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*{{re|Nauriya}} Please answer the following question: Are you editing in a different country from the one in 2013?--] (]) 18:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC) *{{re|Nauriya}} Please answer the following question: Are you editing in a different country from the one in 2013?--] (]) 18:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Faizanali.007/Archive.


10 July 2018

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets


Similar to Faizanali.007, Nauriya was previously known as "Fushan007", seems to be a sock of Faizanali.007, given the similarity in their names there are many other similarities. Nauriya is a suspicious account that often engages in copyright violations and these days he has been probably proxying for a topic banned editor for feuding with those with whom he never interacted before.

Reading the contribution of Nauriya, I find him to be a sock of Faizanali.007 along with these other editors.

  1. Faizanali.007 was blocked on 30 May 2013.
  2. Salarsikandar.81 was created on 19 July 2013 and blocked on 9 October 2013.
  3. Tabraiz.18 was created on 10 October 2013 and blocked on 14 October 2013
  4. Nauriya aka Fushan007 was created on 6 December 2013.
  • First edits of these accounts including Nauriya were creation of user page and talk page, something that UPE socks always do. Their first edit to userpage and talk page provides same meaning:
Nauriya's first two edits.
Tabraiz.18's first two edits were also creation of userpage and creation of talk page.
Same with Salarsikandar.81.
  • "This is my User page" (Nauriya)
"this is my talk page" (Salarsikandar.81)
  • The timeline of these accounts editing same articles and making same edits is significantly listed by this link of the history of 1st Hum Awards where Faizanali.007 edited much but had his most edits suppressed due to copyvio, and after the block on this editor every other suspected socks including Nauriya joined this article, depending on the timeline and life span.
  • Using same upload summary:
"This the poster of Pakistani drama serial Numm, the copyright is completely observed and hold by Geo TV" (Salarsikandar.81)
"This the poster of Pakistani drama serial Shehr-e-Zaat, the copyright is completely observed and hold by Hum TV" (Nauriya)
  • Using same image description:
"This is a Television release poster of Hum TV drama serial Mohabbat Subha Ka Sitara Hai 2014, all copyrights are holded by Hum TV and Moomina Duraid Production(Moomal Productions). - Nauriya
"This is a Television release poster of Geo TV drama serial Numm 2013, all copyrights are holded by geo tv and Agha Talish Production. - Salarsikander
There is no word like "holded" neither 't' of 'television' is capitalized.
  • I find this shouting by creating the talk page and writing some words in all caps to be rare:
  • Salarsikandar.81 created Sania Saeed with an infobox and Nauriya updated that infobox.
  • Sometimes gives large edit summary by writing words in caps.
  • Faizanali.007 and Nauriya modified image parameter of Fawad Khan.
  • Faizanali.007 added "Infobox award" for Noman Ijaz while Nauriya added multiple awards.


@Nauriya: You are aware of the relevant policies on multiple accounts, you were blocked on Tabraiz.18 for sock puppetry, still you have highly evaded scrutiny by editing same articles and engaging in the same severe policy violations as those blocked accounts. On other two accounts, you were blocked for your copyright violations that you have continued with this account. You are not blocked for proxy abuse. Things like these maybe banned for access in China, but its a crime in China to bypass the censorship. Given how much China has been cracking down on VPNs and proxies, I don't think you were able to edit from China with a proxy. You could make up a better story if you had researched a but little more. Even if your superficial claim that you have committed that crime in China is believed upon, your actions still violate the policy on accessing multiple accounts.

I agree that I filed this SPI because you appear to be an obvious disruptive sock as you filed a spurious AE report against an editor you don't even know and the most spurious SPI against me and other established users that you don't even know about. You are still acting like a disruptive sock with these comments. Read WP:ALLSOCKS. Sorry, no one will consider your SPI that you have filed, it should be better deleted as an attack page or patent nonsense. Admin shopping is also unhelpful.

