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Planned languages

Hello PJacobi, I got your message.

However, at first I didn't know from whom it was. Please sign your messages on my talk page with four tildes ~~~~, which automatically adds a signature and a timestamp. Thanks! -- pne 13:14, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

ISO 8859-17

I've been tempted to put ISO 8859-17 on VfD, as I don't get it, to have an article about a non-existing entity, which more or less only states, it doesn't exist. If you think that ISO 8859-17 should be kept, can you please clarify the intent of the article? See also the discussion at Featured_article_candidates#ISO_8859. Pjacobi 20:39, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Go ahead. I don't see the damage done by leaving the article in place (Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is not paper), but it can be safely removed. As can be ISO 8859-12 of course. — Jor (Talk) 09:05, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What Color

Woot! Thanks loads for posting the link to WhatColor on Village Pump. I'd looked for such a tool years ago. Now I won't be such an embarassment any more! *grins* - UtherSRG 16:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Now, if we only would get a Real Life version of this! Imagine not needing to ask what color the shirt is, you are about to buy. Pjacobi 17:48, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Amen, brother! - UtherSRG 03:04, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Categorization

'Fictional' already contains 'Fictional universes', which contains 'Harry Potter', which contains 'Harry Potter locations'. (Alternately, 'Fictional' contains 'Fictional locations' which contains 'Harry Potter locations'.) Thus, 'Hogwarts' was already in Fictional. If we included every cateegory in the tree under which an article eventually appears, we'd have huge and unwieldy category sections---not to mention unusably dense category pages. Please only include the most specific categories into which an article fits. grendel|khan 15:33, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

I agree with you, theoretically. But I've checked the situation and it didn't work out in this way. The categories created by the authors of the Fictional articles tend to have non-fictional items included. Like real books, films, actors etc. I'd prefer to have all strictly fictional items and characters in a separate namespace, but it was already decided against this solution. So a category giving the same distinction is the next best solution. When category support improves by enabling boolean category queries, it will become possible to return only non-fictional results from queries by specifying "AND NOT Category:Fictional". Pjacobi 15:42, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, you can do that already with Category:Fiction. (One performs a traversal of the graph under the root category.) You're creating a huge, flat, useless category. If this were done for Category:World War II, we'd have over fifteen hundred articles in it, and the category would cease to be human-readable. This has been discussed over at Misplaced Pages:Categorization#General_naming_conventions. It pollutes the namespace. Please stop. grendel|khan 15:50, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

Is this a personal advise or annnouncement of upcoming sanctions? Anyway, I'll stop for now, but I don't agree. Any advanced, complicated scheme cannot hold pace with rate of Fictional articles added. And yes, Category:Fictional is flat, potentially huge, but not useless. It's single use. Pjacobi 15:57, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

And Category:Fiction is already broken: it includes many things existing in Real Life, not Fictional. For example: Crime writer, Category:Christmas fiction, Thriller. -- Pjacobi 16:00, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Pjacobi, I don't believe Grendelkhan was threatening you (if he was, I hope he'll apologize). I do sense some frustration in his words, I grant you. I'm afraid he's right, though -- Category:Fictional violates our category conventions in two ways, that I can see. It is far too broad for the articles being placed in it, and it is an adjective -- as I recall, categories are supposed to be nouns (Fiction, Biology, etc.). Now, I find categories ridiculous and inconsistent, but I think a change as sweeping as the one you're proposing would need a great deal of discussion and consensus before it's applied sitewide. And that's only personal advice, I promise you! :-) I'm glad you're willing to "stop for now", and I hope you will discuss your proposal at Misplaced Pages talk:Categorization and announce that discussion on the Village pump -- that way everyone gets to consider your idea, which may well have merit. But if it has merit, we need to be agreed that it does, else someone will inevitably end up following you around reverting edits, which will frustrate everyone. Sorry for poking my nose in, but I thought you might like a 3rd opinion. If not, please excuse my intrusion. Jwrosenzweig 16:02, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have to agree here. A single large category containing every article on a subject is simply unworkable. If you think there's a problem with an existing category, it should be brought up on that category's talk page so a consensus can be formed. —Kate | Talk 16:08, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

• • • I copied this discussion to Category talk:Fictional. I'll bring my problems with Category:Fiction to Category talk:Fiction -- Pjacobi 16:13, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Random

I saw your random page, and I thought I'd ask...you don't still have the list, do you? I'd like to know how many stubs are in it, and how many are featured caliber. If not, I can generate my own, but if you have a copy, that'd be great. Best, ] 22:02, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)

