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	:The page already has an RFM (Cabal) and several RFIs. What the page needs is direct administrator intervention and declining Thulean's vitimist PAIN demands that can only strenghen his position and scare off honest, estabilished, responsible wikipedians, like LSLM, myself or whoever happens to be next. --] 11:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)		:The page already has an RFM (Cabal) and several RFIs. What the page needs is direct administrator intervention and declining Thulean's vitimist PAIN demands that can only strenghen his position and scare off honest, estabilished, responsible wikipedians, like LSLM, myself or whoever happens to be next. --] 11:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	==={{User\|Jinxmchue}}===

	This is what said user posted on another board which he knows is read by the editor in question.

	''"No, Ben, you fat, hypocritical fuckface, I do not do the things you do. See, you actually have posted on DU in the past for the purpose of "drumming up supporters" for your biased agenda on Wiki. I never have and never will do the same here because I'm not a slimy shitweasel like yourself. Criticizing your sorry, bloated, shit-stained ass here is not "recruiting" people. It's proving over and over what a worthless excuse for a human being you are. In the immortal words of Vice President Dick Cheney, go "fuck yourself."'''

	See Not only is this user going WAY over the line, he's trying to drum up support on other forums in an effort to effect consensus on the ] article talk page. Since this was posted on another board, I'm not sure if or where I should post the NPA templates - but I ask for immediate action. - ] 19:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	'''Comment''' - My only comment here regarding this will be to direct everyone's attention - particularly NBGPWS' - to my response to his warning on my talk page: .

