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Welcome to my talk page I use the name Cullen328 on Misplaced Pages, but you can call me "Jim" because that's my real first name. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the old comments from July and August of 2009 that follow the "Contents" here, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome when I first started editing Misplaced Pages.

The importance of a friendly greeting

Hello and welcome to my talk page. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the comments that follow from July and August of 2009 readily visible, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome here on Misplaced Pages when I first started editing. Cullen Let's discuss it 17:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Please offer your thoughts

I would appreciate comments and suggestions on any contributions I make. I am learning.Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on Jules Eichorn. He's been needing an article for a while.   Will Beback  talk  06:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If I may suggest, now that you've posted the Eichorn article the draft below might be deleted. It's your talk page to do with as you like, but it's a bit hard to edit around.

As for formatting and pictures, a good way to learn is to look around at other articles to see what you think looks best. It can be helpful to break up long blocks of text into subsections. Perhaps it'd be possible to split the biography into two or three eras. Other than that, the formatting is usually kept fairly plain. As for photos, it's easy to upload them: the trick is in finding photos with appropriate licensing. If you have any personal photos then those'd be fine. There are might be pictures of the peaks he did first ascents on in the Wikicommons. File:Cathedral Peak.png is a so-so pic of Eichorn Pinnacle.

As before, feel free to ask if you have any questions. There are several editors here who are mountaineers or just admirers of the Sierra, so you're in good company.   Will Beback  talk  21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: Many editors create "sandbox" pages for drafting articles. For example, User talk:Cullen328/Sandbox.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 1 August 2009

Your climber biographies

Hey Jim, just wanted to say welcome and thanks for your contributions to the Sierra Nevada climbing history articles. You're filling a niche that's been missing here, I look forward to working with you. --Justin (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that. Nice work on Allen Steck and welcome to Misplaced Pages. I don't know who you are planning to write up next but if your taking requests I think Peter Croft (climber) could really use a page. If you ever have any questions please ask. Thanks again for your great additions.--OMCV (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Justin and OMCV. I am beginning work on Tom Frost and Glen Dawson. Comments on Norman Clyde would be welcomed. I will defintely read up on Peter Croft, OMCV. I am still "learning the ropes" in Misplaced Pages, to use a climbing analogy, and have all sorts of things in mind. My biggest challenge right now is getting permission to use images. My next biggest challenge is hiking to the top of Mt. Whitney with my wife in ten days - she's never been above 12,000 feet except for the train ride up Pikes Peak. As she's 56 and developing arthritis in her toes, it will be an accomplishment if she (and I) complete the Class 1 feat. Jim Heaphy (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Debra and I made it to the summit of Mt. Whitney at 2:20 PM on Friday, September 11. Jim Heaphy (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Adding cover images

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your response. I fully agree with your rationale - but how do I "just do it"? I've gone to one of the image pages and tried to update the summary and licensing info (adapted from another album page from the same band), and was greeted with a rapid deletion message. The code I used was as follows:

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The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. We have two brief presentations lined up for our kickoff event in downtown San Francisco:

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Interview invitation from a Misplaced Pages researcher in University of Minnesota

Hello Cullen328,

I am Bowen Yu, a Ph.D. student from GroupLens Research at the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities. Currently, we are undertaking a study about turnover (editors leaving and joining) in WikiProjects within Misplaced Pages. We are trying to understand the effects of member turnovers in the WikiProject group, in terms of the group performance and member interaction, with a purpose of learning how to build successful online communities in future. More details about our project can be found on this meta-wiki page.

I notice you are active in activities related to project page and project talk page, so I wonder if I could invite you for an interview if you are interested in our study and willing to share your experience with us. The interview will be about 30 - 45 minutes via phone, Skype or Google Hangout. You will receive a $10 gift card as compensation afterwards.

Please reach me at bowen@cs.umn.edu if you are interested or have any questions.

Thank you, Bowen

Holiday card

Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, Cullen328!

"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Bill Shorten

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Bill Shorten. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey, hi, um, how does one subscribe to the feedback request service? Can anyone sign up? And do the updates always go to one's talk page?