Sorry this run was somewhat chaotic and I didn't gather all the information which I should have. In the beginning I didn't look for Stubs, as I thought they are under control by the category system. Later I realized quite a number of unclassified stubs and even marked about four as {{substub}}. To have judgement about the featured status would have needed more time to look at the individual articles. But to give an estime, about 30..40 articles, half of them biographies, would have needed further evaluation. All others were just to short or list-like. Pjacobi 22:13, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That's OK. I'm building a list myself, and I'll make sure to record what's on it for posterity. Best wishes, ] 22:15, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)

Vacuum propeller

Hi - Certainly against anything sensationalist :) Simply thought that this was a nice catch phrase someone might try to look up, like solar sail or warp drive. A lot of those concepts first appear in sci-fi literature (because authors do not dare to publish them elsewhere?). As the article wasn't kept, I think your suggestion "So, at Casimir effect, a carefully NPOVed statement about the hypothetical Vacuum Propeller may be added" should come into play, but unfortunately I'm not the person to write this (with almost no knowledge of QED)... --Palapala 05:51, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)

Rune confusion

I did see your comment at Talk:Runic alphabet about creating a sepaarte Rune article, realted to Norse mythology, if I got this right. Does this in any way relates to the double existance of Runic alphabet and Runic script? I would like to merge these articles, but perhaps I should wait, if you want to extract something to the new Rune article. Pjacobi 15:00, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I had a think about this and will probably disambiguate the particular and specific sense of the word rune that I need to deal with by doing an article with a title like Rune (Norse mythology) which will allow me to maintain a relationship to the written futhark etc, whilst drawing some very clear distinctions. a propos the schism in these alphabet/script articles, I think you are right, they very properly should be merged somehow. You might also like to think about looking at futhark while you are about it... Sjc 09:53, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

PS, forget that last bit, someone merged it with a redirect. Sjc 09:54, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yeshu article

Hi Pjacobi

Are you still interested in the article on Yeshu? Jayjg 14:52, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't know enough to compete in the battle. I'm still having the vague feeling, that Zestauferov has some valid point, but can't put valid arguments behind this. Pjacobi 15:50, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Formatting

Moved to: User talk:Pjacobi/Formatting]

I'm fine to discuss this topic.

And for a first quick answer: Try print your tables. No borders. Is this as intended? Pjacobi 18:26, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re:Tamil language

I reverted the anon because the IP was vandalizing a number of other pages and I saw that s/he had been reverted twice before at Tamil language. I have close to no knowledge on the subject so please don't take my revert in any way authoritative. If you think the anon was right, then please feel free to revert me. Cheers, Jiang 10:21, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the caste correction

I can not believe that it took so long before this was corrected. Vielen Dank. Andries 18:16, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Occupation of Palestine

Occupation of Palestine Please see my question at Misplaced Pages:Votes_for_deletion/Occupation_of_Palestine#Tally: Rephrasing the question -- Jmabel 01:27, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Grantha

Finally I've found a Wikipedian who will solve this problem in no time, I hope. Can you have a look at Grantha and Talk:Grantha? Thanks in advance, Pjacobi 10:22, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Though I am not an expert with scripts as such, I can see POV in the said article. Will try to learn more and attempt to neutralise the POV. -- Sundar 10:45, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Obsolete Greek Characters

Thanks for the quick response. The test characters don't show on my browser. Either browser deficiency or lack of right font, probably the latter.

I'll take your tip, go on the page you suggested and see what happens. If I still can't see them on the browser, I'll look for a printed or web Greek dictionary which features the obsolete characters, so I'll know what they look like. Since the characters are no longer in use, and I'm not a student of the early forms of the Greek language, my interest in those characters is purely a matter of transient curiosity. The original reason was that I thought that I'd forgotten some characters from the expected Greek alphabet.

Thanks once again for the speedy response. Gives me the feeling of being among friends who care for newcomers!