	'''Comment''' - Wow, I hadn't read this before now. I look at that site very infrequently, most recently when I suspected that Jinxmchue was recruiting meatpuppets from there, which he was. I hadn't (yet) re-visited that article to see that he had attacked me there. And I do consider this to be both an attack and meatpuppetry as several people have shown up from that board to join the discussion on the DU article. I have been nothing but polite with him over the present dispute. ] 20:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	*'''Comment''' Please keep your off-wiki issues off wiki. This is not a place to complain about peoples comments on other forums, I am sure they have administrators on that website and they are best suited to handle those issues. Further there is no way for us to verify here, that the user with that name over there, is actually the same user here. Again I ask you and everyone you seem to bump into to keep your DU CU drama off wikipedia and not come here asking for administrator intervention on issues on those forums, its just not appropriate. --]<s>]</s> 22:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	:*'''Comment'''; Your Conspiracy Theory that the poster Jinxmchue on CU may actually not be the same Jinxmchue as on Wiki is entertainingly conspiratorial - but improbable to the point of being meritless. Please read and absorb the following applicable section of WP: ''"Personal attacks elsewhere may create doubt as to whether your on-wiki actions are being conducted in good faith. Posting personal attacks or defamation off-Misplaced Pages is harmful to the entire community, and to your relationship with it."'' - Thanks - ] 22:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	:::Jinxmchue has admitted that he is the same person here as there. So that is not in doubt. ] 22:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	::::Again I reiterate, keep your off-wiki drama off wiki. There are administrators on those forums I would assume, complain to them and not here. Here he behaves and deosnt violate WP:CIVIL. The user has admitted to going to those forums just to vent, the fact that you both interact over there, should lead you to stay away from them here, not engage them here as well. Further its an obvious case of baiting there, so I would doubt you would come here asking for someone who vented off wiki be punished for venting off wiki, when they were baited off wiki. The idea is quite obsurd. Again you guys want to divide everyone into dems and republicans, do it elsewhere, tis not healthy here for the spirit of this project, nor is your bickering spreading from those forums here. --]<s>]</s> 22:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	::::: Then why raise the straw man argument here at all? That was an unworthy attempt to misdirect. ] 22:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	::::::I have no clue what you are talking about right now. I asking you and other posters of political forums, not to bring their drama to Misplaced Pages. I am not sure what is so complicated about this. You all argue over there and call eachother names and divide the world into two neat piles there. Here editors are worknig on a project to build an encyclopedia and do not need the division and name calling and all out drama. Again, please keep your off-wiki drama off wiki where it belongs. Misplaced Pages is not an extension of your battlegrounds. --]<s>]</s> 22:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	:::::::1) Jinxmchue started the thread on CU - nobody 'baited' him into viciously and profanely (especially for a self professed 'Christian') attacking Ben. 2) WP: ''"Personal attacks elsewhere may create doubt as to whether your on-wiki actions are being conducted in good faith. Posting personal attacks or defamation off-Misplaced Pages is harmful to the entire community, and to your relationship with it."'' - ] 23:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::What is so complicated about asking you people to keep your political drama off wikipedia. This project is about working together to write and improve articles, its a colaboration. Your off wiki drama spilling over from highly charged political forums, so highly charged that there articles talk pages become victims. Misplaced Pages is not an extension of the battle for you guys and noone is gonig to tolerate it becoming that. You want to spit on eachother, bait eachother, insult eachother, then do it there and not here, further don't come here complaining when you do the same on other forums, its destructive to the project here and the admins do not need to turn into admins of other forums as well. If you know he posts there and you post there, why would you continue to post on pages here he posts on, this continued drama is not appropriate here and only serves to make Misplaced Pages look worse. This is an encyclopedia, not an extension of your off wiki political battlegrounds, keep that garbage on those forums. --]<s>]</s> 23:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	::::::::Further what you are posting was created in spirit to ask people to be nice in general, not to become a weapon for wiki-lawyering, it was not created as a shield to hide behind while continuing political arm wrestling in other locations. --]<s>]</s> 23:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	:::::::::To further my point you seem to be leaving something out ''"Misplaced Pages acknowledges that it cannot regulate behavior in media not under the control of the Wikimedia Foundation"'' I see you left off the beginning half by accident. In any event, keep your CU DU drama on those forums, its bad enough the articles talk pages here have become battlegrounds, its not appropriate for the rest of Misplaced Pages to turn into one. This project is about colaboration, not division. --]<s>]</s> 23:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	*This is an off-wiki issue, and it is inappropriate to lodge a complaint here. I am a regular at CU, and Jinx has made no attempt to organize there to disrupt WP. The last person who attempted such organization (a newbie troll) was basically run off of the board through ridicule. Attempting to sanction someone here for expressing their freedom of speech on another site that allows it is highly improper, and any sanction meted out by Misplaced Pages toward Jinx could be actionable in some way. Please don't endanger the project with such irresponsible complaints. ] 00:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	:I see you left some text out too. ''"While you may not be directly penalised for off-wiki attacks, '''they may be taken as aggravating factors when any on-wiki policy violations are being considered. For example, they can be used as evidence of bad faith in the dispute-resolution process, or as evidence in ArbCom cases."''''' Jinxmchue unfairly and mercilessly attacked Ben, and all your attempts to divert attention away from that fact can't erase his hateful words nor hurtful actions. - ] 00:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	::Correct and this is neither ArbCom nor an RfC nor are any other ''"on-wiki policy violations are being considered"'', nor is this a step in dispute resolution. Thank you for stating that this complaint has no place here. Again I ask you take your off wiki drama to the appropriate admins of where it takes place. Do not wage war there and ask for vengence here, don't bring it here at all, its not welcomed. --]<s>]</s> 00:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	* FAAFA or an admin should remove the warning that is on Jinxmchue's talk page. - ] 00:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	*:He can remove it himself, users are allowed to removed warnings from their own talk pages. --]<s>]</s> 01:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	*:: Really? I thought that was a no-no. ] 01:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	*::: ] : '''''"You know who else is a big whiny pussy? That idiot Fairness and Accuracy for All. He's the King Moonbat of Retard Mountain.''''''' - So rude! Perhaps you might consider reflecting on what people are calling Post Election Humiliation Syndrome ? - '''Do not remove this again Nuclear.''' You aren't allowed to remove my comments from an Admin board - this is to show the admins that there are several editors here who are violating WP NPA on CU ] 01:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	*:::: Hey KMORM, if you're going to copy and paste my comments from CU, get the full context. You left off my LOL smiley! - ] 13:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	*:::You are allowed to remove warnings from your talk page through deletion, though its prefered you simply archive them, some people partake in speedy archiving and selective archiving to follow this. I simply delete warnings. --]<s>]</s> 03:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Nope, you cannot. It is a violation of non-optional policy. ] 03:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	'''Administrator blows referee whistle''' - this noticeboard is not the place to conduct a dispute. The only evidence provided is a link to an offsite post. Unless there are specific page diffs that link this to a personal attack at Misplaced Pages, the proper solution is to raise this issue with the administrators of the other site. Also, Ben Burch is incorrect about warning removal. The subject currently has no consensus so the practice is not restricted. When other block-worthy actions occur I do weigh both the removal of valid warnings and the issuance of frivolous warnings as part of my discretionary decision about block duration. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 04:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	:'''Hi Durov''' - considering that numerous users were banned over insults and attacks against Wiki admins posted on 'E.D.' to imply that Wiki does not act, when it sees fit, over derogatory info, personal info, and attacks posted on other sites seems a bit disingenious. Thanks for your suggestion that I complain to the admin on the 'extremist hate site' in question, where the head admin has openly posted his admiration for the actions of Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Sirhan Sirhan - but I think I'll pass. Thanks anyway though. - ] 05:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	::There's nothing disingenuous; it's explicit in the policy. ''While you may not be directly penalised for off-wiki attacks, they may be taken as aggravating factors when any on-wiki policy violations are being considered.'' Provide me with page diffs of on-site violations. <font face="Verdana">]]<sup>]</sup></font> 07:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

