Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 14:28, 7 November 2006

1. Archive

Old discussions

Cheema Sahib

Please do not make deletions, and statements like, “Cheema were never Hindus,There are no Hindu Cheemas. They were Buddhists.”

By you making these half baked statements, you are creating an unnecessary problem.

The facts are the Jats( howsoever you spell the name) have been spread all over from India upto and including central Asia, at least.

Over the last few thousand years, the Jats have followed various beliefs- initially Vedic, then Buddhist, Hinduism, Jain, Sikh.

When Islam came about and entered the Indian subcontinent, some also converted to Islam.

In other words they followed a variety of beliefs.

On the relationship to Hindusim:

As one example: Shiv(a) worship was widely prevalent in Bactria. The 'Kushans' Emperor Kaniska's coins depict this quite clearly. The Kushans are Jats.

Shiv(a) is a Hindu deity.

The Kushan period is dated to circa 200 BCE on.

We find the Vedic influence, spread into and upto the Central Asia- Bactria, Oxus, valley, Iran, Iraq. The Vedic period is traced back to 2500 BCE.

There is plenty of more evidence

Unless the 'Cheema' clan came with the Muslim Arabs, they would have followed the religions that existed in the NW India. Islam does not enter NW India until the 10th century or so.

If you wish to learn more about Jats, then try and go to a history discussion forum, dedicated to Jat History, like

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/

I am one the moderators there.

You are welcome to join, if you wish

Also try and read what is on the discussion page of the Cheema article

Ravi Chaudhary 16:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Transferred from ravi Chaudhary page

OK do you know any Cheema Hindus? you're just trying to imply that the Cheema clan also followed Hinduism when this is far form the truth, infact they were opposed to Hindus. This is an encyclopedia its supposed to document historical facts. We know there are Cheema Sikhs, and Cheema Muslims. We haven't and don't know about any Cheema Hindus and its pretty obvious why. Until you can provide evidence of Cheema Hindus the article is staying as it is. The Cheemas before Islam followed Buddhism, and then some converted to Islam, when they helped Muhammad bin Qasim conquer Hindu strong holds, and the main reason was the Cheema were being oppressed by the Hindu's and always opposed them and when the Arabs came they had the perfect opportunity to make strong alliances with the Muslim Arabs. Infact Jatt (Buddhist) a physician treated the prophet Mohammed's wife Aisha when she was not well, its documented by early Arab chroniclers. So the Jatts knew about Islam way before c. 695, many even settled in Madina as that was the center of trade at the time. So the Jatts were familiar with Islam, Arabs and their great conquest they were impressed and and converted to Islam out of free will, because they loved the concept of Islamic Jihad and how Muslims beat army's 3 times (Battle of Badr) their size so much.

--Street Scholar 11:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Mr Cheema

Are you suggesting the Cheema clan came to India with the Arabs?

If they were Buddhists before, do you have any evidence for the same?

There are plenty of similarities between Buddhist concepts and Vedic/Hindu concepts. Along with Jainism, they have always existed side by side, and intertwined with each other.

Have you studied any aspects of Buddhism?

Does your clan have any follow any Buddhist norms today?

Sindh where the first Muslim Arab/Indan wars occured, was a mix of Jats and non jats. They all followed various beliefs- Buddhism, Vedic, Jain, Hindu.

If your clan joined Mir Qasim( of free will or not) to fight the Indians( circa 700 CE) they were fighting fellow Jats, - who were Buddhists too, destroying their universities, and vihars( monasteries)- Vallabhipur, and Taxila( Takshashila) being two good exampples.

Is your Islamic identity getting the better of you?

You do need to sort your concepts out.

Let us keep this discussion on your page, I have put your page on watch.

If you wish to go deeper, I suggest you discuss this on the Jathistory group. That is what that forum is for, for serious discussion of Jat history.