Cosmo 12:27, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

beta Systemic Bias section

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missing quotation mark

Hi Peter, I like your quote about the Axiom of Choice :-)

It's missing an opening quotation mark, though. (It begins with two single quotes for italics and ends with a double quote.) Fpahl 13:08, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this! -- Pjacobi 13:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome; thanks for the explanation at Talk:Horizon problem! Fpahl 16:58, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hail

Good to see you passing through and giving us in Talk:Evolution your words of wisdom.  :) I am writing to you here because my voice is already too prominent on that page, so I will not respond there. I thought you came up with a brilliant compromise sentence--even though nobody but me saw it that way. And I would also say with you that I think creationism is a belief. But, in my opinion, the creationists, and similars, have let themselves be beaten too easily from saying what they know in common English to be true--something like that their belief is a real "theory"--what to a non-scientist is an explanation that makes sense out of the facts--and of course they believe the explanation because it makes sense--but that is not what the perpetrators of "Creationism is the belief that ..." meant by "belief" when they denied the use of the word "theory"--and sometimes the creationists realize that scientists mean something very insulting by "belief" compared with "theory." Enough meddling. But hail to thee, in passing. ---Rednblu 10:47, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I hope, you're watching this page, as I hate back-and-forth discussions on two user talk pages. I must admit that I didn't read through the entiere agonizingly long archives of past discussion on Creationism, so I'm not really fit to judge the participants. But in the last round of debates, it seems you have reached the stage of elastic replies. The more you'll argue your position, and rather independent on your arguments, the more opposition it gets. Perhaps I'm too much defaetist here, but going away from a discussion and looking back into the issue after six weeks is often the best choice.

I for myself, won't argue much more on Creationism, it's essentially an U.S. problem and I cannot judge the subtle points thereof.

Pjacobi 19:20, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yep. Fare thee well, blythe spirit. ---Rednblu 19:39, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Response to your comment to Felonious Monk

My account is not a sockpuppet. Making unsupport allegations is not in the spirit of wikipedia. --FeloniousMonk 18:35, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I replied at your talk page. Let me repeat, that no offense was intended. -- Pjacobi 18:52, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

On Abjad (external link)

Dear Pjacobi:

it is an introduction on how the history of abjad develops, the article tracks the Arabic / Farsi lineage of Abjad and it discusses how Arabic Abjad is devided into 9 powers. the tool of analysis is numogram which is another kabbalistic / Abjad form of tree of life. other topics of discissions in that article about Abjad is why Arabic Abjad in an exception connection of numerology and especially Abjad with Philosophy of Deleuze and Gauttari's numeracy or numbering numbers in the wake of numerous occult and numerology stuff on War on Terror on the net, the article depicts why Kaballah and Abjad are used frequently. the article is not mine but i thought it is a good text to show how Abjad has developed systematically and enters occult and philosophy.

Tamil for "fox"

Would you be so kind to give me the Tamil translation of "fox"? I tried the U of Köln Online Dictionary, but it gave me 25 different results and I cannot judge, which one would be the most common or best matching word. --Pjacobi 17:06, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Tamil equivalent for fox is nari(நரி) The first syllable is pronounced as the nu in null and the second syllable is pronounced as in ribbon -- Sundar 05:25, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks fo your kind help! --Pjacobi 08:40, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Umlaut / Trema

Good catch. I knew it, but apparently typed it wrong. Anárion 13:25, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Tamil Misplaced Pages Main page

I've replied you in my talk page. -- Sundar 06:28, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

Pali

hallo Peter -- ich kenn mich leider mit Pali nicht aus. Aber

• der kopierte Paragraph ist sowieso copyvio, und kann erstmal entfernt werden
• der payer.de - Artikel sieht ja sehr serioes aus, und es sollte reichen, die Bedenken, die dort gegen die Gleichsetzung angefuehrt werden, in den Artikel zu uebernehmen.

Gruss, dab 08:36, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unicode fonts for the Runic alphabet

• Halló Pjacobi, siehe bitte Talk:Runic alphabet#Unicode zu "Unicode fonts for the Runic alphabet". Danke! Gruß Gangleri | Th | T 18:10, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

Venpa

Please have a look at Venpa, largely edited by me. If and only if you feel appropriate, add a reference to our paper whose citation I've given below. (I don't want to do it myself, because on the one hand I feel it's appropriate and on the other I feel it may qualify to be pure self-promotion.)

L BalaSundaraRaman, Ishwar S, Sanjeeth Kumar Ravindranath. Context-free grammar for natural language constructs - An implementation for Venpa class of Tamil poetry. Tamil Internet Conference, Chennai, India, 2003. You can link it to the conference proceedings and/or the citeseer page -- Sundar 10:51, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Did you have a chance to look at Venpa? -- Sundar 10:13, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for not reply, its's on my to-do list! --Pjacobi 11:16, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

oh, ok. Thanks. -- Sundar 11:57, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

LinkBot

Re: "Why don't make it a "Pull", rather than a "Push" service?"