(Sorry - I am very much n00bsauce.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlie Sanders (talk • contribs) 05:07, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Charlie Sanders. Yes, any editor, no matter how new, can sign up to give feedback. Just offer constructive suggestions. Please read the details at Misplaced Pages:Feedback request service. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:22, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your fast reply, Cullen328, and apologies for my slow one.

I will definitely check out the article you've kindly recommended - I majored in Linguistics at university, was Deputy Editor of the student paper, and now I help to draft (and to argue various interpretations of) Legislation, so I have an established record of not contributing much but always being the first person to form an opinion on others' contributions. :D I see that my question above is 'unsigned' - I don't know how to create or attach a signature on here! Isn't that terrible?! I feel really impolite! That said, I've been eyeing your sign-off, and I'm going to try a little bit of alteration and see if I have cracked what is essentially my first 'coding', lol… Radicalness Change my mind, change my life. Am I allowed to do that, with the name replacement? If not, is there a way to change my username so that it's not my IRL name, or to have one username for my contributions and another for… correcting people's grammar and stuff, like the great big grammar fascist that I am? Also, is this a thing? Charlie Sanders (talk) 09:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Charlie Sanders. You add your signature to your talk page posts by adding four tildes to the very end of the post. It looks like this: ~~~~. Please read Misplaced Pages:Signatures for details, including how to customize a signature. In my opinion, an all-red signature is not a good idea because it signals that you have no user page, and you do. It also signals that you are a newcomer. If you want to conceal your real world identity, then abandon your current account and start fresh with a new, anonymous name. I do not recommend using two accounts. Though not forbidden, it is tricky to manage proper use of multiple accounts and you may get blocked if you violate the complex policy. Start by reading WP:MULTIPLE. Cullen Let's discuss it 17:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, Cullen328. I'm trying to remember to use all the information you've squished into my brains! Is it even appropriate for me to be asking all these off-topic questions in poor Bill's discussion thread? Him being my very own potential Prime Minister and, in fact, someone I have known through work (both before and after his move into Federal Politics, in different capacities), I feel a bit mean for disrupting his Topic like this. I also feel some smug satisfaction, but I senae that Misplaced Pages is not a place wherein this is reasonable motivation for anything! So, this thread, these questions, ensuing advice column: acceptable? Undesirable? If the latter, how best to move such a digression, and to where? Or is it serving a porpoise where it is, by answering questions that your future visitors might have? Charlie Sanders (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, Charlie Sanders. I am always happy to answer questions about Misplaced Pages editing and I also recommend the Teahouse for editing assistance. However, it is best to start a new section for new questions, by clicking the appropriate button at the top of the page. This thread is now about five weeks old. As for Bill Shorten, I know almost nothing about Australian politics. Sorry. Cullen Let's discuss it 16:47, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Bill Shorten is the Parliamentary Leader of the Opposition, which means that his party has the next-best claim to a majority of the numbers of MPs in the House of Reps; if the current Party of Government had one or two fewer spots, the handful of 'more progressive' people in the HoR from the minor Parties would throw their support behind Bill Shorten's mob and the current Prime Minister would lose his job and his conservative-types Party would lose Government and become the Opposition. The Opposition's job is to form a 'shadow Ministry' to mirror the Government's allocation of portfolios, and to question every decision made by the PM and the Ministers of the Government, and to put forward what *they* think should be done instead of what is being done, and how they'd fund it and what a bunch of mooks the current lot are and how terrible a job they're doing at running the country. Bill Shorten is very good at being the Opposition Leader because he has the luxury of not being beholden to his professed policy preferences, given that he's not actually doing anything right now. When elected to Government, former Opposition Leaders very nearly always end up continuing to implement the same policies as the people before them, because changing things in real life is harder than shouting it at people during Question Time or saying good quotes to the Press; it is also good to be able to keep blaming the previous blokes for as much as possible for as long as possible so that it's more likely you'll be elected for future terms in which you can also uphold the status quo for the porpoises of staying in power - one has to keep the bad guys out! Can you tell I am a political scientist rather than a politician? :D Charlie Sanders (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the mini-seminar on Australian politics, Charlie Sanders, which I liked reading even though there is a lot of it I do not understand. After all, as an American, I must devote much of my waking hours and limited brainpower to understanding Trump. Perhaps you have heard of him. He hung up on your prime minister. I like the word "mook" which is almost unknown in the U.S. although I think it resembles the noun usage of "mope" here, which is outdated. Think of a clueless follower who poses as a bit more sophisticated than he really is, and hangs around the fringes of organized crime or precinct politics, pretending to be more important than he actually is. Of course, Americans are thoroughly familiar with the word "bloke" although we never, ever use it unless we are imitating Brits or Aussies, for a laugh. We say "guy" or "dude" or "homie". Anyway, I enjoyed your presentation and thank you for it. Glad to know that you are always thinking of porpoises. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Finding a porpoise in life is commonly purported as a prerequisite for happiness; I'm not entirely convinced - I tend more towards 'we otter do what makes us happy and healthy - gnuing who we're meant to bee will follow.' I understand the huge amount of extra brainpower required to comprehend this Trump fellow - if ever there was a stooge, this is him. I did lol when you mentioned the phonecall incident - our news cycle dined out on that one for about five full days. I'm actually chuffed that our Prime Minister received that honour so early in the farce - I'm pretty sure the opinion polls reflected an increase in Mr Turnbull's approval rating after that! I rather enjoyed the clip someone edited together of the reactions on the faces of each of the leaders of the x number of UN member nations when they were informed of Trump's election victory. That moment's glimpse of their true feelings before they managed to re-compose their diplomatic facades, collated one after another, one second each for 1xx seconds… genius. I'll try to find a link for you - we must take levity from this situation wherever we can find it! :D Charlie Sanders (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you as always, Charlie Sanders. Thanks for making me smile. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Deleting potential politicians

