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Reduced precence

Real life takes priority. Will be online less for about 3 months or more. Please be kind to each other, bye. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:30, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

No reliable internet access for a while. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 13:31, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

The odd thing is not the lack of reliable internet currently, it's seeing people (though few) in kilts, for no other reason than it is their daily wear. In a queue behind a man in a Stewart kilt just yesterday, not in Kansas anymore. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 03:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Will be so happy to get back to regular internet service, even though it is beautiful outside, to step out is to go into a deep freeze with a biting wind that only the dog seem not to care. Hope to be back sooner than later. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 00:40, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

The old ones would say in Gaelic, "It was so windy it would blow the horns off a rams.", but nowadays it blows out the power and the internet. Thankfully, both just came back on before it was set to get really cold. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 11:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Restoring a challenged edit

Uhm, CW - our DS state: must not reinstate any challenged (via reversion) edits without obtaining consensus on the talk page of this article, so what was this? 23:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

If there is a challenge, then consensus is first made on TP before changing the text. To make major changes without consensus, is vandalism of the article and should be undone, User:Atsme, this is only proper to return the article to it's most stable condition. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Apparently that only applies to long standing content, not new content. Did you ever give any further thought to creating a collapsable TP banner (a template?) where we can list consensus results? I see where there is a notice about reviewing consensus 1st at the bottom of the article edit view DS warning: Please review current established consensus before editing this article, especially the lead section. Changes against established consensus without prior discussion can be reverted on sight and such reverts are not limited by WP:1RR restrictions. What we don't have is an organized list of RfC and local consensus results. Do you know how to make TP banner templates? 02:29, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Those are good questions to bring up at the Teahouse as my technical skills are terrible (research and history, being my subjects), they are more able to help. As to the revert, on any article, if there is a conflict of thought; the article is returned to the most stable version and consensus is sought on the TP. If I had not done it, then an Admin would have done the exact thing. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 02:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I'll take it to VP Tech and see what comes up. It's Friday night, so I'll probably wait until after the weekend. Thanks! 02:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Confederate flag

Go ahead. I put in that when Trump arrived at some destination, I forget which, there was someone waving a Confederate flag. Got taken right out. deisenbe (talk) 01:16, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Lynching

Please add them. There are hundreds more. Category:Lynching deaths in the United States by state deisenbe (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• Sorry but add them where? What order is this list in? It's not by state or date or ???? I can't figure out where things should go. My I suggest that the list be reorgainised by state and then by date with a table at the top of the article for quick access? I'm not very good at layouts, so I fear I would only make a mess of it. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 21:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018

I don't understand? What did I do to violate the TBAN? I did not post on the Patriot Prayer pages, nor mention them anywhere on Wiki? @Cyberpower678: Please explain my mistake specifically so I do not make such an error again, thanks. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

You just edited the talk page of a political activist who manages Patriot Prayer. In your edit you explicitly mentioned them. That’s is also a no-no.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 22:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

This one I'm guessing. Arkon (talk) 22:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me quoting 'directly from the article' My mistake that the quote mentioned PP, I only meant to include the first part about his wife. Arkon,User:Cyberpower678 Could someone please delete that part about PP from the Talk Page, I would be most appreciative of it. Thanks and I'm so sorry, that was not my intention - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

If it is not removed, I will do so as soon as I'm able and sorry cause you more work. I messed that one up when I added the quote but forgot to delete the PP part, sorry again. - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:36, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

• @MB298: You will have to do it for me, if you don't mind. I mentioned PP by accident in quoting the article so I violated my TBAN, my mistake. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Now you also know why I've been shy to edit the page directly. I think the information in that article will help to fill in Joey's personal life section so there is more than just one sentence, but I don't think it will be done by me, thanks. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