Two reasons:

1. Because the greatest value has been where people have discussed the suggestions on the talk page and/or indicated what they've already done. (For example see Talk:Archaeology and Talk:Australia). With something hosted on another site, you lose that.
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All the best, -- Nickj 03:14, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

220.236.152.72

You write "The edits in Shudra don't seem unreasonable... If he would start responding to discussion, and stop deleting other POVs..."

Yes, I eventually went through and looked at his/her edits and made (I think) appropriate comments on each on the discussion pages. But this is someone who edits anonymously, refuses discussion, ignores warnings, deletes heavily without explanation, creates entire new articles as POV'd versions of existing articles, and exceeds the 3-revert rule (at Ayer). With that sort of behavior, a block seems the only way even to get his/her attention. If decently behaved in the future, he/she might be a useful contibutor, but I won't cry any tears if we drove away someone who behaves this way. I'm sure that so far this editor has cost other people effort out of all proportion to any benefit. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:55, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. I only formulated a hope which won't become true in the majority of cases. --Pjacobi 22:00, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Misplaced Pages's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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German silver

Kindly do not revert the above article. It is not a copyright violation. It is a complete rewrite using material from 3 different sources.--Centauri 21:19, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not following your logic here. You have deleted several paragraphs of factual information because you disagree with the last sentence?--Centauri 21:36, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disagree with insertion of copyrighted material. Please be more careful in this area. --Pjacobi 21:38, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are not making any sense. The article is not copyrighted. It is original content written by me, based on 3 sources. The last sentence states a simple fact that cannot be communicated in any other way, except possibly by changing the words "stands for" to the word "means". What is the problem? --Centauri 21:43, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Also verbatim copied from: http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/G/Germansi.asp --Pjacobi 21:45, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

errr... if you read your own link you will see that it is most certainly not "verbatim copied". I'm actually starting to get a bit annoyed at being accused by you of making copyright violations when I obviously haven't done anything of the sort. Your article is an improvement on mine, so I'll let it go, but I really think making false accusations is not acceptable behaviour. --Centauri 22:06, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you feel unjustly attack, you can bring it up at Misplaced Pages:RfC but I was at least equally annoyed, that minutes after starting the article seriously (there was an older bad joke version), it was replaced by copyvio material.

• source : It was discovered (early 19th cent.) by a German industrial chemist, E. A. Geitner.
• source : It is widely used for cheap jewellery and the base metal for silver plating.

• your version: It was discovered in the early 19th Century by a German chemist, E A Geitner, and is widely used for cheap jewellery and as the base metal for silver plating.

• source : German silver varies in composition, the percentage of the three elements ranging approximately as follows: copper, from 50% to 61.6%; zinc, from 19% to 17.2%; nickel, from 30% to 21.1%. The proportions are always specified in commercial alloys.
• your version: German silver varies in composition, the percentage of the three elements ranging approximately as follows: copper, from 50% to 61.6%; zinc, from 19% to 17.2%; nickel, from 30% to 21.1%. For commercial alloys the exact proportions are always specified.

• source : German silver is extensively used because of its hardness, toughness, and resistance to corrosion for articles such as tableware (commonly silver plated), marine fittings, and plumbing fixtures.
• your version: German silver is in wide use because of its hardness, toughness, and resistance to corrosion for articles such as silver-plated tableware, marine fittings, and plumbing fixtures.

• source : Because of its high electrical resistance it is used also in heating coils.
• your version: Because of its high electrical resistance it is also used in heating coils.

• source : The letters EPNS on silverware stand for electroplated nickel silver.
• your version: The letters EPNS on silverware stand for electroplated nickel silver.

Pjacobi 22:27, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You have accused me of copying an article verbatim. Your own references above, aside from the last 2, show that I actually re-wrote material drawn from multiple sources, so it is most certainly NOT copied verbatim. Verbatim means word-for-word. The article I wrote is NOT a word-for-word copy of any previous article. It did not exist before I wrote it. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? As a professional writer with years of experience in matters of copyright I find your attitude in propagating this accusation increasingly objectionable.--Centauri 23:44, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You know, I am getting the feeling that this may be Gene_Poole after all. He argues like Gene Poole when he is upset.  :-( Samboy 00:32, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree that Centauri plagerized content and put it on Wiki here. He's a newbie, and I don't think he intentionally did a copyvio. I'm educating him on why copyvios can't be done here. Samboy 22:55, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)