in the teahouse you referenced that we should remove any potential politicians from the wiki. But what about Glenn Jacobs, and Terry Gerin from the wiki as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blair277 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Blair277. Although my knowledge of professional wrestling is negligible, it looks to me that those individuals were notable as wrestlers before they entered politics. There are many cases of notable entertainers or generals or authors who later entered politics. My comment does not apply to such people. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

It's politics, Jim, but not as we know it! Given my established awesomeness at 'politicks and stuff', I propose that a) most 'politicians' are 'notable' in their respective fields before they head into the murky depths of 'politics' (or at least they think they are, and someone else thinks this is an opportunity to move them on so that they can be notable in their field/move them into a role where they will be notable by default and thereby acquiring some convenient and grateful coat-tails), and that a way of establishing whether a 'potential politician' is notable would be whether or not they have a Misplaced Pages page on the basis of whatever notability they had prior to their interest in politics (or is there a lower bar for notability in a previous field if their notability as a potential politician is sufficient, and perhaps Misplaced Pages needs to develop an 'intersectional notability' standard calculation; b) Charlie Defines… Pt 1. 'Potentiality'; c) Charlie Defines… Pt 2. 'Politician'; and d) Charlie Defines… A Christmas Special: Defining 'Politics' with special guest Judge Judy! Okay, so my previous reply raged out of control and disappeared up several of its own vortices, so I've cut'n'pasted it to my own talk page and I invite you and any or all of your friends and family to crack open some Swedish Fish and come watch me attempt to define the definition of some criteria which constitute a subjective perception of what even is a 'politician', other than that they are a person (or potentially another intelligent animal, depending on our definition of 'politics') who engages to an undefined extent in 'politics', which is… Stay tuned! Charlie Sanders (talk) 09:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Howdy

Per your revert on this, please clarify. Nakon 05:34, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Coyote is of Sephardi Jewish descent and Ashkenazi Jewish descent, and therefore the Jewish descent category is correct. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

螺钉

Hi Cullen - just a polite note to let you know that I've unblocked this user, as I think they're unlikely to repeat the behaviour that caused the block. All the best, Yunshui _水 14:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Yunshui. I appreciate your note and have no objection to your decision. Please keep an eye on their editing for a while. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Succession to the British throne

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BLP issues on British politics articles arbitration case opened

