of the Misplaced Pages system. Therefore, it is part and parcel of the Misplaced Pages system, and Captain Occam's use of it to discuss Race and intelligence with someone he should have know would be an unwilling recipient of his message is perforce a violation of his topic ban.

His then continued use of the email system to contact me after I had specifically told him not to do so again, is also a direct violation of my right of privacy. Captain Occam has no inherent right to write, talk, whisper, sing, or emote at me through a private e-mail gateway once he has been told by me not to do so. If he had my personal e-mail address, I couldn't stop him from using the (quasi-)public Internet to do so, but since the only way he could contact me was through Misplaced Pages's e-mail system, Misplaced Pages is responsible for the proper regulation of that system, and to see that it is not being misused. In this case, since the topic ban in question was related to an Arbitration case that resulted in a site banning, and then an unbanning, AE is the proper authority to decide whether there has been a violation.

In my view, the first proper remedy in this situation is to cut off Captain Occam's access to e-mail. Further, I would argue that his topic ban's statement "If he behaves disruptively in any discussion, any uninvolved administrator may ban him from further participation in that discussion", which does not in any way specify where the discussion might take place, is pertinent to his unsolicited "discussion" with me via e-mail, regardless of the faux politeness of his response on his talk page. I suggest that in regard to this portion of his topic ban, he be re-blocked for a substantial period of time, considering that his unbanning was conditional on good behavior.

• Just to note that Captain Occam conveniently overlooks these edits, which postdate the ones he complains of below, and which are still on his talk page under the heading "Apology".My interactions on the Race and intelligence article are entirely no business of Captain Occam's, as he has been banned from that topic "broadly construed", and would be best advised to stay away from it completely. I also reject the preposterous notion that Captain Occam was "concerned" for me in some way. (Incidentally, all this "concern" was prompted by one single edit. I am not a prolific contributor to the article Race and intelligence, having made a total of 16 edits to it, all between October 2017 and 2 April 2018. Only one of these -- the latest-- concerned Captain Occam's "collaborator", yet he was so deeply bothered by it, that he sent unsolicited e-mail on a topic he is banned from to a person he doesn't get along with.)I stand by my evaluation of Captain Occam's behavior and character. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Regarding Sandstein's question: I did not know about the ability to block e-mails from individuals earlier -- or, rather, I had read on AN that such blocking abilities for e-mails and pings and such were under development -- but not only did I not know that they had become available, I wouldn't have held on to the information for long because I generally don't receive e-mails of the sort I received this evening om Captain Occam.However, Captain Occam's suggestion seems to imply that I should have been responsible for blocking him in advance of his e-mails, as well as each and every person on Misplaced Pages who I might not want to get emails from, Such an idea is silly on the face of it, and blames the victim rather then the perpetrator.However, to return to the land of the rational again, yes, Sandstein, now that I've been made aware of its existence, I will block Captain Occam from sending me e-mail. However, while I understand the desire of AE admins to not have to wrestle with the problem of e-mail generated by Misplaced Pages and whether it should be considered part of topic bans or not, let me point out this: if some editor had been using Misplaced Pages to send me death threats, or child pornography, I guarantee you that that ediors's email access would have been shut down faster than you can say "Would the Real Donald Trump report to the guidance counselor?" If Misplaced Pages does that -- and it most certainly does do that -- then it has already ceded that it has jurisdiction over Misplaced Pages-initiated e-mail, and can shut it off or otherwise regulate it in any way that it chooses, including by making it part of topic bans. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• I don't have a lot to say additionally:

• @Newyorkbrad: Thank you for instructing Captain Occam on the noticeboard talk page not to e-mail me again, I was unaware of this, probably because I was preparing this complaint at the time you posted, and hadn't returned there except to check the history to get the diff of Captain Occam's initial response to me. I have already, having now learned of its existence, taken advantage of the new facility provided in "Preferences" to block e-mails from Captain Occam.
• @GoldenRing: Your question about whether it was the content of the e-mail that I found problematic per se or the contact from Captain Occam is surprisingly hard to answer. The tone of the e-mail was superficially polite (much like his response to me on his talk page), and there was nothing in it that was egregiously offensive. I would provide it to whomever not as proof that I was being personally insulted or defamed by Captain Occam, but instead as proof that the entire e-mail was firmly within the scope of his "Race and intelligence" topic ban. However, I found the fact that Captain Occam thought he could contact me to and upbraid me for an edit that was within his topic ban to be in and of itself offensive, on the order of "How dare he!". So, it's a bit of both, really.
• @Sandstein: I know that EdChem has now provided for you the basis and wording of the topic ban, but I do want to point out that I did list it in my initial complaint as the fourth item under the sub-heading "Sanction or remedy to be enforced", where I quoted the language of the topic ban as logged at WP:Editing restrictions.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I've just realized the sheer chutzpah of Captain Occam writing, in his initial response to this complaint, "If there is anything AE admins can do to address the more general issue of the battleground environment surrounding this topic" now that a number of editors have exposed the fact that he is attempting to gather a "task force" of like-minded editors on the "Race and intelligence" subject. Presumably we're meant to believe that this task-force would work to keep things calm and rational in this subject area, and that their intended purpose is not to push for a particular viewpoint, such as the one that Captain Occam was pushing when he was topic-banned. Oh, and not to mention "... the battleground environment ... to which I think Beyond my Ken is contributing," when I've made all of 16 edits to the Race and intelligence article in my entire editing career, as opposed to the 177 edits by Captain Occam from July 2009 until he was topic-banned in 2010. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I would also remind the admins here that Captain Occam is no stranger to editing by proxy. In the Arbitration Motion by which Captain Occam was un-site banned , the Committee at that time specifically found that Captain Occam and User:Ferahgo the Assassin "shared an IP and who were found to be proxying for one another". The Motion goes on to say "Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin are reminded that tag-team editing, account sharing, and canvassing are not permitted." (emphasis added) Canvassing via Misplaced Pages e-mail is canvassing nonetheless, so here is another specific condition of Captain Occam's un-site banning conditions that he has explicitly and admittedly violated. I submit that the proper sanction here is not a one month block, but a reinstatement of Captain Occam's indefinite site ban. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: I am a bit hobbled here by the fact that the discussion which led to Captain Occam being un-site banned was a private one, something I complained about at the time , so although we known the terms of the topic ban that replaced the site ban, we don'tknow the intent of Arbitration Committee at that time in un-site banning Captain Occam. If, for instance, the Committee intended that Captain Occam should follow the topic ban, or else have the site ban restored, then Captain Occam's current violations of the topic ban should, obviously, lead to his site ban being restored.I'm not certain why the Committee at the time allowed the un-banning discussion to take place in private, nor do I suggest that private discussion be made public, but I do think that the current Committee should take a close look at the intent of the Committee at the time and report the results to the admins contributing to the discussion here.I do know that one arbitrator, Drmies, responded to me on the noticeboard talk page by saying "...we can't always do everything out in the open, but that's a general statement, as you know. Strictly speaking the ArbCom route is a valid route--the community may well come back in if future behavior is troubling." Well, we're back at the place where Captain Occam's behavior is "troubling", and if the community can "come back into it", cannot the admins at AE also do so as well?What I'm saying is that in this particular case, I think we're little beyond the "standard enforcement" protocols, which only allow a maximum 1 month block for a first offense. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:34, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I have left a message for the Arbitration Committee on their noticeboard talk page, asking them to read and comment on my comment above, and on EdChem's second comment in his section below. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notification

Discussion concerning Captain Occam

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Statement by Captain Occam

I sent Beyond My Ken e-mail a few hours ago expressing concern about him showing what appears to be a WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude. In retrospect I suppose that doing so was a mistake, but his threat to go to ArbCom over it seemed so ridiculous that I didn't think he was serious about it. I'm willing to describe the contents of my e-mail, but only with AE's permission, since it involves an article from which I'm topic banned, and I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to discuss that here.

I also should note that the Misplaced Pages e-mail function has a feature to block e-mail from specific users, which Beyond my Ken appears to have not used. If he really cared about not receiving e-mail from me, blocking me from sending him e-mail would have been a much easier solution than reporting me at AE.

The background of this situation is a trio of edits that Beyond My Ken made directed against me shortly after I was unbanned. (Note that I am not, in fact, a creationist.) These edits are what initially made me concerned about his attitude, and how his attitude potentially affects other editors.

I e-mailed BMK because I was concerned about his behavior towards user:Deleet, who is currently helping me with a separate on-Wiki project related to the measurement of personality and intelligence in general (but not to the R&I topic). It will be a loss for Deleet's and my collaboration if Deleet eventually quits Misplaced Pages out of frustration, which is something I've seen happen to other editors as a consequences of their bad experiences on R&I articles. In general, BMK's reaction to my e-mail is confirming my concerns. In his response here, he referred to me as a "massive discredit to Misplaced Pages" and a "son of a bitch".

I have no intention to participate in articles related to race and intelligence as long as my topic ban is in effect. However, it's happened in the past that the toxic editing environment on those articles has spilled over into other areas, and this is a situation where that outcome has the potential to affect an area that I'm currently involved in. My understanding is that if an area I'm currently editing is potentially affected by a situation on an article from which I'm topic banned, trying to resolve the situation by e-mail is the correct course of action. I've e-mailed ArbCom about these sorts of issues arising from the R&I topic a few times since my unban, and they've consistently indicated that I was allowed to do so.

