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Bias

Misplaced Pages page on Khan Al-Ahmar. What bias? 1) the name is entered in brackets 1st as Hebrew, then Hebrew, finally in Arabic 2) called an "encampment" a derogatory term indicating transience 3) 'located' between 2 Jewish 'settlements' - a tendentious method of geo-location 4) described as 'tents and ramshackle huts' - perjorative nouns and adjectives

- this in the 1st 3 lines!

5) "slated for destruction" - "slated" appears to be a term intended to legitimise ethnic cleansing 6) the school is described as "made of tires and mud" - perjorative description of a well known sustainable building technology

Interesting that the place commemorates the story of the 'Good Samaritan' JC's parable answer to the question"who is my neighbour"

the 'discussion' page in wikipedia ia headed by 2 images http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Wikij.svg/70px-Wikij.svg.png and a Zionist Entity flag. Feeling welcome? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.40.226 (talk) 21:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Landmarks

This section talks about the Good Samaritan Inn but confuses several sites. The Good Samaritan Inn, which is also pictured, is not called Khan al-Ahmar but Khan Al-Hatruri. It is this which is described; nevertheless the remains "on the opposite side of the inn" are not St Euthymius but an unknown church discovered in 1934. St Euthymius is some 3.5 km southwest and has an inn associated with it. It is this inn which, in the 13th century, became the site of the red Khan, Khan Al-Ahmar, after which the village is named presumably. I have updated the section based on this clarification of the locations. Mlevitt1 (talk) 23:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

1. https://glopoi.com/palestina/places/khan-al-hatruri-the-good-samaritan-inn-archaeological-site-jerusalem-west-bank and see Google maps
2. http://www.parks.org.il/sites/English/ParksAndReserves/GoodSamaritanInn/Pages/default.aspx
3. http://biblewalks.com/Sites/EuthemiusMonastery.html
4. https://he.wikipedia.org/%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%96%D7%A8_%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A1 and see Google maps

Census reference

In the first line of the history section it says:

According to a census conducted in 1931 by the British Mandate authorities, Al-Auja had a population of 27, in 3 houses.

Al-Auja, Jericho is some place else. Nearby, but not relevant to this entry So why is this mentioned here? Shmuel A. Kam (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

You are absolutely right. The numbers are correct, but the name is wrong, I have fixed it now. (Al-Auja, Jericho was much larger in 1931), Huldra (talk) 22:55, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

A location confusion.

Maps show "Kh. al Khan el Ahmar" about 2km south. There was a rail head there at one time. Some care is needed in interpretting sources. Zero 03:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Sigh, yeah, we could really need a map of this place, Laura of Euthymius and Ma'ale Adumim, Huldra (talk) 21:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Greetings! This is indeed a tangled mess. I have fixed several references to try to give some clarity to the =Landmarks= section of the article. Clearly, the Red Inn and the Good Samaritan Inn are two different places. The Arabic page exhibits the same confusion. The English page, Laura of Euthymius, seems to be about the Red Inn but then has map coordinates which again point to the Good Samaritan Inn. There are Hebrew and French pages which ignore the Bedouins of the area, focusing only on the archeological site (but which?).@Efrat (talk) 19:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Patently silly revert POV pushing

this. It is not an 'activists' claim: the petition was made by Maale Adunim and other settlements in order to expand their settlements. Zonscheine simply stated what numerous sources recapitulate. This trigger-happy reverting is reaching neurotic levels. The edit summary has no basis in policy, indeed is insouciant of policy. Nishidani (talk) 14:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Of course it is an activist claim. Zoneshine is the head of an activist's NGO, and the source is his opinion column. His opinion, properly attributed to him and his NGO, appears later in the article, but cannot be stated in Misplaced Pages's voice as unattributed fact in the lede. Attack Ramon (talk)

If you know nothing of the topic, or are unwilling to read widely before making silly and subjective excisions, then don't edit around here. Anyone who knows the topic, or anyone with any curiosity, will have noted that Zonscheine's statement is widely attested, so it is not an 'activist's opinion, fa chrissake. B'tselem stated that last year, to cite just one example. B'tselem is far more than an 'activist' NGO. It's one of the few institutions in that area that actually troubles to document the realities, legal, administrative and otherwise, of the I/P area, and is widely recognized as a very reliable source.

The forcible transfer of Khan al-Ahmar will enable future expansion of settlements, including in the area designated E1 – a plan being promoted in part by the settler lobby. On Sunday, 27 Aug., hundreds of settlers, joined by MKs Shuli Mualem and Moti Yogev (both of the Jewish Home party), demonstrated near the Khan al-Ahmar community, pressuring the government to move forward with its demolition plan. Khan al-Ahmar, which lies on land that Israel has earmarked for expansion of settlements near Ma’ale Adumim east of Jerusalem, is home to 21 families numbering 146 persons, including 85 minors. It has a mosque and also a local school, which was established in 2009 and serves more than 150 children between the ages of six and fifteen – some of them from neighboring communities.</blockquote>

POV warriors barging in to excise material whose reliability can be independently verified, using Undue, 'activist' or any other excuse, are not here to constructively edit.Nishidani (talk) 14:52, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I know far more about this topic than you. Quoting the opinion of yet another activist group does not really help your argument. Attack Ramon (talk) 14:55, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

'Abut' is spelt 'about'. The text goes back because I gave you evidence of its use in other sources, and you have no answer but counter-assertion.Nishidani (talk) 15:20, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Seeing as I just fixed your horrendous English grammar here, are you sure you want to make an issue over a typo? You will not come out looking too good in this sort of nitpicking contest. You showed that two activist NGO's claim this, but this is not sufficient for including the claim in Misplaced Pages's voice, unattributed, in the lede. I remind you that the onus is on you to gain consensus for including disputed material. Attack Ramon (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

In the above edit, here, you introduced:...wrotee that thee.....which isn't English, AFAIK, Huldra (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Whoever you may turn out to be, this attempt to introduce the Gatestone Institute, is utterly unacceptable. It has no RSN backing, what's more.Nishidani (talk) 17:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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