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Fitzroy border

Thank you for your information about the Fitzroy border.

The cited document mentions a 1:50,000 map. I have some accurate topographic maps of southern Chile, but these maps have many no data areas, and there are other areas, particularly around the border, for which I have not been able to get maps. For the Fitzroy area I have a tourist 1:50,000 map with no borders shown, but I have no Chilean maps. Also, I am trying to find out the exact elevation of Cerro San Valentin. Chilean mapping gives 3,911m but other sources give 4,058m and SRTM data supports the higher figure. Please see also Cordillera del Paine. I would like to have accurate elevations for these summits; official Chilean IGM maps show no elevations, and the most often given elevations, especially that of Paine Grande, are not compatible with photographic evidence. Any information you can supply would be greatly appreciated. Viewfinder 04:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I am an amateur in these matters. In any case, I can give you some useful info. See the following link: Summits in border zones. That is official info, although not necessarily true. Recent maps and the most of the Chilean websites give 4,058m for Cerro San Valentin. In relation to Paine Grande, almost all the sources give 3,050m. See this article: and this another: Rolando Garibotti. Jespinos 23:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for these interesting links. The Garibotti photo from Paine Grande summit is particularly interesting, despite the low resolution. Assuming it shows Fortaleza in the centre (I am sure about this, what else could it be?) and the Torres on the right, then the heights that the border zones link gives, PG 3050m, F 2681m, Torre Sur 2850m, cannot all be correct. Consider the geometry, if they were all correct, the Torres would appear higher than Fortaleza, which they clearly do not. I am not alone in claiming the Torres are only 2500m, see summitpost. It seems to me that the 2,850m Torre Sur elevation was estimated on the basis of 3,050m for Paine Grande, and that the 3050m claim is at the root of the other errors in the Paine range. You are right that this is given by almost all sources, but perhaps they all copy each other. Also, my ChIGM 1:50,000 map of Cerro Macá (section XI) has no summit elevation or topography, and SRTM clearly shows that it is no more than 2,300 m. The northern Chile data looks good; here the IGM maps are in excellent agreement with SRTM, but I think that some of the Patagonian summits are in need of a new, modern survey. Viewfinder 07:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Evidently, most are copies of data from a few sites or sources. It never pretended to be a proof of true elevation. Jespinos 20:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

A French group that climbed the San Valentin in 1993 included two surveyors, who calculated an elevation of 4,080+-20 m by using a Global Positioning System (GPS). A Chilean group measured 4,070+-40 m by using GPS too.

In the next photos, you can see the Cordillera del Paine from a different angle, near Monte Balmaceda. I calculate that Cerro Paine Grande is, approximately, at least 3 percent higher than Cerro Paine Chico and about of 30 percent higher than Cuerno Principal. What is your opinion?. Jespinos 02:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/South_America/Chile/photo318700.htm
• http://obswww.unige.ch/~cramer/images-2/10-ultima.jpg
• http://www.geocities.com/adelaide.geo/patagonia/ptrel1_e.htm
• http://dgzmart.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_dgzmart_archive.html

Hi, thank you for these links. I have split and transferred this discussion to Monte San Valentin (which I have created) and Cordillera del Paine. Viewfinder 11:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I found information about Macá volcano. The Macá, according to the maps, has an elevation of 2,916 m, but the first ones and the second ones to climb it, consider that is not higher than 2,400-2,500 m. Jespinos 15:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• http://www.tecpetrol.com/patagonicos/cuaderno15/default.htm in Spanish

Thank you for this link too. It shows that the elevations shown on many maps of Patagonia are often much too high. But the errors are not generally found on official ChIGM maps, which merely show no data areas. Interestingly, the above link gives over 1,913m for Volcan Burney, but SRTM and ChIGM mapping agree that it is about 1,500m. The quality of high resolution ChIGM topo maps is usually very good. Viewfinder 15:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser

If you think that someone is illicitly using a sockpuppet, including tag-teaming from an IP address, you can either bring the matter to WP:AN or Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser. Or you can ask him outright: were these edits yours? They may say "yes" (which really simplifies things). They may say "no", which means that if a later checkuser shows that the edits were theirs, then there is no doubt about deceptive intent.

By the way, you are clearly way above an en-1 level English-language writer. An en-1 is usually someone who can read, but cannot really express himself in English. I suggest you change your user page accordingly. - Jmabel | Talk 18:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

My edits are not done in real time. For that reason, I think that my english level is not what it seems to be. I spent time, for example, comparing the number of results found by Google in the search for words or phrases, with the aim of reducing the number of errors in my edits. Please feel free to correct my spelling and grammatical errors. Jespinos 22:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Teresa of the Andes

Check out this link:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=teresa+of+the+andes

The vatican link you spoke of:

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_19930321_teresa-de-jesus_en.html

calls her Teresa de Jesús "de los Andes" and then TERESA OF JESUS OF LOS ANDES. I'm pretty sure "the Andes" is a reference to the geography, and not the town. If you're really concerned about the article, I'd go rewrite it, because it is a pretty obvious {{copyvio}}. Cheers. --evrik 19:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I want to clarify that I'm not a specialist in this area, it is only my opinion. At the end of the Vatican page other saints are mentioned: Teresa of Ávila ( monastery of the Incarnation of the Carmelite nuns at Ávila), Thérèse de Lisieux (Carmelite monastery at Lisieux) and Saint Teresa Margaret Redi. If it was consistent, the name would be "Los Andes" for the town where the monastery is located. Jespinos 00:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Just a note to thank you for watching my user and talk pages, and de-vandalising them before I noticed the vandalism. Viewfinder 07:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Al Vandalus

MANO DURA CON Al Vandalus QUIEN es sumamente hostil con Chile, se le nota el resentimiento a kilometros, debe ser habitante de alguno de los paises que nos rodean y envidian, o quiza un español que no puede entender que nos desarrollamos sin necesidad de mendigar dinero a la Union Europea, como lo hicieron ellos por mas de dos decadas.- saludos desde Puerto Montt.- Antarcticwik 04:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Tus intervenciones también han sido desafortunadas. Has caído en el juego de este personaje y has sido el mejor aliado en su causa. Te has ganado la enemistad de mucha gente que pudo haber ayudado a desenmascarar a esta persona. Por favor te pido que no sigas editando la página de Chile. Jespinos 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)