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| :And if you want to do that, since they regularly get either a consensus to keep or a no-consensus-keep on AfD, get a consensus to merge them, rather than trying to sneakily do it on a not-heavily-watched page. We had a discussion about this with regard to Australian Westfields recently, and the proposal was duly rejected; I very much doubt you could get a consensus to do it globally. Furthermore, many of the centres you tagged had clear claims to notability, such as being the largest centre in said state. ] 04:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | :And if you want to do that, since they regularly get either a consensus to keep or a no-consensus-keep on AfD, get a consensus to merge them, rather than trying to sneakily do it on a not-heavily-watched page. We had a discussion about this with regard to Australian Westfields recently, and the proposal was duly rejected; I very much doubt you could get a consensus to do it globally. Furthermore, many of the centres you tagged had clear claims to notability, such as being the largest centre in said state. ] 04:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :: Though I agree that some shopping centres which have claims to being (for example) the largest centre in the country, do have some claim to notability, I think that most don't. For example: ] and ], neither of which, in my opinion, has any claim to fame per ]. I recommend that these types of articles be merged into a master list somewhere, or possibly into the articles about their respective communities. --] 05:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | :: Though I agree that some shopping centres which have claims to being (for example) the largest centre in the country, do have some claim to notability, I think that most don't. For example: ] and ], neither of which, in my opinion, has any claim to fame per ]. I recommend that these types of articles be merged into a master list somewhere, or possibly into the articles about their respective communities. --] 05:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::: What on the earth is the benefit of this scorched earth policy? Westfield Bondi Junction is a massive shopping centre in Sydney which gets up brought often in the press - though I've never been there, I'd certainly say it's notable. ] 23:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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It's my understanding (and this is supported by Westfield's own web site) that Hornsby was the first Westfield to be built. See http://www.westfield.com/corporate/about/history/index.html
Not Exactly - It's their first enclosed center as they exist today, and deserves that title, but there was a earlier open-plaza type development in Blacktown. Westfield Hornsby (My Local Westfield) today retains none of it's first incarnation, it was bulldozed in 1999 for a long overdue rebuilding. --210.84.33.90 11:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Decision to drop "Shoppingtown" came earlier than June
See these grafs (http://sptimes.com/2005/06/01/Business/If_you_didn_t_call_th.shtml) from the St. Petersburg Times:
Westfield Group has stopped calling its U.S. malls "shoppingtowns."
The Australian developer, which drew a lot of attention with the unusual monicker when the company made landfall in the states three years ago, began phasing it out May 1.
And this chunk (http://search.starnewsonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050427/COLUMNIST07/204270317&SearchID=7323073377675) from the Wilmington-Star News, dated April 27 (which would make the "Sunday" mentioned fall on May 1:
WHAT'S IN A NAME: Not "Shoppingtown," after Saturday. Westfield Shoppingtown Independence mall in Wilmington will shorten its name to Westfield Independence beginning Sunday.
The Australian-based property management company manages 126 shopping malls in four countries. The company has decided that "Westfield," is the brand name consumers use and recognize, said Chuck Willetts, marketing manager at the Wilmington mall.
All the Westfield properties are slated for the name change, but don't expect signage to change immediately. Mr. Willetts said signs would reflect the new name only when they need replacing.
So we have a decision that seems to be effective May 1. I went digging on Westfield's corporate site for a press announcement to confirm, but currently half or more of the internal links on the site do not work. Hurrah for them!
Actualy, the name drop came even earlier in Australia - Some time between 1999 and 2001, as Westfield Hornsby came back from it's development Shoppingtown less. --210.84.33.90 11:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
The photo in the article was taken in 2005 and still clearly says Westfield Shoppingtown.--Garrie 02:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
'Historical' Malls
This is silly: "a practice that has been universally criticized in the U.S. as taking away from the historical importance of many malls". Are we seriously saying that 'everyone' in the US criticised Westfield for calling its malls shoppingtowns because of the historical importance of the former malls on the site, malls which only date back to the 60s and 70s? Lisiate 21:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I too read this comment with some surprise. 220.233.169.46 23:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Are there any published articles, commentary, etc. that show that the name was criticized? I would suppose that some people would indeed think that a mall name has "historical importance" (although I might not personally agree), but unless there is some actual evidence of this, perhaps we should just drop this phrase or re-write it. Captadam 16:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Eastridge Mall in San Jose, California
I don't believe Westfield owns this one...Ranma9617 21:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. If you look at the Eastridge Web site, it clearly states the mall is owned by General Growth Properties. --Coolcaesar 22:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- I removed it. --Steve Pucci | talk 16:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I work for Westfield. The Company does not own Eastridge, it is a General Growth Property.
Actually Westfield does own a mall called Eastridge, it's just not the one in California - it's in Gastonia NC, about 20 minutes East of Charlotte North Carolina.
Westfield Today / Criticism
- Recently, Australia’s most respected public affairs television program reported that Westfield’s CEO was forced to apologize for a series of clandestine campaigns against corporate rivals
Was that Today Tonight, or A Current Affair? Sorry, that was tounge in cheek - but seriously, what show was it? When was it, because the edit has been there "too long" to leave it as Recently. --Garrie 02:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- - ABC news item with tenant complaint on high rents and forced fitouts in the ACT--Golden Wattle 20:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Retail Space
32 Trillion square metres is a very large area. There are a million square metres in a square kilometre and a trillion is a million times a million, so this means the area is 32 million square kilometres. According to wikipedia, this is about the size of the land area of Russia (17,098,242 square Km), Canada (9,970,610) and India (3,287,2632). It is also bigger than the continent of Africa (30,370,000 Square Km).
Too many articles
I recommend that we not have an article on every single shopping mall, unless such mall is notable on its own. Perhaps we need a "List of Westfield malls" page? --Elonka 03:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- And if you want to do that, since they regularly get either a consensus to keep or a no-consensus-keep on AfD, get a consensus to merge them, rather than trying to sneakily do it on a not-heavily-watched page. We had a discussion about this with regard to Australian Westfields recently, and the proposal was duly rejected; I very much doubt you could get a consensus to do it globally. Furthermore, many of the centres you tagged had clear claims to notability, such as being the largest centre in said state. Rebecca 04:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Though I agree that some shopping centres which have claims to being (for example) the largest centre in the country, do have some claim to notability, I think that most don't. For example: Westfield Bondi Junction and Chatswood Chase, neither of which, in my opinion, has any claim to fame per WP:CORP. I recommend that these types of articles be merged into a master list somewhere, or possibly into the articles about their respective communities. --Elonka 05:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- What on the earth is the benefit of this scorched earth policy? Westfield Bondi Junction is a massive shopping centre in Sydney which gets up brought often in the press - though I've never been there, I'd certainly say it's notable. Rebecca 23:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Though I agree that some shopping centres which have claims to being (for example) the largest centre in the country, do have some claim to notability, I think that most don't. For example: Westfield Bondi Junction and Chatswood Chase, neither of which, in my opinion, has any claim to fame per WP:CORP. I recommend that these types of articles be merged into a master list somewhere, or possibly into the articles about their respective communities. --Elonka 05:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)