Reveal the entire truth. Tell us here that who told you to file those spurious SPIs? It is obvious than 1+1=2 that you can't file any of those SPIs with your understanding and you can't become familiar with those editors to that degree overnight, as your own highly unrelated history with those editors and your grasp of English speaks volumes when it comes to the filing of those spurious SPIs.. Lorstaking (talk) 08:26, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

  • @Nauriya: You have edited every single month of 2014 and 2015, you never left Misplaced Pages and to claim you "came back at the end of 2015" is clearly another attempt to deceive others. You haven't even detailed that which account of yours was blocked for using proxy just like you are yet to detail that how you could use proxy from China. Do you adamantly believe that I or anyone else would be convinced that you became capable of filing spurious SPIs like SheriffIsInTown yet you can't even sign or finish your ungrammatical sentences ("on it more accurately.l" )? In place of being honest you have just made your own case worse and obstructed any chances of potential unblock in the long future. Lorstaking (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Bbb23: With the misleading comments where he claims that he was blocked for using proxy, he was inactive during 2014-until 2015 end, etc. Nauriya has been dishonest so far in this SPI.

Would you count the harassment below as "disruption", where he says "Unlike the filer I am not involved in any disruption or abuse of multiple accounts"?

Here is more evidence of his disruption:

  • Continued infringement of copyrights in large chunks even during this year.
  • Filed spurious ARE report against Adamgerber80, alleging IP and him of vandalism contrary to WP:NOTVAND. Nauriya never interacted Adamgerber80 ever before, neither he edited ARE before.
  • Contributes in an SPI by making false accusations of sock puppetry against two editors whom he never interacted before.
  • Filed an SPI against established editors like RaviC, Orientls, Sdmarathe and including me, contrary to WP:ALLSOCKS and that SPI should be deleted as patent nonsense or attack page. Nauriya never interacted me or any of these editors ever before.

Nauriya never edited any SPI before recent times except one in 2016. So what really made Nauriya so interested in SPIs that he is acting so recklessly and feudal against those editors who never even interacted him per their own admission ("no previous interaction")? Also compare the English language skills used in the ARE, and the SPI with the English of Nauriya that he used here.

It looks like Nauriya has been making edits for someone else who has been in feud with these editors for years but asks Nauriya to help him harass other editors in violation of WP:MEAT and I can substantiate that with more evidence.

With accordance to the existing policy, Nauriya deserves to be blocked for abusing multiple accounts and enforced to use his main account with some restrictions. Lorstaking (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

  • @Abecedare: Nauriya is continuously evading those questions and not addressing the copyright violations or proxying that you asked him to address. If you are willing to investigate further into this matter I can substantiate this concern of proxying with more proper evidence since it is shared by enough editors. Lorstaking (talk) 07:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Abecedare: Seems like Nauriya is not willing to reveal regardless of numerous requests.

I have observed that recently there has been a series of purely spurious and retaliatory SPI filings; a certain group of accounts are being spuriously alleged of sock puppetry by the accounts with whom they have never interacted before; in fact these never seen accounts have never, ever filed an SPI before SheriffIsInTown was topic banned and had his appeal on WP:ARCA rejected on 7 June.

I am mentioning SheriffIsInTown because it is evident to me that he is behind all these SPIs. If others remember, he had filed an SPI against Capitals00 where it was as obvious as 1+1=2, that those accounts were not related. However, SheriffIsInTown's real motive was to retaliate as results of Siachen conflict were changed to "Indian victory", and blocking of a familiar editor FreeatlastChitchat.

As mentioned somewhere else (AE), it has been already a serious issue for certain nationalists that the results of the battle articles now show "Indian victory" on Kargil War, Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, Lahore Front. (Pakistan Defence forum)

This on-going WP:ALLSOCKS mentality is frowned upon. Out of these three filing editors (Obaid Raza, Nauriya, مھتاب_احمد), Nauriya is the only one to have ever edited any SPI before; but that too only once, in 2016, and it concerned an editor who is wholly unrelated to his latest targets, we have agreed that he lacks any interaction with RaviC, Orientls, and Sdmarathe.

