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Giant quote without paragraph marks

The quote in the section Flu vaccine virus selection is over a screen long without any paragraph indentations. It's unreadable! Pigkeeper 17:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Good point I'll modify it. Tell me if you like the modification. WAS 4.250 17:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

NPOV?

Is this NPOV? Parts of this article, in particular, "Injected flu vaccine was grown in fertilized chicken eggs as is the new FluMist nasal spray vaccine produced by MedImmune. FluMist causes a more durable immune response and is therefore more effective than injected vaccine was. It is the recommended type of flu vaccination for all healthy people ages 5 to 49 and contraindicated for those with allergy to egg proteins." read like a press release. -Unknown

This passage is very poorly written. "vaccince was grown" "as is the new" "and is therefore" "injected vaccine was". Holy verb tense Batman! -Unknown

Risks

I'm not disputing whether there are risks or not, but there's no citation for "However, flu vaccine is not routinely administered to children under the age of 2". Where I live (BC, Canada), the flu vaccine is recommended and funded for all children between 6 months and two years. --Westendgirl 21:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

This page is biased towards vaccination, and does not inform of the proven link to Guillaine Barre syndrome, quiet apart from the many articles showing the total ineffectiveness of flu vaccination. 86.128.169.252 20:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Mercury content in flu shots?

I keep hearing this, but I fail to see any studies showing mercury content, or even if there is, that it's unnecessary for conveying the drug. I'm researching this for the Joseph Mercola article I'm expanding. Tyciol 15:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I changed the see also reference to read "Thimerosal is controversial mercury-containing organic compound used as an antiseptic and antifungal agent in vaccines." WAS 4.250 16:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Efficacy of pre-pandemic H5N1 vaccines

Actually the chances are that current H5N1 vaccines would give a fair bit of protection, all the experts say so, but governements have been exaggerating the potential for mutations to arise rendering the vaccines ineffective, as they do not want to pay for widespread vaccination if they can avoid it and they do not want the general public to panic and demand vaccinations that have not been fully developed yet. John Oxford, one of the UKs top experts was quoted on the BBC's Newsnight programme saying that although there was a chance that current vaccines wouldn't work on the pandemic flu, there was a good chance they would and that he would jump at the chance to have a pre-pandemic H5N1 vaccination. - unsigned

A prepandemic vaccine is better than no vaccine, and that is why prepandemic vaccines are undergoing clinical trials as we speak. No one is exaggerating the potential for mutations to render vaccines ineffective; the fear is rational and based on facts covered in our articles. You might care to read Flu research and H5N1 clinical trials. WAS 4.250 14:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I basically agree, I guess it depends on the way in which H5N1 mutates to infect humans, if it is through hybridisation there could be a dramatic change (though I guess one would hope that there might be some immunity left in the population to the human half) whereas if there are just a few changes in RNA, immunity arising from existing vaccines would have a much better chance of providing some degree of protection against pandemic H5N1. NB I slightly re-worded that sentence again, what do you think?--Hontogaichiban 00:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I have zero problem with your latest change. Thanks for helping out. It is a big burden to try to keep current and accurate for no pay. I welcome even more help (just be sure to provide sources). WAS 4.250 02:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

History

When I read this I was really hoping to hear about the history of the vaccine. When it first came around, who invented it, or what country first started using it. Also when it became standard to distribute and administer it in the various countries that have access to it. How long it took to become accepted and trusted. None of those questions are answered. It's as though it fell from the sky one day. Could someone with some knowledge create a section about the vaccine's history please? Thanks in advance. - User talk:Quadzilla99

I'll add something. WAS 4.250 17:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's great. Nice to have people like you around. User talk:Quadzilla99 18 July 2006.

Bracket around the p

User:WAS 4.250: On my computer I saw

1918, "hysicians tried

with an unnecessary set of square brackets around the p. What do you see? What browser do you use? I use Firefox. Paul Studier 20:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The source says:

"Physicians tried everything they knew, everything they had ever heard of, from the ancient art of bleeding patients, to administering oxygen, to developing new vaccines and sera (chiefly against what we now call Hemophilus influenzae—a name derived from the fact that it was originally considered the etiological agent—and several types of pneumococci). Only one therapeutic measure, transfusing blood from recovered patients to new victims, showed any hint of success."

Our paragraph says:

"In the world wide Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, "hysicians tried everything they knew, everything they had ever heard of, from the ancient art of bleeding patients, to administering oxygen, to developing new vaccines and sera (chiefly against what we now call Hemophilus influenzae—a name derived from the fact that it was originally considered the etiological agent—and several types of pneumococci). Only one therapeutic measure, transfusing blood from recovered patients to new victims, showed any hint of success.""

The brackets denote something within the quote that is not quoted.

We could use:

"In the world wide Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, physicians "tried everything they knew, everything they had ever heard of, from the ancient art of bleeding patients, to administering oxygen, to developing new vaccines and sera (chiefly against what we now call Hemophilus influenzae—a name derived from the fact that it was originally considered the etiological agent—and several types of pneumococci). Only one therapeutic measure, transfusing blood from recovered patients to new victims, showed any hint of success.""

or:

"In the world wide Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, "Physicians tried everything they knew, everything they had ever heard of, from the ancient art of bleeding patients, to administering oxygen, to developing new vaccines and sera (chiefly against what we now call Hemophilus influenzae—a name derived from the fact that it was originally considered the etiological agent—and several types of pneumococci). Only one therapeutic measure, transfusing blood from recovered patients to new victims, showed any hint of success.""

Any choice that does not misrepresent the source is fine with me. WAS 4.250 23:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I misunderstood the purpose of the bracket. It looked like someone tried to wikify the letter p. I prefer "Physicians ...", so I left it that way. Paul Studier 00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Criticism on studies

I added, once again, the criticism on the flu vaccine studies. A user delted this with the comment "revert people saying OMG maybe you need to pay us to study how effective this stuff is"... if you have real arguments against this study published in the October 28, 2006 issue of the British Medical Journal or arguments why this should not be stated here (remember, its a scientific study published in a famous medical journal and fitting to this subject, so I think it should be stated in this article) please post it here and let us all decide together... thx. Ogno 07:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I reverted your unencyclopedic adition. Add a section on known limitations of flu vaccine if you wish, but adding "this report says it needs more study" is for a newspaper not an encyclopedia. Scientists want to study everything more. And to the extent vaccines match expectations depends on your expectations and the experts are well aware of the limitations of flu vaccines. The fact that most people are not recommended to get one and most people don't, indicates the limitations are well known. WAS 4.250 17:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not add "this report says it needs more study", I wrote "a study was published which challenges the conclusiveness of Flu vaccination studies"... this sounds very encyclopedian to me. Anyway... I'm very sorry you simply ignore the wikipedia rules and again change the article in this matter without further discussion... I'll try and setisfy you with a new version and hope you won't simply change it again or I'll be forced to inform an admin. Ogno 21:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Add a section on known limitations of flu vaccine if you wish. "A study was published which challenges the conclusiveness of Flu vaccination studies" is GARBAGE because it is a straw man because no expert claims "conclusiveness" in the first place. The right thing to do with GARBAGE is throw it away. Which I did and will do again. WAS 4.250 23:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Since you simply delete the section again and again without discussion and do not accept a scientific study to be entered into wikipedia, you have been warned that you violate the WP:3RR. If you delete the section once more I will report you to the admins. Ogno 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)