• Cyber asked me for a second opinion as a neutral admin on the English Misplaced Pages admins IRC channel, so I'm commenting because of that. Looking at your block log, you've had plenty of interaction with the Misplaced Pages community based sanctions system: you know how they work. You know admins construe them broadly. You have been given second chances in the past on IBAN violations. You then directly mention a topic you have been banned from on the page of a leader of the organization, where the infobox has a picture of him wearing a Patriot Prayer tshirt and says he is known for the organization. Additionally, the name "Patriot Prayer" is mentioned 7 times in the article itself (not counting the references) and his involvement with that group is clearly the focus of the article to the point where I would argue quite strongly that any edit to the page itself is a violation of your topic ban. You made this edit in the article space today as well. The reference you were moving around includes in it's first sentence Violence, of one kind or another, tends to follow Joey Gibson, a Maria Cantwell opponent and leader of the controversial Patriot Prayer group.Given your previous block log, I think a block is justified here. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
• TonyBallioni, I take full responsibility for my mistake about quoting from a news article. It was my error for not editing that portion out of the quote. I have not questioned the 2wk block, but accept it. However, it I had information on that article that had nothing to do with the are of the TBAN, it had to do with Joey's person life and past to help fill in that very bare section. Cyber was fully within his rights to do what he did, though I wish I had had a chance it correct it before the block went into effect, no matter. As soon as I am able, I will reverse my error on the Talk Page and sorry to take up your time over my mistake. - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay. Not a problem. I was just offering a second opinion as an uninvolved administrator regarding the block. Please be more careful in the future. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, and the worst part of this mistake is that I was in the process of putting in a request to ask for the TBAN to be lifted, this will set that back by months. It was a mistake and a very stupid on at that. Sorry, but I only intended to get information out there for other editors to help fill in and step back from the article. I edit to article was only 'spacing' as I combined the last sentence into the paragraph above so it read better about his Senatorial campaign. I had no intention of doing major edits to the page or to mention Joey's group. Sorry again, my mistake - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Topic ban amended and clarified

Per the ANI discussion, your topic ban has been amended as follows.

C.W.Gilmore is banned from making any edit relating to the topic Patriot Prayer, in any namespace.

—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: That edit does not seem to violate this? I do not understand - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

So sorry, that was a mistake and I missed it. I only meant to give personal background on Joey and I only meant to include quote about his wife, but I did not delete the rest. Sorry again and I except full responsibility for my mistake, it was unintended. My first actions will be to remove that part of the quote, when able. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:33, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I was focused on the details of his recovery from crime and homelessness and as a side wanted to add that detail about his wife's name, I did not even see the PP part. It is totally my fault and should have been more careful, sorry again for this mistake and any trouble it may have caused. I will fix this blatant violation once I can edit again and I really can't say sorry enough. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 00:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

• I do have one question, is this being done as punishment or as deterrent? - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

  When it comes to sanction blocks, the line between that blurs. It sort of becomes a little of both, but primarily it's because the community found your overall behavior regarding Patriot Prayer to be disruptive as to why you should stay away from the topic. So the block is in a sense a community backed block based on previous disruptive behavior as assessed by the community. I recommend filing an unblock request to have another admin look at this as I've blocked and unblocked you plenty of times already.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 22:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Then User:Cyberpower678, may I ask that next time you please give me a chance to fix my mistake before blocking me. This was an error and though blatant, it was not intended. Sorry for my mistake and think about allowing someone to fix an honest error before bringing down the hammer. Thanks and sorry again for the trouble. - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 22:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Unblocked

I've conferred with other admins, and we all agree that you should be unblocked, and sternly reminded that while the mistake was honest, making it too many times reflects badly, so be careful in the future until your TBAN is rescinded.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 22:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I also want to comment here and commend you on your civil replies in response to the block and your willingness to apologize and accept responsibility for your actions. This, underneath it all, is the kind of behavior that we should see from someone whose genuinely working on improving their behavior and who really wants to be part of the community and learn from their mistakes. I want you to know that it didn't go unnoticed and I encourage you to keep it up :-) ~Oshwah~ 22:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

My goal is to have the TBAN lifted and my stupid mistake did not help, sorry I didn't catch it. I have already corrected this error and trying hard not to make waves but to work collaboratively to improve wiki as my only focus. Sorry again. - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 23:03, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Out of curiosity...

How did you notice my discussion(s) on TB's talk page. Since I got so many random responses from other editors who were apparently his talk page watchers, I assumed you were more of the same, but you don't seem to have ever edited that page until just now. Combined with this cryptic message you left on my talk page a few months back ... well, it honestly kinda weirds me out. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)