Just because SheriffIsInTown can't file the SPIs himself, he has been asking others to file SPIs for him.

The general attitude of SheriffIsInTown is also apparent in the SPIs filed by other accounts, though since this SPI only concerns Nauriya, I would mention him:

SheriffIsInTown treats CheckUsers to be dishonest or simply incapable of determining sockpuppetry. He resorts to demanding blocks based on behavior with relations to his SPIs, no matter how spurious SPI is:

  • SheriffIsInTown: "please evaluate the behavioral evidence as there is a plethora of it in this SPI even if the CU comes out negative"
Nauriya: "CU is necessary but a negative result on CU does not preclude the possibility of sock puppetry. I strongly advocate a study of the behaviour here too."
  • SheriffIsInTown: "he was segregating the devices at that time as well and now this newer sock got away as well because he is segregating the devices the same way he did when he was using Astral and KW both at the same time. Someone ought to evaluate the evidence.."
Nauriya: "Its possible some technicalities may be missed by Checkuser because of device segregation. Which is why there needs to be a behavioural evaluation."
  • "MapSGV is likely a sleeper account" (SheriffIsInTown)
"Sdmarathe and Orientls, are his sleeper accounts" (Nauriya)
"These sleeper accounts exist to support each other" (Nauriya)
  • "the master and the other two, Sdmarathe and Orientls" (Nauriya)
"the master and two other puppets" (SheriffIsInTown)
  • "the possibility that each of the socks are using separate devices"
"strong possibility that user was using multiple devices"

SheriffIsInTown and Nauriya never edited Kargil War, but they are concerned about it:

  • Nauriya:
SheriffIsInTown:
  • "KW was also obsessed with Kargil War, see his last edit and MBL is as well."
  • "this is the edit which led me to check issues related to Kargil War article which led me to KW."

The big differences in English is already noted and the level of familiarity with the SPIs and the particular set of editors and share same characteristics as SheriffIsInTown by continuing his feud only after SheriffIsInTown was topic banned from this subject (conflicts between India and Pakistan). The style is same, filing SPIs with many diffs, much speculation and the way of presenting the evidence is harassment. I find the connection to be strong. Lorstaking (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Bbb23 and Abecedare: I knew this was going to happen already. Hence I had saved this comment for substitute. Having a look at this sock farm Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/International_Editor_Shah/Archive. There, Spacemanspiff has said "This is a very weird one, the real master appears to be Faizanali.007." Behavioral evidence also match up. Right now I am not using my home computer but I have similarities saved there but I will be back with them soon if needed. Lorstaking (talk) 18:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. All I can say in my defence is that I have been assessed for all these accounts. And they were all when I barely knew Misplaced Pages in 2013. After that I did get blocked for uploading images (copyright issues) and using proxy, because I was in China, where everything is blocked and was given a proxy exemption. Since I learnt Misplaced Pages policies and procedures, I have never been involved in any conflict or edit warring. I have created over thousand articles with this account and never had any problem. My last account which I created is the same as this one because I requested a name change. And since then I have never used or accessed any other account. You can check my history, look into it and you will know. There is nothing to hide or any thing wrong so I will contest this till end for what I have worked so hard to built over five years. I had a rough start but since then I have done nothing but to contribute to this platform with my fare share of efforts, unlike others.