Regards

Ravi Chaudhary 14:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Request

It was I who nominated the template Castes and Tribes of the Punjab. Some idiot has been fighting a revert war with me throughout the day today. The point on which his record is struck is that Abhira, Ahir, Gujjar, Gurjara, Kamboj, Kamboja, Khasa should come under the category of "Surviviung Kshatriya Tribes". My only objection is that if this happens then people belonging to other groups such as Khatris and Rajputs will also ask to be grouped under the Kshatriya category. This in turn could lead to a caste war, the type of which we saw on the Khatri and Rajput pages. Thus I am only proposing that "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya tribes" be changed to just "Ancient tribes". But the other person refuses to listen. He says that it should be written as he desires or the template should be deleted. I agreed to delete. That is why I nominated the article for deletion. I even wrote the reason at the bottom of that particular version:"Template is divisive and inflammatory."

Please tell me your view. Rajatjghai 17:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to women, are considered vandalism as you have been warned about before. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks.

Islamic Barnstar Award

Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.--JuanMuslim 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Info on Islamophobic group

Hello,

What follows are the thoughts, expressed in their own words, and in the 'protest signs', of the obscure, very small, but very vocal 'activist group' known as "Protest Warrior".

"What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something."

Kfir Alfia and Alan Lipton, founders of "Protest Warrior"

Their 'protest signs'...

Signs

I thought you might be interested in this group's sentiments. They are currently very actively editing their own article on Wiki and there is a lot of 'group think'. Perhaps you might want to become involved in the editing and discussion process on that page. If you do, please don't vandalize, and try to remain civil. Should you not want to involve youself, please forgive my intrusion.

Protest Warrior

Protest Warrior Discussion

NBGPWS 09:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Images

When uploading images, please follow the rules written in big letters on the upload page. Copyrights are not a joke. Mukadderat 16:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am talking about Image:Normaswordsi.jpg. Do you really want it deleted? If you made the photo yourself, please write so. Mukadderat 16:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

And also Image:Baktar Shikan ATGM.jpg It is copyrighted by PakistaniDefence.com . Are you PakistaniDefence? Mukadderat 16:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

If you think I am funny with you, please read wikipedia:Copyrights and wikipedia:Image copyright tags for more fun. Mukadderat 16:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

sword pics

The pictures of the swords, are they from Topkapi museum? --Irishpunktom\ 17:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Fake Sword

Probably bought at a flea market now Muhammads own sword? I dont think so! Three people now asking you, so far NO answers! Where is the picture from and how are you knowing its Muhammads?Opiner 07:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Accusing other users like Street Scholar is disrespectful and not civil. They can be considered a personal attack. Such accusations damage your own reputation and also create conflicts. I would request you to be more respectful concerning other users' edits that you find biased or in any other way unpleasant. Mar de Sin 19:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops sorry, wrong person! Mar de Sin 19:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Sexism

A per this diff, please be aware that such comments have no place on wikipedia, being as they are derogatory and offensive.

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Crimsone 20:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

• As per WP:ANI, has been resolved and can be considered closed. Assalaamu' Alaykum, --Crimsone

Disruption

I had planned to suggest you (and everyone else) avoid commenting on other people as individuals, whether about their gender, ethnicity, or religion. I was going to say, "comment on content, not on other people." But I am afraid this is over the top. Unless you are prepared to work on an equal footing with everyone who choses to edit here, then Misplaced Pages is not the place for you. Your remarks go beyond incivility into disruption, and if you continue to make them it may be necessary to suspend your editing privileges. Tom Harrison 16:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Still a bit Dubious

I will check the references. If I find that they don;t exist and/or they have been mis-cited then I will begin RfA process accordingly.Hkelkar 16:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the link. The Centre of "Islamic Studies" is obviously partisan and so not entirely reliable. If my University library attests to the existence and/or availability of the ref then good. Else, I wil get an affidavit from the chief librarian that the references cited are fake and submit it as evidence in the RfA.Hkelkar 16:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, not unlike the racist Muslim Caste system, eh? (Ashraf/Ajlaf, Sayyid, Mojahir,Quomiyat, Biradari etc.). I still intend to file an RfA on account of the fact that I don't trust the veracity of the "refs".Hkelkar 16:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The "scholarly" nature remains to be established.Hkelkar 16:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the personal attack. Now I have all that I need.Hkelkar 16:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and yes, there is a caste system in Islam per the Fatwa-i-Jahandari http://www.anti-caste.org/muslim_question/caste/bhatty_article.html.Hkelkar 16:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