If there is anything AE admins can do to address the more general issue of the battleground environment surrounding this topic, to which I think Beyond my Ken is contributing, I'd appreciate that. --Captain Occam (talk) 06:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Response to Maunus

ArbCom has been very clear what the scope of the "race and intelligence" topic is. As per this motion, it is defined as "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed". Arguing that my topic ban covers all individual differences in psychological traits, even when they have nothing to do with race, is interpreting this topic area far more broadly than how ArbCom interprets it. I also should note that until my topic ban is lifted, I intend to limit my involvement in the task force to organizational tasks such as making sure the templates work properly--I don't intend to make any substantive edits to the articles themselves. --Captain Occam (talk) 08:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Responses to Sandstein

@Sandstein: Could you please address my point about how ArbCom has defined the scope of the "race and intelligence" topic area? As I pointed out to Maunus above, they have defined it as "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed". I haven't read Oliver James' book, so I don't know whether it discusses race or not, but race also isn't mentioned in any of the reviews of his book that I've read (for example: ). I am skeptical of Maunus's claim that this book "features the race and iq question prominently". If it does, why is that not mentioned in either of these reviews?

If AE wishes for me to avoid editing anything related to the heritability of psychological traits in general, I'll follow that restiction, but I don't believe that my topic ban as it currently stands applies to the heritability of psychological traits if race isn't involved. This distinction isn't splitting hairs--there is something like ten times more research (and coverage at Misplaced Pages) about genes and psychology in general than there is about group differences. --Captain Occam (talk) 12:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: Can you accept that I honestly believed the scope of my topic ban to be the same set of articles that are covered by discretionary sanctions? I think this would be a natural thing for most editors to assume, whether it's correct or not. If in your view this assumption was incorrect, and you close this report with a warning for me, I'll avoid all articles related to the heritability of psychological traits for as long as my topic ban remains in effect. --Captain Occam (talk) 12:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: and @GoldenRing: I've just remembered one other important line of evidence about how ArbCom interprets the scope of the R&I topic bans. In September 2016 user:Ferahgo_the_Assassin, who is covered by the same topic ban as me due to our history of sharing an IP address, appealed a set of additional editing restrictions she was under. In her request, she stated that if these restrictions were lifted she intended to edit the mental chronometry article, which is a topic related to the measurement of intelligence. (There also is a fair amount of research about mental chronometry and genetics, although the article doesn't currently mention that.) So ArbCom was fully aware that Ferahgo intended to edit this article if her additional restrictions were lifted, but they still granted her appeal.

This decision doesn't seem consistent with your view that topic bans from the R&I topic extend to articles about the measurement and genetics of intelligence in general. If ArbCom intended the scope of R&I topic bans to be that broad, then they would have considered the mental chronometry article to be within the scope of Ferahgo's topic ban, and would have either denied her appeal, or at least granted it with the instruction to not edit that article. (They didn't give her any such instruction.) --Captain Occam (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sandstein: @GoldenRing: For the record, my contacting of other editors who I thought would be interested in joining the task force was something suggested to me by Everymorning. However, I don't blame Everymorning for my making this mistake; I should have realized that my doing this would look like canvassing. Whether I get blocked or not, I'll be more careful in the future to abide by the spirit of my topic ban, rather than just the letter of the law. --Captain Occam (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Maunus