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Jerusalem question

Thank you for your response. I am a loss when stating a fact is a proble. The Palestinians authorities are recognized by the U.S and most western nations as terrorists. that should be sufficient. KirinMagic (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I too have found it troubling when stating a fact is a proble. EEng 01:55, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Couldn't find an appropriate image for "proble", EEng#s? John from Idegon (talk) 01:59, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately the lead image from Cartman Gets an Anal Proble is nonfree. EEng 02:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Attempts at humor aside, the fact of the matter, KirinMagic, is that the Palestinian Authority was created as part of the Oslo peace process. Despite its severe internal problems, the United States and other western countries have given billions of dollars of aid to the Palestinian Authority over the years. The Israelis have working day-to-day security arrangements with the PA as well. In conclusion, you are wrong. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:00, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Junípero Serra

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Block Indefinitely

Please block User:Emilyiship'05 indefinitely because this user's is giving threats on her talk page . Clockist (talk) 15:49, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at User:Kudpung/What do admins do?

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Please comment on Talk:Lawrence Liang

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Thanks

Jim, Thanks for your comments on NeilN's page. I didn't really appreciate the bad faith assumptions about my AE request. One thing that came out of it is that if I unfortunately see comments like that that make me feel something is off, I'll get a second opinion. Since apparently NeilN trusts your judgement, I hope you don't mind if I ping you on the offchance I see a comment or attack that perhaps warrants attention. Thanks,Sir Joseph 19:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Sir Joseph. You are welcome to ask me for second opinions, and I will give an honest response. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Academic Studies Press

Hi, Cullen328, Good day. Advice needed. I agreed on the ground it is a serious academic publisher and published notable books which it deserves a place in Misplaced Pages as compared to thousands popular culture article exist in Misplaced Pages. If there is practice which I am not aware of that Misplaced Pages would be OK to improve the article as with a WP:BEFORE found not WP:RS to establish (as per Misplaced Pages guidelines), I am more than happy to withdraw the nomination without delay as my nomination is based on the said guidelines. Do advise. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 04:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, CASSIOPEIA. Nominating an article for deletion is entirely optional and you should exercise good editorial judgment when you decide which articles to nominate for deletion, which articles to try to improve, and which articles to leave alone. Like articles about journalists, articles about publishers can be difficult to reference properly, since the vast majority of Google hits are to primary rather than secondary sources. In my opinion, publishing the works of highly notable authors and publishing books that won awards from highly notable organizations are strong indications of notabilty. It might take a very lengthy Google search using a variety of sophisticated search terms to find references that could be used to improve this article and demonstrate notabilty more convincingly. But since we have an abundance of articles about obviously non-notable topics, I recommend that you prioritize that type of article in your deletion work. I will leave it up to you to decide whether or not to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Cullen328, I understand and agree with your rational as I feel the same and at times find articles exist in Misplaced Pages mainspace are deemed so trivial in comparison other notable subjects which do not meet Misplaced Pages guidelines. I did not intentional seek on deletion article, but came across this article when I did NPP review and just follow the guidelines. Thank you for the info. Appreciate it. CASSIOPEIA 05:16, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I want to thank you for your NPP work, which is very important, CASSIOPEIA. Please remember that guidelines are not policies, and that good editorial judgment is the most important trait of a productive Misplaced Pages editor. You are developing that, and I commend you for your work here. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your encourage Cullen, and good to know I could use my editorial judgements, which I didnt aware I could do so, instead of merely follow the guidelines given. Thank you for the advice and info. Have a good evening. CASSIOPEIA 05:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Following guidelines is important but not mandatory, CASSIOPEIA. If you do not truly believe, in your heart of hearts, that a particular article should be deleted, then do not nominate it for deletion. Just pass it by. There are plenty of other articles to review. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:01, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

OK noted and thank you. CASSIOPEIA 06:25, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

The jacket caper

Just curious... what do you think the whole Melania jacket thing is about if not politics? 23:10, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, Atsme, I had drafted this note earlier but decided not to post it. But since you are here at Cullen's page, and my note was about what Cullen said, I'll go ahead.