And you know where the personal attack happened. You have been warned by admins before (see sections above) and action will be taken in accordance to your past behaviour.16:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

here making threats.

here against another user.

here earlier also.Hkelkar 16:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

As for the Muslim Caste system, the Fatwa-i-Jahandari has nothing to do with Hinduism as it was written by an Islamic Cleric Ziauddin al-Barani in a Muslim dominated area (Lahore). Plus, the al-Akhdham in Yemen (the Yemenese untouchables) are in a Muslim country not connected to Hinduism at all. Same with the Janjaweed in Sudan and the Abyssinian white muslims against the Abyssinian black Muslims.

Your accusations against Street Scholar seem a bit exaggerated, from the diffs that i can see. What threat? Mar de Sin 18:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.yemenmirror.com/index.php?action=showDetails&id=136

http://www.yementimes.com/99/iss01/l&d.htm

Dirty little secret, eh? Hkelkar 16:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

This is definitely a personal attack through an implied threat and a violation of many wikipedia policies such as WP:OWN and WP:NPA and a defensive response to a clear violation of WP:Reliable Sources, as I'm sure many admins will agree.Hkelkar 17:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing the tags that illustrate the partisanship and Dubious scholarly nature of a reference does not take away the facts. I have just emailed my university librarian who will attest that one of your two references do not exist, except in a yahoogroups webpage (hardly "Peer Reviewed"). As to the other ("A History of the Jats sorry, mistake I meant the UT Thakkur reference"). I see a copy in the library and I will read to verify if you are lying about the edits or not.Hkelkar 17:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

the disputed book on Talk:Cheema

I'd like to know if there's another way of obtaining the book you linked at Yahoo! Groups other than through that group. Could you let me know? - Che Nuevara 05:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, its not one file, the book is loads of sections in the files section on yahoo groups. They are translated works and are hard to find otherwise. Furthermore, some are in Hindi which you have to install fonts on your computer to read them. It would be best if you sign up or if you get get hold of the following books which are available more easily:

The point is that Yahoo! Groups is not a reliable outside publisher. The problem isn't the readability of the documents, it's the verifiability of them as authentic. See the problem? - Che Nuevara 15:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Discuss only content

In disputes on Misplaced Pages, discuss only the content of the article and how to improve the article. Do not make accusations or derogatory comments about other editors. —Centrx→talk • 18:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:521121427 m.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:521121427 m.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Pakistan Hackerz Club

I deleted it because it had been tagged for speedy deletion as being a non-notable group. While I'm still not convinced of the group's notability, I have restored the article. -- Merope 17:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a clear distinction between a notable event and notable people. The hacking of the site was notable; the people doing it are not. There are multiple non-trivial articles about the hacking, but not about the group. I think that the July 7 London bombings were notable, but the people who carried them out weren't. But this is just my opinion. I'll restore the other article.

Please do not make personal attacks (and, yes, misogynist statements to a woman are personal attacks). The GForce Pakistan article has no assertion of notability--it just says they're a group of eight hackers. Websites are not typically considered a reliable source, and so the groups being mentioned on them is not relevant. There are lots of websites that mention gaming clans, fanfiction, and bloggers, but that doesn't automatically make those things notable. You should re-read WP:BIO for an explanation of the notability of people. I will not restore that one as it clearly falls into WP:CSD#A7; you can take it to deletion review if you disagree. -- Merope 18:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Saying that a woman is always responsible for perpetuating ignorance is misogynistic--it shows that you don't respect women as equals. Characterizing them as shallow and illogical further confirms my attribution. Saying that you think I'm spreading ignorance because I'm a woman is a personal attack. You've had previous warnings about not being respectful towards other editors; please review WP:NPA (particularly the part that says "racial, sexual, homophobic, ageist, religious or ethnic epithets directed against another contributor" constitute a personal attack) and desist making such attacks. Users who engage in such attacks can be blocked from editing. -- Merope 18:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not a woman, but I'm certain according to Misplaced Pages policy edits like these are personal attacks. Please do not make them on Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Firsfron of Ronchester 20:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Neither am I a woman, but you give a bad name to men. Your argument is essentially that the fault is not with a woman's logic or reasoning, but is due to her gender. That is the definition of both mysogyny and an ad hominem fallacy. "I find misogynists' lack of depth and insight mind-boggling," because there is far, far more in this world that is relevant to the intelligence and rationality of a person than what's in their pants. Thinking that everything boils down to gender is a very shallow and uninsightful way of looking at the world. — Saxifrage ✎ 20:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