I have been subjected to the same type of attempts to influence my editing in the R&I topic area in the period before Captain Occam's ban was lifted. Here he also used an odd combination on flattery and thinly veiled threats to attempt to make me try to reverse edits he disliked. He implied that he had been instrumental in influencing the process that lead to the banning of Mathsci, and that he could do the same to me or other editors that he didn't find to be "reasonable". It seems to be the same kind of implied threat he uses when he tells BeyondMyKen that "it is about time Arbcom takes a look at your behavior". Captain Occam has neither been willing or able to leave the R&I topic area but monitors it regularly and writes about it off-wiki, in what could be seen as attempts at canvassing. Occam has himself published part of an email he sent to me in an off-wiki forum, for which reason I also would not mind sending the email to arbitrators as evidence. It seems very odd to me to enact a topic ban, but not react to evidence of off-wiki attempts to influence wikipedia's coverage of that topic. It seems even odder to allow a topic banned user to use wikipedia's email system to influence other users' edits in the topic area.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 07:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Furthermore I am highly concerned that Captain Occam is editing in the area of psychometrics - since this is exactly half the topic of R&I from which Captain Occam is topic banned. His banning was specifically related to attempting to misrepresenting the relative prominence of views within psychometrics regarding the measurement of variation of IQ between populations and the causes of variation and it seems extremely likely that his coverage of psychometrics in general will be similarly skewed towards the specific controversial hereditarian viewpoints that Occam has favored in the R&I debate (a debate that Deleet is also personally involved in with clear pro-race views off-wiki). It seems clear to me that psychometrics would fall under the R&I topic ban broadly construed, just as the topic of Race would, should he decide to edit there. I would argue that Captian Occam has clearly and knowlingly violated his topic ban, not only in his emails to BMK, but also in his collaboration with Deleet on a "psychometrics task force". ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 08:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• The strict definition of the R&I topic ban as being only the "intersection" of race and intelligence adopted in the motion referred to by Captain Occam in effect renders the topic ban useless since that would mean that he can freely edit both the "Race" and the "intelligence" topics only being banned from the very few instances in which these topics explicitly intersect. It is of course possible to advocate for heredity of racial differences in IQ without actually editing those topics or mentioning that specifically, for example by overemphasizing the support for biological heredity of IQ in articles on psychometrics and simultaenously overemphasizing the support for biological inheritance in racial categorization. The sum of such edits would be to give undue weight to the arguments that support hereditarian cuases for the IQ disparity in race, without actually editing the R&I topic. This situation is untenable. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 08:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• It is amazing to me that arbitrators seem unable to see how working to influence the editing of other editors within the topic area that Captain occam is banned from is problematic.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Sandstein (talk · contribs): Here is the evidence that Occam is editing in the topic of pscyhometrics (he supplied it himself in his statement above) Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Psychology/Psychometrics_task_force. I of course cannot provide evidence for Occam's knowing that his editing is counter to the topic ban - the unfortunate amendment of the topic ban to only being the "intersection of race and psychometrics" suggests that he had reason to believe that psychometrics is not covered by the topic ban - though for the reasons stated above it clearly should be. The gfact is however, that Occam has never not during is original ban, nor during this topic ban, left the topic but has worked intently to influence the topic through off-wiki means.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 10:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Sandstein (talk · contribs) I have made no "allegations" that require diffs. The evidence for his work in psychometrics is at hand. If it is not included under the topic ban then that is not a breech - though I reiterate that it should be, since the topic ban is in effect useless if it is not. The other "allegations" I have made are about off-wiki conduct and I can therefore not supply diffs, but will be happy to supply links privately to avoid any accusations of "outing". I would really like you and the other arbitrators to make a principled statement about the permissibility of using private commmunication (including threats of appealing to administrative action) to influence contributers in a topic area from which one is topic banned.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 10:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Sandstein (talk · contribs) here are your diffs:Captain occam adding himsel to the Psychometrics taskforce.. Captain Occam adding the taskforce banner to the aricle on psychometrics., Captain Occam inviting users who have previously edited in the field of R&I arguing for hereditarianism to the Psychometrics taskforce using wikipedia email. Captain occam editing about hereditability of IQ. This last diff alone is in my view a violation of the topic ban because it pertains to James' book "not in your Genes" in which James argues against a genetic component of the racial IQ gap - and Occam specifically removes a statement that would defend James' conclusion against the hereditarian view posed by his critic. The article about James does not specifically mention race or IQ, but James book which is being described and critiqued features the race and iq question prominently and its conclusions are directly relevant to the R&I question because it champions an environmental explanation for ability and behavior.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 11:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• It seems to me that clarifying the scope of the R&I topic ban is in order. Can Captain Occam under the scope of his topic ban edit articles that are about race, but which do not include anything on racial differences in intelligence? Can he be part of a "race task force" that seeks to exert some sort of organized effort on wikipedia's coverage of the topic of race? Can he interact with other editors and discuss the coverage of race related topics and intelligence related topics, as long as he does not himself make edits to those articles where the two intersect? Is he allowed to seek to influence other editors who edit in the R&I topic area through off-wiki communication as long as he himself does not make the actual edits? Is the spirit of the topic ban not to require the topic banned editor to cease any efforts to influence the coverage of the topic whether directly or indirectly? ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 14:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Johnuniq

• WP:Editing restrictions#Placed by the Arbitration Committee lists the restrictions on Captain Occam.
• Captain Occam was unbanned on 1 January 2017 with restrictions including a topic ban from "the race and intelligence topic area, broadly construed".

I have not looked at Captain Occam's psychometrics edits but that topic is part of the race and intelligence battle which focused on differences in the IQ scores achieved by people from various "races". For example, consider this July 2010 permalink which included:

"Intelligence is most commonly measured using IQ tests. These tests are often geared to measure the psychometric variable g (for general intelligence factor)."

Johnuniq (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by EdChem

Sandstein, Captain Occam is most definitely still under a topic ban that was imposed as a condition of unbanning on 1 January 2017. Here is the WP:ACN notification of the conditions and here is the related WT:ACN discussion. For the record, I share the concerns about Captain Occam editing on psychometrics when that area has been an integral part of R&I discussions / debates. I also note that, whether the use of email was explicitly prohibited or not, Captain Occam using emails to discuss the R&I area with WP editors and potentially seeking to influence content is very much something that a topic ban should be preventing. EdChem (talk) 11:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Further thoughts... I agree with Mastcell and others that this situation is more serious than is reflected in the AE-authorised actions. I think a discussion is needed where the AE-allowed actions are considered, but not as the only options. I ask that no one take action and close this report before consideration is given to moving the discussion to ARCA or AN. ArbCom could re-impose the site ban or tailor other restrictions which it sees as a fit response to canvassing / lobbying via email near to / in the R&I area. Alternatively, the community could ban or place restrictions in line with consensus. A discussion lacking consensus would not preclude an AE action, but if a site ban is seen by others as a reasonable response then CO should have the opportunity to participate in the discussion. EdChem (talk) 05:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Everymorning