The only reason I see this SPI is because the filer himself is suspected of current meat puppetry/sock puppetry which I reported. This is a retaliatory SPI. So I request admins to look into my accounts and then decide for themself. Unlike the filer I am not involved in any disruption or abuse of multiple accounts. Nauriya Let's talk 10 July 2018, 09:18 (UTC)

I am not lying, it was back in 2013, you can see these accounts were created in 2013 and I came back at the end of 2015. I was using paid VPN and I did not used it just for Misplaced Pages, I used to it access Google and other sites as well.And I dont know how I can prove that. As much as I admit my mistake I didnt knew at that time for using multiple account policies. And regarding SPIs, this is me as well. Sometimes it is for the sake of Misplaced Pages only not our personnel grudge. It is Misplaced Pages, not India-Pakistan hate platform. When I saw such discussion I was prompt to look into the issues and thats why I did it. This is Misplaced Pages, thats why I dont engage in personal editing rather I approach for neutrality. And the paragraph I wrote in my defence which you pointed out the difference in English, I wrote it through my phone, and I wrote in circumstances when I was not expecting this, I read it again I added things later, if it were on my computer I would be more careful (this edition is also after saving this comment) The issue here is my account, I have worked on it very sincerely. And I will not lie about it. I wish I knew more about the policies back then but once I had this account, my focus shifted drastically to work on it more accurately. Nauriya Let's talk 10 July 2018

Would that count as I hide this or abuse through multiple accounts? I didn't lie back then, I won't lie now. As I said, these were when I didn't knew the policies, although I was warned, as it may appears in his history of those accounts. Acknowledging something I did out of not having enough guidance back in 2013, I regret that I should have asked for help. I did not know back then the right way of editing, and familiar with Misplaced Pages policies and to that I can only ask for your pardon. We all make mistakes, and I learned from mine, as you can see my history for past five years how I have evolved and edited this platform. I assume good faith and nothing else, I ask for clemency in this case as it is all in the past and I didn't knew it could have come like this. Nauriya, Let's talk 17:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

  • I read the talk page of Nauriya to be full of warnings of copyright violations and deletions of his copyright violations, the very same reason for which he was blocked on these socks. That's gross disruption and copyright violation is the worst violation on Misplaced Pages. I would also bring the SPI that Nauriya filed against me and other editors in good standing, which is nothing more than a personal attack. Nauriya never had any interaction with me and other editors who he has been fighting by filing these baseless reports whether here or WP:AE. Nauriya is a total net negative. Sdmarathe (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I never said that I am an excellent editor of Misplaced Pages, and may be my English is inadequate as well, but as far as telling the truth here, my concern is that this SPI is filled for something that happened five years ago and as I admit my mistake, you can follow my edits and see for yourself that once I started getting to know how to edit here, I was never accused of misconduct. To answer some questions, using internet in China is extremely difficult specially accessing Google and search engines that are blocked in China. And yes I created all those accounts using proxy, specially last one when I was given IP exemption in 2013 to use Misplaced Pages on VPN. My edits may be seems here and there and as I said, I stayed in China, till the end of 2015. Yes even after creating this account (in 2013 as well) I uploaded images that were copyrighted and time to time later they were removed as well, but I was never blocked, nor warned for blocking. Ad as time went by, I did get back on track. My only mistake perhaps is that If I knew, I should have report to administrators before creating the last account, and for that I can not undo time and ask for that. Regarding this SPI, I throughly read everything and then I filled for it. My language here is always neutral, and yet you are counting it as harassment? Looking at your comments, it seems you all are on me, for reporting you here, and doing everything possible to block me, even when things aren't related to this subject, and I wasn't certainly personnel, when reporting here. Is it that hard to find the real objective here that SPI is out of personnel grudge on ongoing dispute over India-Pakistan related issues. Not everything is for fight and personnel vendetta, and everyone is trying hard to find my english similarities to reason this SPI. This is Misplaced Pages, where edits are made on mutual consensus, and not on just personnel grudge. If I filed for SPI, wait for administrators to look in the evidence, if they find anything suspicious of course decision will follow accordingly, and if you are true, of course this will be declined and I have no objection on that. But instead I was reported for something that I was already dealt with, and I didn't hide anything and even now I don't deny anything related to those accounts. And phrases like these "Nauriya is a total net negative" doesn't that count as harassment? Nauriya, Let's talk 21:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