My love life would make you blush, so don't assume I need to play a stupid part to "get laid". Since I won't be able to continue this without violating WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA in a highly amusing but terribly improper way, I will just shake my head to myself that such illogical and ego-soothing worldviews still exist. — Saxifrage ✎ 16:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for personal attacks

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for disrupting Misplaced Pages by making personal attacks. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. -- Merope 17:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You're such a wise woman --Street Scholar 21:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't let the feminazis grind you down

I recognise satire when I see it - keep up the good work! Dave 23:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. You are a satirist, right?

Thanks for the heads-up Dave I'm not a satirist, but sarcasm is a concept which goes above the heads of the females, if you get what I mean. --Street Scholar 14:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude, you've just earned yourself a longer block. If you don't stop insulting other editors, you could be facing an indefinite block. -- Merope 15:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we should hold hands and sing: "kum by yaah" errm... yeah... "Kum by yaah my lord, kum by yah" happy now? --Street Scholar 18:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I will be happy when you stop disrupting Misplaced Pages and insulting other editors. -- Merope 18:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You should try to respect other peoples religious and cultural beliefs. Not everyone shares the same ethics and morals as you. I find it insulting, when you can't tolerate my beliefs. --Street Scholar 18:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a deep respect for Islam, and I think that Muhammad was a pioneering feminist. I do, however, find it hard to respect your beliefs, since they cause you to spout so much vitriol towards me and other users. However, your beliefs do not give you the freedom to insult other users. By participating in Misplaced Pages, you agree to abide by its rules, and Misplaced Pages prohibits gender-based attacks. If you don't like it, you can choose to stop editing. -- Merope 18:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking about about my cultural beliefs in particular not my religious beliefs.

And I am very plainly telling you that it doesn't matter. You're breaking WP rules. End of story. -- Merope 19:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying my cultural beliefs do not matter to you right? and therefore you don't respect them? is that right??? -- StreetScholar 19:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not respect your actions. Your beliefs are irrelevant. You have a week to think your actions over. To save myself from further stress, I will not be replying to you in further. Another administrator has offered to monitor the situation. -- Merope 19:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Put in another way, if wikipedia prohibits an action, regardless of personal beliefs it is prohibited and thus people don't do it. In yet another way still, personal beliefs are just that - personal. where they are likely to break rules or cause offence they should be kept to oneself. Where it is known that they DO break rules, and where those rules state that users are not to deliberately cause offence with insulting statements at all (let alone the specific statement of not doing on grounds of sex (or race, etc)), then those beliefs must be kept to oneself. If this is seen as unacceptable by somebody, then that person need not enter a community that has such fundamental rules in the first place --Crimsone 21:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

My actions are part of my belief so therefore you don't respect my beliefs. I don't believe that is very hard to comprehend. So when you don't respect my beliefs you break wiki policy.

"Misplaced Pages's contributors come from many different countries and cultures. We have different views, perspectives, and backgrounds, sometimes varying widely. Treating others with respect is key to collaborating effectively in building an (*) encyclopedia."

Misplaced Pages:Etiquette

(*) encyclopaedia. (I hate the other spelling someone should change it)

And am sure as hell I would be able to find more policies which you're violating. I find your comments insolent. And anyway I don't care if I get a permanent ban (also so don’t try to threaten me with a ban as that’s against another wiki policy), unlike you guys my life doesn't revolve around wiki. Wiki needs its contributors to work, not the other way around. I hope the "other" admin is not a female.