I also have received numerous emails from Captain Occam recently regarding intelligence, most of which I have replied to myself. The gist of these emails (the first of which I received on March 15) was that Captain Occam wanted me to start a task force of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Psychology dedicated to intelligence, which I thought was a good idea; as a result, I created Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Psychology/Psychometrics task force. As it happens, the issue of whether Captain Occam might be violating his topic ban in doing any of this was raised by me in an email I sent him in which I wrote "Not that you can join anyway of course since youve been topic banned." to which he replied, "I'm allowed to edit pages that are about human intelligence in general, I just can't edit them if they're about race differences. I probably will be joining the psychometrics task force eventually, but I'll have to limit my involvement to aspects of the task force that aren't covered by my topic ban." In short, I was aware he had been topic banned from race/intelligence but also thought he was avoiding such topics to the extent that it was necessary to avoid violating his topic ban. Every morning (there's a halo...) 13:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@MastCell: So to clarify, you think he has been pushing the envelope on what is and isn't covered under his topic ban, and that's counter to Misplaced Pages's goals? (Disclosure: I am the other editor, in addition to Captain Occam and Deleet, who was/is collaborating on the aforementioned task force.) Certainly, insofar as his ban was "broadly construed" with regard to race/intelligence, this kind of sneakiness seems unacceptable. Every morning (there's a halo...) 00:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I would also like to add that I created the task force that Captain Occam suggested I create because I thought it would be a good idea to keep articles related to intelligence up to date, well-written, and reliably sourced. I certainly did not want to push any particular viewpoint, nor did I have any desire to help Captain Occam or anyone else push a hereditarian viewpoint on these issues in any way. I myself disagree with many arguments regarding the purported genetic factors that underlie racial differences in intelligence, and the concept of a fixed intelligence that cannot be changed by environmental factors, so I don't want bogus hereditarian views to be spread. Every morning (there's a halo...) 04:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by rvcx

Despite not editing in close to a decade, I also received an email from Captain Occam asking me to "help improve Misplaced Pages's articles related to personality and intelligence". I've given up trying to understand WP's rules, but going off-wiki to recruit a strike force to outnumber people you disagree with seems more than a little shady, even if the target weren't an area you were banned from. This isn't the first time Captain Occam has asked me off-wiki to publicly support him on the pretence that it was my own independent idea. Rvcx (talk) 14:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Isn't secret mass-recruitment of (only) like-minded editors a blatant violation of WP:CAN? Rvcx (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by RegentsPark

Attempting to influence the on-wiki editing in an area from which they are banned should be construed as a violation of that ban. Whether that influence was applied on-wiki or off-wiki. Also, doesn't "broadly construed" mean no edits on race AND no edits in the area of intelligence? --regentspark (comment) 15:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I also submit that Captain Occam is clearly violating the topic ban in the AE report. None of the following statements are necessary in defense of his email and all of them indicate an inordinate interest in R&I: sent Beyond My Ken e-mail a few hours ago expressing concern about him showing what appears to be a WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude, I e-mailed BMK because I was concerned about his behavior towards user:Deleet,, It will be a loss for Deleet's and my collaboration if Deleet eventually quits Misplaced Pages out of frustration, which is something I've seen happen to other editors as a consequences of their bad experiences on R&I articles, However, it's happened in the past that the toxic editing environment on those articles has spilled over into other areas,, and then there is the whole task force thing. Sorry, but applying Occam's (the original, not the captain) razor, it is obvious that the Captain is only interested in R&I topics and will keep nibbling at the boundaries if allowed to stay on Wiki. BMK has the right solution, restore the indef ban. --regentspark (comment) 19:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Result concerning Captain Occam

