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	You stated that Pardo was responding to Netanyahu, whereas Netanyahu was responding for Pardo. So much for careful editing. For these reasons I will revert you.] (]) 06:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)		You stated that Pardo was responding to Netanyahu, whereas Netanyahu was responding for Pardo. So much for careful editing. For these reasons I will revert you.] (]) 06:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
	:You are right. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a random quote without encyclopedic value, and you don't have consensus for it. Moreover, from the context we can see it was ironic, not real criticism. Do you really believe Pardo was calling himself and the organization he directed a bunch of "criminals"?--] (]) 00:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)		:You are right. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a random quote without encyclopedic value, and you don't have consensus for it. Moreover, from the context we can see it was ironic, not real criticism. Do you really believe Pardo was calling himself and the organization he directed a bunch of "criminals"?--] (]) 00:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
			::If one editor reverts another, consensus does not mean I have to gain the assent of the reverter, as you remark erratically implies. That is the second error, after the first error of misreading the source. As to encyclopedic value, you have yet to show why a comment by the former head of Mossad on that organization, which caused a stir sufficient to rouse the ire of the Israeli President, is not 'encyclopedic'. Fourthly, what I or you think (ironic, etc.) is not relevant. One supplies the text of a controversy and leaves it to the reader, as I did. By the way, thanks for refreshing my memory about ARBPIA3. I thought reverts in 24 hours started from one's original edit, not from the timing of the reverter's edit.] (]) 09:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 July 2017

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In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has announced an additional arm to its technology research and development. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad, tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge abilities. 172.164.3.58 (talk) 13:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The link you provided I see as a primary source, which we can't accept alone. Additionally, it's okay to combine both statements into one instead of using 2 templates for 1 request. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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External links: www.Libertad.gov.il 172.164.3.58 (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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External links: www.Libertad.gov.il 172.164.12.209 (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. If the text you're proposing is an addition, not a replacement, then please specify exactly where you want it to go. You may also wish to rewrite it, since it's a bit awkward in its current form. Rivertorch_WATER 03:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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THE FOLLOWING ARE TWO RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS TO THE MOSSAD PAGE 1. AFTER THE FOLLOWING TEXT PRESENTLY ON THE MOSSAD PAGE Mossad (Hebrew: הַמוֹסָד‎, IPA: ; Arabic: الموساد‎‎, al-Mōsād, IPA: ; literally meaning "the Institute"), short for HaMossad leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim (Hebrew:המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎, meaning "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"), is the national intelligence agency of Israel. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security).

Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism, as well as bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities. Its director reports directly to the Prime Minister.

PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING TEXT AFTER AN APPROPRIATE PARAGRAPH LINE SPACE IS ADDED In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has established an additional arm to its technological research and development efforts. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad. It is tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge capabilities for both the civilian and defense sectors.

2. AFTER THE FOLLOWING EXTERNAL LINKS PRESENTLY ON THE MOSSAD PAGE External links Official website Official website (in Hebrew) Official website (in Arabic) GlobalSecurity.org entry for Mossad

PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING LINK TO THE END OF THE LINKS LIST www.Libertad.gov.il 172.164.8.52 (talk) 14:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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This translation is incorrect, even if some (anti-Israel?) sources support it. The word "deception" doesn't appear anywhere. This is the sentence in Proverbs: "For by stratagems you wage war, And victory comes with much planning."--181.110.211.53 (talk) 07:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:16, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Not true. see the book by former Mossad agent : By Way of Deception#Title. I'm an Israeli and i'm definitely not anti Israel (and also native Hebrew speaker). I added to my edit of "By way of deception" 5 references. --Midrashah (talk) 11:00, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit request template removed. The edit request template is only for individuals with a conflict of interest. No COI is present here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 06:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

References

מיתוס המוסד: כשארגון ביון ומיתוג נפגשים, Ynet, 31 October, 2011

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Killing of 3.000 people

According to research by Israeli experts Ronen Bergman, the Mossad has killed at least 3,000 people. The victims were not just targets. Many innocent people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time were also murdered. During the second intifada, there were days when four to five targeted killings were ordered. Bergman tell the story in his book Rise and Kill First.--Falkmart (talk) 01:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure. There are many reviews of the book, which could be notable in its own regard. However. at the outset of the book, he has a note on sources claiming that the Israeli government sought to block publication and so he had to rely on leaks, many of his sources now having since died of old age. Because he makes such claims and admits his evidence is flimsy, I don't know if a consensus of Wikipedians would consider it a reliable source. Just because historians can't study the archives because the IDF et al won't allow their documents to be declassified is not an excuse for sloppy journalism in a politically fraught field. I'd avoid using the book as a source here, though I might write an article about the book itself. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:03, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, please change "File:Official Mossad logo.png" to "File:Mossad seal.svg". Also I think protection can be degraded to only semi-protection as there were no violations in last period. Tal (Ronaldinho The king) 12:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Reverting with a false edit summary

You reverted me with the edit summary revision 844373211 by Nishidani (talk) what is the encyclopedic value of this random quote (which was a response to a statement by Netanyahu) in the middle of nowhere?

You made no effort to address your concern on the talk page.
Your edit summary was false, a ‘random quote (which was a response to a statement by Netanyahu)'

The text I cited reads:-

"The Mossad is not a criminal organization. It is a splendid organization that does holy work in the fight against terrorism and other threats to the State of Israel, and we all salute it," Netanyahu said at the weekly cabinet meeting Sunday. The prime minister was responding to Pardo, who described the Mossad as "a crime organization with a license" and said "that's the fun part" of working there. Pardo was speaking in an interview with Uvda, the investigative TV show that aired the report Thursday

You stated that Pardo was responding to Netanyahu, whereas Netanyahu was responding for Pardo. So much for careful editing. For these reasons I will revert you.Nishidani (talk) 06:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

You are right. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a random quote without encyclopedic value, and you don't have consensus for it. Moreover, from the context we can see it was ironic, not real criticism. Do you really believe Pardo was calling himself and the organization he directed a bunch of "criminals"?--יניב הורון (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

If one editor reverts another, consensus does not mean I have to gain the assent of the reverter, as you remark erratically implies. That is the second error, after the first error of misreading the source. As to encyclopedic value, you have yet to show why a comment by the former head of Mossad on that organization, which caused a stir sufficient to rouse the ire of the Israeli President, is not 'encyclopedic'. Fourthly, what I or you think (ironic, etc.) is not relevant. One supplies the text of a controversy and leaves it to the reader, as I did. By the way, thanks for refreshing my memory about ARBPIA3. I thought reverts in 24 hours started from one's original edit, not from the timing of the reverter's edit.Nishidani (talk) 09:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

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