Crimsone, you make several good points conversely I consider you’re overlooking certain other points at the same time. Lets recapitulate; I was being chivalrous to Merope and asked her why she deleted some articles which I had started. And I later said something to the extent of: "it always has to be a female" how is that an insult? We (Jatts) frequently articulate things like this in Punjab and is not considered an insult it’s a structure of an expression furthermore it’s a factual statement I am making. As it was a female who deleted my pages without even notifying me. Now Merope is supposed to be an admin. I presume she went to the article saw it, didn't like it so she deleted it I'm sure as hell things don't work like that around here as if this was the case then there would be nothing on wiki. Now that I ask her some questions, she doesn't want to converse to me, she’s saving herself from “stress” what ever that means. It’s probably some secret words only women can deduce the true meaning of. So maybe you can enlighten me as to what she is really saying. --StreetScholar 13:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Street, I don't know how to put this any more bluntly- your repeated comments about female editors constitute personal attacks- if you have an issue about specific deletions then there are procedures to deal with those don't make comments about the editors race, religion, sexual orientation, height, weight, looks, ability to find a mate, etc. To use what might be a clear cut example, I could have a deepseated religious/cultural belief that anyone whose username started with the letter "A" must be a flightly idiot. I'm entitled to that opinion. I am not entitled to attack users on Misplaced Pages for their use of that letter as the first letter of their screename. As for the word stress, I suspect you know full well what the word means and used this simply as another opportunity to attack females, however, I will nevertheless attempt to define it in this context- Merope most likely means by "stress" the negative emotions associated with having to deal with you and your repeated comments about her and her gender. Now if I can make a recommendation: I suggest that from now on you use the "preview" button before saving your edits and if there is any comment in the edit about "females" or "women" as a general class consider whether that comment is constructive or at all helpful. JoshuaZ 18:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC) p.s. And no before you try to bring it up- I'm not female. JoshuaZ 18:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Street, I don't know how to put this any more bluntly- your repeated comments about female editors constitute personal attacks

According to Wiki I am. Not according to me or any other person who holds the same cultural beliefs as me. The issue is not that I don’t understand I am making personal attacks (according to wiki) it’s just that I don’t acknowledge them as personal attacks or attacks in general. Anyone can say anything is a personal attack. Wiki rules are pretty ambiguous how do you define what is a personal attack and what is not a personal attack?

if you have an issue about specific deletions then there are procedures to deal with those don't make comments about the editors race, religion, sexual orientation, height, weight, looks, ability to find a mate, etc.

OK what ever you say.

To use what might be a clear cut example, I could have a deepseated religious/cultural belief that anyone whose username started with the letter "A" must be a flightly idiot. I'm entitled to that opinion. I am not entitled to attack users on Misplaced Pages for their use of that letter as the first letter of their screename.

I presume you mean “flightily” right? And what if that person comes and deletes articles you had created without even giving you a reason isn’t that going to annoy you? I never meant to attack her (which is not an attack in my culture) she pushed me into it. I also actually have anger management problems, and I hadn’t taken my medication. So all I could see was red.

As for the word stress, I suspect you know full well what the word means and used this simply as another opportunity to attack females

Of course I do know what it means but speaking from experience some women talk in riddles sometimes.

however, I will nevertheless attempt to define it in this context- Merope most likely means by "stress" the negative emotions associated with having to deal with you and your repeated comments about her and her gender.

And how do you expect me to talk to her if she gets “stressed” easily and emotional? If she can’t take the stress then she should not be administrating wiki. I made the comments once and that was on her page, I asked her simple questions and she’s “stressed” how convenient and rude.

Now if I can make a recommendation: I suggest that from now on you use the "preview" button before saving your edits and if there is any comment in the edit about "females" or "women" as a general class consider whether that comment is constructive or at all helpful.

Being a generally genteel person, however, I always bite my tongue. In closing, we must work together to resolve our disputes without violence. --StreetScholar 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

All right. The reason this is causing me stress is not because I'm emotional. It is because I am tired of wasting my time explaining the rules to someone who is determined to break them. I cannot make this any simpler:

1. At Misplaced Pages, editors are prevented from making sexist remarks.
2. You have made sexist remarks.
3. Ergo, you have been prevented from editing Misplaced Pages.