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• I'm still looking into the on-wiki aspects of this, but I don't think we would normally issue on-wiki sanctions over this use of email. @Captain Occam: WP:BANEX allows you to make statements here that would normally be tban violations so long as they are discussing your ban and not simply carrying on a dispute in a new forum. GoldenRing (talk) 07:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• @Beyond My Ken: While it is true that there some limits placed on editors' use of email, the relevant part of the banning policy has this to say about topic bans: Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic. As far as I can see, that doesn't cover email and so considering use of email a tban violation would go against that policy, unless the terms of the ban explicitly extend to email. Without reposting its content on-wiki, was the content of this email so offensive? I haven't signed the WMF's official secrets act privacy policy so I don't think sending it on to me would be the right thing. If the content of this email is itself seriously problematic then I'd suggest sending it on to arbcom-l. If the problem with it is just that you don't want to be contacted by this user, I could probably extend their topic ban to include the wikipedia email function (though actually I'm slightly uncertain of policy on this point) - but what would be the point when you can just block them from doing so with far less paperwork and no recourse for appeal? GoldenRing (talk) 08:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
• As for the actual edit underlying all this, one editor has started a discussion at the article talk page and anyone interested in resolving the question (and who isn't subject to a relevant ban) should contribute there. I don't see the content, whichever version we end up with, as something that rises to the level of requiring AE intervention and it should be settled by consensus in the normal way. GoldenRing (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• @Beyond My Ken: Now that you know that Misplaced Pages:Emailing users#Prohibiting email from specified users exists (I didn't know it either), what about you use this function and we close this request? Since there does not seem to be on-wiki misconduct, I'm not sure whether we really need to resolve the question whether WP:TBAN includes Misplaced Pages e-mail. Sandstein 07:45, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• @Maunus: You allege that "Captain Occam is editing in the area of psychometrics" and that "Captian Occam has clearly and knowlingly violated his topic ban (...) in his collaboration with Deleet on a 'psychometrics task force'". Please promptly provide diffs supporting these allegations. Sandstein 10:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
• I would take no action here. There is nothing in the evidence supplied by Beyond My Ken to confirm that there is even an arbitral race and intelligence topic ban applying to Captain Occam that could be enforced here. As regards the e-mails, I consider it uncertain as to whether topic bans apply to such actions, and will initiate a RfC to clarify that. As to Maunus's contributions, they do not supply diffs even after being asked to, and moreover editing in the field of psychometrics in and of itself would likely not be within the scope of a race and intelligence topic ban (depending on its wording, if such a topic ban exists), unless the aspect of race is also involved. Sandstein 10:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• EdChem, thanks for the link confirming that Captain Occam is indeed subject to an ArbCom ban from "the race and intelligence topic area, broadly construed". I still haven't seen any diffs violating this ban, though, and therefore confirm that I would take no action here. Sandstein 11:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Based on this diff of 5 March 2018 provided by Maunus I now consider the request actionable. The issue of the "heritability of psychological traits" is certainly part of the "race and intelligence topic area, broadly construed". While the other edits about psychometrics and the e-mails (probably) do not directly violate the topic ban, they do convey the impression that this was not a momentary lapse and that Captain Occam has not disengaged as completely from the topic area as they were directed to. Based on Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Standard provision: enforcement of restrictions, I am of the view that an (initial) one-month enforcement block is appropriate. Sandstein 12:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• Captain Occam, the Committee's topic area definition as "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed" you refer to was made in 2011 to describe the topic area to which discretionary sanctions apply. It does not apply to your newer topic ban of 2017 which the Committee described as applying to "the race and intelligence topic area, broadly construed". That is the controlling wording. Sandstein 12:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that that diff is a violation of the ban, but I don't think one diff justifies the maximum initial ban allowed; might I suggest 1 week? GoldenRing (talk) 13:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I believe that a month is appropriate because the topic ban was imposed in lieu of a full site ban, and because the apparent canvassing of presumably sympathetic editors indicates that this is part of a pattern of conduct intended to test or subvert the topic ban, rather than a solitary mistake. – The comparison Captain Occam makes with sanctions applying to another editor appears far-fetched and I do not think that it is informative for this case. Any misunderstanding by Captain Occam of the clearly defined terms of their topic ban is also immaterial. Sandstein 15:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with most of that, however it's fifteen months after they were unbanned and they've at least managed to stay unblocked for that time and done some productive-looking editing. IMO the maximum sentence should be reserved for the most egregious cases and I don't think this is one of them. It's also not the most trivial of cases, but I think somewhere in the middle. GoldenRing (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Eh, actually, reading Rcvx's comment above maybe you're right. GoldenRing (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• On the noticeboard I've already instructed Captain Occam not to e-mail Beyond My Ken again, and Captain Occam has said he will comply. Newyorkbrad (talk) 08:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @Maunus: As a minor clarification, the decision-makers here on AE are uninvolved administrators who choose to participate here, not the arbitrators. (I commented individually here just as a cross-reference to my intervention on the noticeboard that resolved one aspect of the matter.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
• I agree with a month block. This is a clear violation. Spartaz 20:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
• A month-long block seems like an exceedingly generous and forgiving response to what is, essentially, a clear demonstration that Captain Occam is not and has not been respecting the basic conditions under which his siteban was lifted. The intent of his current topic ban is that he leave the topic area alone. As we often see on this noticeboard, he's instead nibbling around the edges and testing the boundaries of what he can get away with. His email to BMK was an obvious effort to influence the topic area—and thus an obvious topic-ban violation. It seems that he's also organizing a "psychometrics" task force, which looks to be a collaboration between Occam and an editor who participates in secret eugenics conferences. If you believe his goal in doing so has nothing to do with influencing our coverage of race and intelligence, then I envy your naivete. There really aren't any words to describe how inappropriate, and how counter to this site's mission and policies, these activities are. I'd advocate a restoration of his site ban with revocation of email privileges; there are only so many "last chances" you can give a person before you recognize them for what they are. MastCell  00:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
• I'm with MastCell on this, a one month block seems far too lenient as this doesn't appear to be a sequential one-off violation. While I'm sympathetic to MastCell's suggestion of restoring the site ban, that's not something this board can do -- has to be via the community or Arbcom directly. However, if it is technically feasible, then I would definitely recommend removing email privileges altogether as long as the user is here as it appears that it is being abused to either canvas or bludgeon, and to no real good purpose. (I just checked on my sock account and it appears that it's not possible, unless someone more technically savvy than I can come up with a solution.) I would definitely suggest a longer block with email disabled, but if there's no consensus for a longer block then I'm ok with a one month block but with email access revoked. —SpacemanSpiff 03:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• My understanding of the enforcement provision linked to above is that a month-long block is the maximum we are allowed to impose for a first violation of the topic ban. Sandstein 03:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• That was my understanding too, but there is precedent to have the first part of a block as an AE action and the remainder as ordinary admin activity. If we went own this road any appeal would have to be dealt with by the committee as there is non-public information involved. I can get behind that as the behaviour really us quite egregious. Spartaz 06:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• By the strict terms of the banning policy, a topic ban only extends to "edits" and not email. (This seems to me an obvious oversight that should be changed, because the whole point of a topic ban is to exclude the user from the topic area.) But leaving that aside, Captain Occam's actions show that he's not here to build an encyclopedia. His second, taunting email to BMK persuades me that we should reinstate Captain Occam's siteban, per MastCell. Neutrality 04:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
• While the strictest reading of discretionary sanctions doesn't technically include use of Misplaced Pages email, I would still say that use of that system to intimidate other editors is a clear case of unacceptable harassment and skirting the edges of a ban. I'm minded to just flat indef Captain Occam as a standard admin action, and unless someone shortly has a very good reason not to do so, I will be doing that. Seraphimblade 10:55, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
• I agree entirely with MastCell and others and recommend an indefinite block. I note we can't call it a siteban, per Spaceman above, but indefinite will do as well. (It would then not be for a first infraction of the topic ban, User:Sandstein, but per NOTHERE. I'm sure a group of admins can do that — indeed, any one admin can.) Captain Occam states above: "I e-mailed BMK because I was concerned about his behavior towards user:Deleet, who is currently helping me with a separate on-Wiki project related to the measurement of personality and intelligence in general (but not to the R&I topic). It will be a loss for Deleet's and my collaboration if Deleet eventually quits Misplaced Pages out of frustration, which is something I've seen happen to other editors as a consequences of their bad experiences on R&I articles." Is "psychometrics" not related to R&I? That sounds dubious to say the least. As for Deleet (who is Emil Kirkegaard, see his userpage), I don't see it as a great loss to Misplaced Pages if a neo-nazi editor quits as a consequence of their bad experiences on R&I articles. Admins can see our article Emil Kirkegaard, which was deleted in January 2018, and MastCell links to a Guardian piece above. But please also see this, scroll down to the selfie of Kirkegaard in front of a nazi salute, and note the two short paragraphs just above the photo. Emil Kirkegaard is to be sure not the subject here, and I'm not saying Captain Occam is responsible for him, but Captain Occam's concern lest Deleet is driven off by BMK's "behavior" leaves me cold. Bishonen | talk 11:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC).