You have proven enough times that you don't understand that your false allegations of sock puppetry against other longstanding editors constitute harassment. There are more reasons to acknowledge that your conduct is very problematic and concerning. It is not an innocent mistake when you're intentionally socking after having a block for sock puppetry on your previous account. It's very simple that you socked already after facing the consequences. Your ARE report against Adamgerber80 not only lacked any merit but it was botched and you notified User:Icewhiz of this report by considering him as the reported user.
You have been engaging in WP:BATTLE against those editors that have never interacted you or vice-versa. I was myself surprised to see that you filed an SPI against me - not because your SPI was meaningless but it was because I lack any interaction with you. I was willing to reply until I understood from this SPI that you are a sock yourself. It is clear that those reports were given to you for filing. As already mentioned here, the display of your proficiency in English is below average, whereas your English in your recent SPIs is far better. Would you like to inform us where you collected all the wiki jargon seen in those SPIs?
Your messages here reveal that you are ignorant even about the very basics of Misplaced Pages despite your half a decade of sock puppetry. Sorry Nauriya, I really can't buy your unconvincing explanations because they are misleading.
Have you counted your image uploads on English Misplaced Pages? Since your creation of "Nauriya", about 52/118 of your image uploads were deleted due to copyright violations. That's a large degree of copyright violation and shows you lack the understanding of policies, especially copyrights which is comparable to the past socks.
If you don't see any problem with your disruption then your WP:INCOMPETENCE is too concerning in addition to your sockpuppetry and copyright violations, both of which are treated as the most severe violations are evidently long-term and recurring. --RaviC (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • When Nauriya says "I never said that I am excellent editor of Misplaced Pages, and may be my English is inadequate as well, he is definitely telling the truth. (I have looked through his past edits to make sure.) But this comment he posted on 26 June is not his. It is written by some one with English as their first language, and who speak it on a daily basis. Not only is it grammatically correct, but it is full rhetorical flourish (My Lord does the same, But the same edits?, and pretty much clears this case). Nauriya doesn't know a thing about IndianEditor or My Lord, or about the Kashmiri militants he was supposedly complaining about. Nauriya let himself be used by other editors with agendas. Multiple times, in fact. If he stops letting himself be used in this way, keeps his head down and does his work, he can be left alone. Perhaps a short block is in order in any case, to drive the point home. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:48, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Nauriya, your editing has been a combination of sock puppetry, copyright violations and meat puppetry that comes along with personal attacks. It is not "administrators to look in the evidence", it is you who should not harass other editors from the start but you are claiming that you will continue increasing unnecessary. Why you are not showing the evidence that you interacted any of these users? You are deliberately evading that important question. Above comment reads that you are also battling My Lord without any prior interaction. You are very incorrect with your view that "this SPI is filled for something that happened five years ago", because the SPI was filed as you are still evading block of your multiple accounts and still being disruptive. The right thing was to request unblock on any of those accounts after admitting the connection. Almost 50% of your uploaded images with this account were removed for copyright violations and you are falsely insisting that you never repeated any mistakes of previous account. I would say that when it comes to analyzing your conduct, the problems are just too many. This account should be indeffed per the policy and your main account Faizanali.007 should be used for editing after you have complied with WP:STANDARDOFFER. Sdmarathe (talk) 03:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
1. No there are none. Fushan007 and Nauriya are same accounts, as I requested name change and it was cteated on December 6, 2013. I have not logged in from anyother account, nor created or used proxy after 2015.
2. I am not commenting on anyone behalf, yes it is bit odd that suddenly I started intervene in such issues, but truth is that I have been reading these issues for longtime but never commented. But there has been edit warring going on and only in that response I reported these issue. And regarding difference in English I amy not have perfect all the time, but when I report I do take care of such errors and for that Mostly I have typo issues, when I post something from phone thats it. You can see 89th Academy Awards that I promoted to FLC to know my English. Also I am working 12 hours a day in shifts so when posting or commenting I admit that words and grammar are not appropiate but I will be carefull more next time. Yes I am careful already with the images. Mostly I just upload titles for series, and cover art.
3. And yes I intend not to repeat the mistakes again, where I was wrong I accepted that. This is all I can say. Other then that the decision is all yours. And as I said I will contest this till I have last hope. Because over years I have worked very hard for this. And this is something very dear to me, that I can't afford go in vain simlly. And I again apologize for not knowing enough to report my account issue. Nauriya, Let's talk 09:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Nauriya, your continued insistence that you didn't make those edits on some one's behalf makes it difficult for me to WP:AGF. I have seen your long-term edits. You edit non-controversial cultural topics and have done good work generally. India-Pakistan conflict is not your thing. But all your work will be endangered now. The puppetmaster of these edits will soon be identified and blocked. And, you will also be blocked as his meatpuppet. Now is your chance to come clean. Save yourself by telling us the truth. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:07, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Bbb23, Currently I am in different country from the one in 2013. Second, the new accusation is completely false. I am not Interantional Editor Shah, yes he was editing dramas & televison pages, and I barely had one time interaction with him. You can look into this section of my request asking him for some certain edits If I was him, why I would ask him for his cooperation? It is just that they are doing everything in their power to get me banned, I have already told you the truth, and confessed my mistake. I have only those accounts and they are blocked, since then I have not created nor used any other account except but this one. You are an administrator, you can run a checkuser or something which you have only access to know if its me or not. Nauriya, Let's talk 21:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