Atsme, Cullen made a good point at the Melania Trump talk page. He objected to your repeated attempts to change the subject, from Melania and the jacket, to the FBI and collusion and Strzok and whatever else you had on your mind. And he was right; those were not productive comments. They were not only very POV but completely off topic, whether in an attempt to change the subject, or just because those issues were so foremost in your mind that you couldn’t help yourself. I guess I have gotten so used to this from you, that I hardly noticed; it took a newcomer to the page to say “hey, wait a minute!” Anyhow, since those comments are not related to the subject, they will carry no weight in determining consensus. P.S. I see that you also mentioned Strzok at an equally unrelated discussion at Talk:Presidency of Donald Trump. How many other unrelated discussions do you intend to mention him in? --MelanieN (talk) 01:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, this encyclopedia covers politics, so I fail to see the relevance of your comment. Politics, after all, is the process by which we govern ourselves. I also do not understand why you are bringing your observation here, rather than the article talk page. Although I disagree with MelanieN about the content in question, I do agree with her that Strzok should be discussed at the Strzok talk page, Russian "collusion" at that talk page, and so on. Melanie's jacket should be discussed at Talk:Melania Trump, and so on. Please conduct yourself accordingly going forward. Cullen Let's discuss it 01:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Cullen, we cover politics but we are supposed to use editorial judgment. The essay, WP:Editorial discretion, is spot on. As for criticism of my analogy, I have to ask, when did it become unacceptable to use analogies during a TP discussion to demonstrate the difference between notable encyclopedic content vs not notable, gossipy material that belongs in Cosmopolitan or Fashion Today? I have to laugh - MSNBC is referring to the jacket caper as the new Yanny vs Laurel debate. 😂 The analogy I used demonstrated the stark contrast between the jacket VS what is happening inside one of the most important federal agencies in the U.S., especially after it was revealed that an FBI agent was romantically involved with a NYTimes reporter. D'ya think maybe there's a COI there? Regardless, as editors, we don't need 20 different RS for inclusion of important material - one RS is all that's needed. The jacket caper is clearly NOTNEWS #2 - doesn't matter how many sources are covering it. It was a one-time deal, she wore it boarding the plane, and took it off when she went to see the children. See my comment at the TP, as it also links to RS that speak to her work with children. 02:11, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, was there anything at all unclear when I told you that this discussion belongs at Talk:Melania Trump and not here at my talk page? Was I insufficiently forceful? When I ask for the conversation to take place elsewhere, I mean it, and I expect you to honor my request. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Cullen - actually you were not clear - but I understand now. Good night. 02:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Patrick Treacy

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Celebrating 9 years of editing

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!
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Happy First Edit Day

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Happy WikiBirthday

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Wrestling with publication deadlines...

You are hereby invited, on behalf of The Signpost editorial team to submit an article on Kayfabe. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

And what would that deadline be, Kudpung? Cullen Let's discuss it 16:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

That was a great pun, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง; Yes please Cullen328, you have a kindly manner about you and would be perfect for an article on newbies or something related to that. And thank you for participating in the comments section of the humour article. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 16:54, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Copy deadline around 27/28 July. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I will do it, Kudpung. Please nudge me occasionally. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Go here. Locate the coloured table. See the line with the pink 'Opinion', click the 'Start article ' button and it will create a page template for you and reserve your place in the queue . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:10, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

It's too soon even to put district info in commented out? Figure it's safe to take that route and uncomment after she wins. HangingCurve 01:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, HangingCurve. Yes, it is way too soon. The right time for such an edit is when the polls close in November. I agree that it is highly likely that she will win, but I oppose predicting that here on Misplaced Pages, even with edits that are not visible to readers. In my opinion, it is presumptuous and an indicator of advocacy. Please be careful. Cullen Let's discuss it 01:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