Nishidani

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Request concerning Nishidani

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No More Mr Nice Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:19, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Nishidani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles, specifically Decorum and Editors reminded.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 20:50, 31 March 2018 Personal attacks, see below
2. 22:33, 31 March 2018 Personal attacks, see below

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 12 May 2009 Indef topic banned in the first Arbcom PIA ruling.
2. ...Dozens of visits to this board...
3. 7 Oct 2016 Warned about incivility
4. 1 June 2017 Topic banned for one month due to personal attacks

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• Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
• Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
• Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict. See above.
• Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months. See above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Nishidani received an indef topic ban in the first Arbcom PIA ruling for "repeated and extensive edit-warring, as well as incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith". A couple of years later the topic ban was lifted, under the assumption future such behavior will be dealt with on this board. See . Since then he has been reported here literally dozens of times for the exact same behavior.

In the first diff above, he tells an editor he is "spout nonsense" which is a clear personal attack. He then goes on to say that the other editor is a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" by a "elephantine wastrel sponger", based solely on the other editor's nationality, personalizing their dispute. By the way, does BLP apply to editors? If yes I'd say calling someone the beneficiary of misappropriated funds is probably a BLP violation as well.

In the second diff he says an editor has a "conflict of interest" because of his nationality, and he can't judge if the other editor is acting neutrally based on this alleged conflict of interest and then goes on to say that Zionism is "all about" "Israel's right to be uniquely exempt from standard norms or judgements" as the motivation for other editors' arguments.