Your personal beliefs do not matter in this situation. As you will notice, I have treated you with respect despite the fact that I disagree with you. You, on the other hand, have insinuated (or flat-out said) that I am ignorant, flighty, shallow, irrational, and unworthy of my role as an administrator just because I am a woman. Even though it is difficult, I have managed to be respectful to you, in keeping with the policy. That is what the policy you quoted means. It does not mean that we just ignore anyone who insults other users. A person who hates Christians is entitled to his belief; it does not mean he has the right to treat Wikipedians who identify as Christian contemptuously. As long as a person chooses to edit here, they agree to abide by Misplaced Pages's rules.

Since you refuse to reign in your personal attacks after the intervention of several editors, I have no choice but to file a request for comment. -- Merope 21:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Why ?

Why is it that you find it necessary to invoke your religious/cultural beliefs when showing bigotry ? You only succeed in making those Muslims who aren't bigots look bad. Jcam 04:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a practicing Muslim, furthermore my father is a Sikh and my mother is a Muslim I see myself I'm a agnostic. Everyone has different ethics and morals. For example where I come form in Punjab its uncommon for a female to wear a skirt she would be considered sexually promiscuous if she did. In the west this is not the case. Would it be right for me to call all those women who wear skirts in the west as sexually promiscuous? well to answer my own question no it wouldn't so who gives you the right to say I am showing "bigotry"? are you a racist? are you intolerant of others? if not, then don't use such terms. I can present to you another example, Hindu vegetarians believe those who eat meat are savage barbarians and have killed people on rumors of meat eating. Yet in the west this would be looked upon as absurd. Furthermore, I could quote many verses from different holy books such as the Bible, Qu'ran, Guru Granth Sahib, Torah, etc. Which hold the same beliefs as me, are you going to call these holy books "bigoted"? are you? --StreetScholar 11:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

My advice to you personally is this: With Misplaced Pages's GNU license, you implicitly have the Right to fork. You can take all 1,000,000+ articles(except maybe for those articles you might find offensive-such as the ones which imply women have rights), find a server somewhere, and start your own encyclopedia with your own rules (ie. women can't be administrators- maybe even ban women from editing all together !!!). Until that time, if you edit on this encyclopedia, you must obey its rules and respect all of your co-editors (which unfortunately for you and your belief system includes those without a Y chromosome). As for me being a "racist", if thinking a culture which finds women subservient to men is backwards and inferior to one which thinks men and women are equal, then go ahead and call me one. Yes, I suppose you could quote many scriptures which, taken out of context, could be used to support your viewpoint. Knowing your background above, I'm surprised that you are this way. Every Sikh man I've ever known has always had great respect for women(since a Sikh woman can become a Granthi, Ragi, or one of the Panj Pyare). And the fact your mother is a Muslim that married a non-Muslim (which is against Orthodox Muslim beliefs since women can only marry a Muslim while men can marry any "person of the book" ) shows great courage and a strong will. I'm surprised you seem so narrow minded. Jcam 15:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't matter am going on a holiday. Am not going to be around for a while am going back to Lahore for a few months. Also regarding my mother and father. Its actually a pretty interesting situation, as originally my father was a Muslim, he fell in love with my mom and requested her to convert to Islam (she was a Sikh at the time) and she did 15 years later he (my father) converted to Sikhism and my mom remind a Muslim, and still is. I believe what I believe. Which I am not going to say as then I'll get accused of being a misogynistic. In my culture for a guy to say what I say is not considered insulting or misogynistic. Any man made equality is inferior to the rules of god. --StreetScholar 18:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking

Given that you persisted in making personal attacks while you were blocked for that reason, I'm highly disinclined to unblock you. Feel free to file an WP:APB. -- Merope 13:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:1614927_gforce300.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:1614927_gforce300.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Misplaced Pages's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well.

For more information on using images, see the following pages:

• Misplaced Pages:Image use policy
• Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags

This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions. 06:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Pl do no attempt POV pushing and first read sources before editing. I have replied in the talk page, but you seem not to have read it. Idleguy 14:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)