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Template:Infobox Doctor Who character

I'm leaving a message here in hopes of a faster response. I realized that when Template:Infobox Doctor Who character is used it automatically makes the subheader Doctor Who character. The template accepts a |series = parameter however this does not work due to the current code in the template.

Template:Infobox Doctor Who character
Although the parameter says |series = Doctor Who and Torchwood it still comes out Doctor Who (example in first infobox on right). I may be wrong but wouldn't this be incorrect for any characters that appear in spin-off's? (Examples: Rhys Williams (Torchwood), Clyde Langer, etc.) Although those characters exist in the Doctor Who Universe they never appeared in Doctor Who itself. I created a sandbox for the template and changed the code

from: |subheader = {{#if:{{{multiple|}}}|'']'' characters|'']'' character}}
to: |subheader = {{#if:{{{multiple|}}}|{{{series|}}} characters|{{{series|}}} character}}.

The above code change appeared to fix the issues (example in second infobox on right).

Template:Infobox Doctor Who character/sandbox
Anyways, realizing I got a little long-winded above, should the infobox be changed to accommodate the issues raised above? TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm very on and off Misplaced Pages at the moment (as can be seen by my contributions), so I promise I'll take a look at it when I can. -- Alex 03:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Take your time, there's no rush. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@TheDoctorWho: Back to this. Great suggestion! I've updated the template, with a minor tweak to your code. It now uses

|subheader    = {{#if:{{{multiple|}}}|{{{series|'']''}}} characters|{{{series|'']''}}} character}}.

This is so that if |series= isn't defined, it automatically sets to Doctor Who. Just make sure that when using |series=, it's properly linked and italicized, just like your second example. Cheers. -- Alex 02:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll update any characters that don't have the |series= defined as I notice them. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@TheDoctorWho: No problems! While you do that, I might help out and go through and clear out the ones that explicitly use |series=Doctor Who, so that it automatically sets to Doctor Who (as the parameter is needed just for those of multiple series or a non-Doctor Who series). -- Alex 04:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Quick question before I get too far into this: At which point do we want to include multiple series in the parameter? Do we only want to include it if it was a main/starring role in both series, if it was main role in one series and recurring role in the other, or include one-off guest appearances as well? TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:09, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd say the second one, where the character is at least a main role in one and recurring in the other. Definitely if main for both. Guest appearances don't really matter that much in the grand scope of things. -- Alex 04:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Noted, thanks for the advice. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Alright, as of now I've taken care of all main post-2005 companions (that I can think of off the top of my head), all SJA characters, and all TW characters. I intend on working on secondary and minor characters later when I have more time. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Doctor Who cast members

I've been looking at this article, and I was wondering if you knew what defined a character as starring or recurring/guest for the classic series, considering the opening titles did not list any actors? TedEdwards 21:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards, I think the universally accepted rule for what defines a recurring character is that they should have made at least four appearances in a single season. Any amount lower than that makes them a guest character. --Kailash29792 (talk) 04:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

It varies depending upon the season and the series; four episodes out of the upcoming Series 11's 10 episodes is far different to four episodes in Season 1's 42 episodes. Best to rely upon reliable sources that state what they are. -- Alex 13:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

So what about starring characters? What defines those in this article? TedEdwards 20:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Doctors and Companions mostly, I would assume. I'd suggest to a look at the individual season articles and see what's listed there. -- Alex 02:37, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Lack of cohesion between different shows pages?