A longer topic ban than last time (less than a year ago) seem to be appropriate.

@Bishonen, that's an interesting interpretation. So who do you think he was referring to as "beneficiaries" "playing the meme" "before audiences that acrually study the facts" in this context? Who are the "audiences that study the facts" in the context of him explaining what "the facts" are? It's pretty obvious he was taking a dig at the Israeli editor he was discussing with because of his interlocutor's nationality. Is that allowed?
Ynhockey was not acting as an admin, so whether he's supposed to be a tender blossom or not is irrelevant. No comment on what "Zionism is all about" after identifying two opposing editors by their Israeli nationality? Perhaps you don't hear the dog-whistles because you don't know much about this topic area, as you said.

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Discussion concerning Nishidani

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Statement by Nishidani

Statement by Dan Murphy

Anyone who writes the following is spouting nonsense.

"Well, Debka is no less biased than the so-called "Euro-Mediterranean Human Right Monitor", but much more reliable and serious. Everything published by Debka is fully investigated, and many times they had no problem criticizing Israel's military and intelligence establishment. Nevertheless, I'm sure we can find reliable secondary sources (such as normal newspapers) to support at least some of their findings.--יניב הורון (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)"

Debka is a propaganda operation of the Israeli far right and has a long track record of publishing falsehoods, fabrications and laughably transparent spin.Dan Murphy (talk) 18:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Huldra

That anyone is trying to use Debkafile as "The Truth", is simply....extremely embarrassing. I recall how Debkafile "proved" -with 100 % certainty- that Saddam Hussein had various WMD. Frankly, editors who use sources as that really should stay far, far away from the I/P area. Huldra (talk) 20:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Here is Debkafile, as late as 2008, still claiming that WMD existed in Iraq and had "been spirited out of the country to neighboring Syria shortly before American forces landed in Iraq." Seriously......Huldra (talk) 21:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Sir Joseph

Nishidani has been warned time and time again that his uncivil posts are not tolerated here, yet he continues. He makes a statement about an admin, and others merely for being pro-Israel, or Israeli or whatever, as if that means they can't edit here, yet does he do the same for admin Zero? There are plenty of people on "his side" of the debate that edit in a polite and civil manner. We don't need someone stoking the flames with almost all of their posts in the area. He has also been warned that his behavior needs to stop and I do think action should be taken. Sir Joseph 02:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

"An Israeli editor with an administrative role is held to higher stanbdards, because admins should avoid any mere suggestion that they are not neutral." This alone warrants some sort of action. It has no place on Misplaced Pages. Sir Joseph 03:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I would read the archives of prior AE actions, especially the comments by GoldenRing and The Wordsmith. The civil issue is something that is routinely mentioned and needs to be addressed. In this area especially, civility is not just one of the five pillars but an actionable item.

Result concerning Nishidani

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• Those are pretty aggressive posts by Nishidani, but I can't see that they're personal attacks. "Spouting nonsense" is not; it's if anything an attack on the comment by the user he's replying to (User:יניב הורון), a retort to it, utilising the same wording as יניב הורון did, which was also aggressive. If you will, יניב הורון's post was an attack on Hamas, Nishidani's was a responsive attack on Israel. I don't see it as personal. No More Mr Nice Guy's conclusion that Nishidani is specifically calling the other editor a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" is a far reach IMO. It's technically possible to tease that out of the diff, but it's unconvincing for all that. The second diff, with Nishidani's statement that Ynhockey has a conflict of interest, is more concerning IMO. OTOH, Ynhockey is an admin, Nishidani was speaking to/of them as an admin, and discussing their editing in relation to their adminship. This comes out particularly in Nishidani's next post, which No More Mr Nice Guy has not linked to above: An Israeli editor is like anyone else. An Israeli editor with an administrative role is held to higher standards, because admins should avoid any mere suggestion that they are not neutral. No More Mr Nice Guy's account of the conflict of interest accusation seems a little simplified. Anyway, admins aren't supposed to be tender blossoms, that kind of thing is all in the day's work for them. And Ynhockey seems to live up to my idea of admins; they have been back to the page later, but have ignored the conflict of interest thing. Good idea, cool admin.

I'm coming to this from a position of ignorance, possibly to the point of naivety: I don't edit in the area, I don't study it, I don't know much about it. But of course even I know it's one of the world's hottest troublespots, which is reflected in the heat generated in articles like 2018 Land Day incidents and their talkpages. I don't like to see what looks like people going over these talkpages with a magnifying glass looking for personal attacks. I don't mean to offend you, No More Mr Nice Guy; I don't mean you actually did that; just that the effect looks like it. I assure you I'd say the same if similar thinly supported accusations were levelled at someone on the other side of the conflict. Bishonen | talk 19:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC).

• No action warranted based on currently provided diffs. --NeilN 20:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)