@Nauriya: Are you acknowledging that the three 2013 accounts were all operated by you? BTW, please WP:SIGN your posts.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

The only issue is whether Nauriya should be blocked for their socking and other disruption from five years ago. From my perspective, unless there's evidence of continuing socking or disruption, the answer would be no. Since 2013, Nauriya has made over 10K edits and has never been blocked for misconduct. I'm not impressed with their English, but if it permits them to edit constructively, even if their communication skills are subpar, I don't see that as blockable. Although it's a long time ago, I'd like to get some further input from the admins who blocked two of the three accounts (Mark Arsten isn't around): @Anna Frodesiak and Wizardman: --Bbb23 (talk) 15:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • (Saw related discussion at WP:AN and am commenting here to keep discussion in one place. If my comments would be better placed there, just let me know) I have three questions/comments for User:Nauriya:
    1. Are there any other undeclared accounts besides the ones listed at SPI? If those are all the ones (or other, that you now declare, are similarly long dormant), I agree with with User:Bbb23 that socking would be too far in the past to be a concern, and a block now would be purely punitive.
    2. Can you comment on User:Kautilya's note above about apparent proxying for other users, ie editing on their behalf? This would be a concern, especially if those users are among the banned LTAs that abound in this topic area.
    3. You really needs to be more careful about uploading copyrighted images. For example, the most recent upload (on May 14 2018) appears to be a screenshot from possibly this Youtube video, and hence it would also be copyrighted as a derivative work.
Overall, I don't see a need for any immediate blocks as long as these issues are addressed and do not continue in the future. Abecedare (talk) 05:26, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Quick follow-up in order not to leave the case hanging: I have alerted the user to the DS sanctions applicable to the IPA area. Have deleted the obvious copyvio file (haven't examined the fair-use rationales for the other uploads). I find the explanation Nauriya offered regarding the apparent proxy edits to be unconvincing given the shift in both area-of-interest and language, but unless another admin wishes to weigh in (or, new evidence crops up), for now I would just leave it at a warning that greater scrutiny and less assumption of good faith is likely to be applied to their future edits. Abecedare (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Abecedare: I appreciate you taking the time to comment here. I'm not impressed with the rebuttal to your comments, particularly Lorstaking's latest wall of text that strikes me as more mudslinging than anything else. Closing with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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