Hey! Sorry to bother you with something like that, but since you're an experienced user with the TV series pages, I'd like your help with my issue, please. So, I added an episode table on Grand Hotel (U.S. TV series) with the info about the pilot episode and the second episode, as it was revealed by a main actor of the show via Instagram. BoogerD reversed my edits saying that we generally don't create an episode section until we have a premiere date and that Instagram is not a reliable source for that. Here is my question: how so?
On American Horror Story: Apocalypse, we created the episode section as soon as we got the confirmation that Paulson was directing an episode (and if I recall, we did something similar for Cult?). We also keep using Twitter and Instagram sources on the page. Yes, I know we replace them with media sources as soon as we can; but if we can't, we still use them if they come directly by the actors (which is the case here) and no other choice.
I thought it could be - maybe - something only allowed for "old shows", but on the A Million Little Things page, there is a table and a title via the Instagram of one of the actresses.
I'm getting really lost now... The shows pages do not seem to work the same at all... I just don't understand why on AHS or AMLT it would be okay to use social media sources, but not on Grand Hotel :S So, if you could help me, please, that would be really cool of you. Thanks! Lady Junky (talk) 05:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Lady Junky: Hey, glad to help. (No idea about Cult, I'm only following Apocalypse for my partner since she watches AHS.) Your edit to the page is completely acceptable. As I stated in my edit summary, there is no rule on adding a table only where there's a premiere date; the common practice is to add it once there are two cells of information available (e.g. title/date, director/title, writer/date, etc). The Instagram account is also verified, and thus is an acceptable source. The editor does not seem to be aware of this, and thus they should now know. -- Alex 05:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Really. I was really getting lost now ^^' Lady Junky (talk) 05:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Lady Junky: All good. I've made a few tweaks on the concerns of the other editor, such as the first episode not being explicitly titled "Pilot", and a production code of 102 not explicitly meaning the second episode, but it should be all good now. -- Alex 05:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I can get the issue with the production code. But, if you look at the pics released by ABC once the series was picked up, they called the first episode "Pilot" (here, just check the episodic pics). It should be enough, no? Lady Junky (talk) 05:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm checking the episodic pictures, but I can't see where "Pilot" is listed, can you point me to where? And it needs to specifically be titled "Pilot", not just called "the pilot". -- Alex 05:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I see it saying "Pilot", in the first picture of the "episodic" section if you click on the picture it says GRAND HOTEL – “Pilot” – Eva Longoria executive produces this bold... and so on as the caption of the photo. TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I see it now. It can be reimplemented, just with a note on where to see it on the page. -- Alex 11:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Reporting Joeymiskulin

Hey Alex,

I saw that you have been attempting to revert Joeymiskulin's numerous unexplained edits wherein he seems to be removing content for no reason. I feel as though we have exhausted attempts to speak with him and that he has every intention of carrying on an edit war. Any chance you might report him? I'd do it myself but I'm not particularly skilled in that area of Misplaced Pages. – BoogerD (talk) 06:11, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@BoogerD: Already reported to WP:AIV. Unfortunate when we get editors like these. -- Alex 06:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for being so swift. I mean, I feel like for me the main agitation is that it takes away time I could be spending doing something more valuable for the site. There's always a hundred different things I want to get accomplished on here each day but somehow "shenanigans" like these occupy so much time. I'm sure its a huge pet peeve for you as well. – BoogerD (talk) 06:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Just a heads up. The editor left a message on my talk page here: User talk:BoogerD#Edit warring on TV shows. Their message was this:

Hi. Sorry I appear to be engaged in an edit war, vandalizing articles about TV shows, which is very bad behaviour and I'm not going to revert them no more, so don't block me. Joeymiskulin (talk) 06:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thought you should see that. – BoogerD (talk) 06:20, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll: thanks for the repair

A note of appreciation for repairing the unsolicited rename of "Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" by Turkish20302 (and they had even put a trailing '.' in the name). This user seems new. But he/she has done several other renames. I wonder if they, too, need attention. And does this user need to be guided, educated, mentored, etc.? Feline Hymnic (talk) 08:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Feline Hymnic: No probs, I'm just a frequent contributor to RMTR. If there's any others, best to list it there. Cheers. -- Alex 11:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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Reverted edit on List of The Next Step episodes

You reverted my edit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_The_Next_Step_episodes&diff=855952838&oldid=855951845, citing that it was unsourced. The other series in the article are also unsourced. What source would be suitable to verify a TV show's listings?

You also cite "per WP:TV and MOS:TV, we only list airings in the series' origin country, not every other country first". I have read both WP:TV and MOS:TV and can't find any reference that says that listed airings must be in the series' origin country. The series that was removed (series 6) was aired first on the CBBC channel and not in Canada as was the case for the other series of the show. Please could you clarify which policy requires TV show airings to only be in the show's origin country, rather than the country that the episodes were first broadcast in. Tom29739 20:06, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

The other seasons have aired in the series' origin country, Canada, and therefore act as WP:PRIMARY sources for themselves.

Per MOS:TV#Release, when listing down broadcast details, can include: the original network or streaming service of release in the country of production (i.e. the British network for a British series such as Doctor Who, or the American and British networks for a co-production such as Sherlock); a change in network throughout the run, such as with Futurama; start and end dates; and discussion of technical data such as picture and audio format, when it is accompanied by critical commentary. This does not include details about other countries and networks.

Furthermore, As Misplaced Pages is not a television guide, do not include an indiscriminate list of every network that a series appeared on in countries outside the country of production. It does go on to state that Editors are encouraged instead to add noteworthy foreign broadcasts, if reliably sourced; for example, special cases such as an American series airing its finale first in France. As such, the episode table should only be added in sync with the series' broadcast in its origin country, Canada, and any early release on the season can be noted through prose in the parent article for the series.

Hope that clears things up. -- Alex 02:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)