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Need help with an editor

Pvqnp940a (talk · contribs). The CIR is strong with this one, but if we can at least get him to use edit summaries and to accept input from others he might avoid a trip to ANI. Could you perhaps try to speak to him on his talkpage? He has so far responded negatively to contact from anyone: , , , , . I'm going to invite NeilN and Doug Weller as well. Softlavender (talk) 19:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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Regarding this edit: (1) Please stop talking about "the community" as if it consisted entirely of yourself and the people who edit at ANI. Those people are not the community. They are not even close to being a representative sample of the community. (2) To complain that any dispute keeps reaching ANI is to completely miss the point. The main problem is that the drama board exists in the first place. ANI is a disruptive forum. The very existence of ANI creates disruption that would not otherwise happen by providing a venue for it. The correct solution is to shut down ANI. Then there would not be a venue for this sort of thing. Problem solved. (3) I am completely fed up with your mishandling of this situation. James500 (talk) 07:11, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello James500. You are entitled to your fringe opinion that ANI discussion does not reflect the will of "the community" and you are also welcome to go to the community to request that ANI be shut down. But in favor of what alternative?

One year ago, I agreed (reluctantly) to put myself forward before "the community" at RFA. I was quite honored to be approved by "the community" to use administrators powers by a vote of 316 to 2, with 3 neutrals. I am not bragging but just stating that fact. Accordingly, "the community" has given me the power and the mandate to enforce community norms when I choose to use those powers in a controversy, guided by our policies as I interpret them.

So, feel free to try to convince me, with actual evidence, that my warnings do not reflect community norms. I am open to persuasion. Otherwise, I have nothing further to say to you on this matter. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:27, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

(tpw) James500 For what it's worth, I completely endorse Cullen328's warnings as the proper handling of this situation and reflects the consensus from previous discussions; if your idea of proper handling is to shut down ANI, might consider drafting a proposal at WP:VPR instead. Alex Shih (talk) 07:29, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Let's open an ANI thread on the subject! EEng 14:25, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Let's not and say we did, EEng. Cullen Let's discuss it 16:12, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Not wishing to pile on here, but in my experience Cullen328 is scrupulously fair and open, and is frankly the sort of quality admin that I merely aspire and hope to be. If ANI was closed, the discussions in it would still happen, but in an ad-hoc environment where it would be harder to gauge true consensus. Ritchie333 13:07, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

Dream and Hijiri88 are both valued editors who seem to have a personality clash. They are not children. Your threat to block them for a "very lengthy period of time" is out of line with what the community said at last nights ANI. If Hijiri88 continues to try to interact with Dream, the next step should be an IBan. Should you carry out your threat, then depending on the circumstances that lead any possible future ANI entry, it could be clear miuse of tools.

Hopefully the drama is now over, but if not, please leave handling it to others. As you endorse Cullen's heavy handed warnings, this goes for you too Alex Shih. Thank you.FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, FeydHuxtable. If these two editors are adults not children, then they will act like adults going forward as opposed to acting like petulant children. In that case, my warnings to both of them will be moot. If not, I will block either or both, based on my interpretation of the severity of the disruption. My warnings were not based on "last night's ANI" but rather a very long history of disruptive behavior by both editors. I disagree with you quite profoundly that I should leave enforcement to other administrators (although if they notice disruption and act before I do, that is fine with me). I will use my tools as I believe best for the encyclopedia and will not be deterred by editors who are inclined to coddle disruptive behavior. I suspect that Alex Shih feels much the same, though that adminstrator can say whatever they wish. Thanks anyway. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. FeydHuxtable, the community is governed by policies and behavioral guidelines, not personal opinions. If you disagree with Cullen328, myself or any other administrator's assessment of consensus and handling of disruptive editing behaviours, you are more than welcome to express your opinion and solicit comments at the proper venue. Alex Shih (talk) 08:13, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Your message to another editor

Your message to Hiri is apparently being ignored by him and he is now asking me for definitions on my Talk page of what "personal attacks" mean at Misplaced Pages. When he previously contacted me on this I referred him to the definition which you provided him in your message to him yesterday but that is not enough for him. He is now continuing to ask me further questions on this same issue again. Could you glance at this link and mention to me the best path to take, since I do not think that I should engage with him any further on this matter having already quoted your reply to him here: . JohnWickTwo (talk) 23:47, 6 July 2018 (UTC)