	*Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't FAAFA violating WP's copyright policy by copying and pasting text from an external website? I'm also curious if he can source the statement that CU is a "hate site". If that is sourcable from a reliable secondary source, that certainly would be helpful in getting the CU article to meet the criteria set forth in ]. ] 13:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
	::Not the right forum to ask that question. If it isn't a personal attack, we generally don't deal with it here. Not to say it shouldn't be dealt with/looked at/discussed/what have you, and I'm sure you meant well -- the reason we need this attitude is because the whole board gets clogged with pages and pages of conversation if we don't trim it down. ] 23:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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Euskata (talk · contribs)

Keeps personal attacks despite being warned.

“You Dark Tichondriac are sicko racist you need to be taught vandalesson like thulean.--Euskata 01:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Thulean is a self-claimed racist, that says it all. You decide.--Euskata 01:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Light has been f inally shown on your ratfinckness we know you maniplate White people thru sock puppets and that you yourself are puppet with Thuleans hand up your skirt.By concerned anonymis” “We've dealt with nuisance people like you before and have all times won all disputes and you rest assured we will again. The present dispute your having will not succeed, the sysops are always on are side because we are righht.--Euskata 23:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Do not continue reverting/perverting White people or you will be blocked for a month at least.--Euskata 01:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC) How dare you threaten me I'm in the write. No one is with you, no sysop agrees with you, Sugaar and Veritas have denounced you as a racist. You are the one being investigated. P.S. stop your puppetry gimmicks you've been found out.--Euskata 02:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC) I'm not sugaar's puppet, I take full responsibility for my actions which were write in removing discriminatory comments by racist nordicist vandalist thulean, I only dare to did what Sugaar and Veritas wouldn't do but thought, but they are not responsible for my deletes only me. Don't try to weasley blame Thulean or Veritas you norway rat!--Eusketa”

“Thulean is the true vandal. Was legitimately unmasked as racist neonazi by user:sugaar and veritas et rigoritas user too.--Euskata 03:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)”

“Thulean continues to attack White people pages he wont stop he needs to be taught vandalesson.--Euskata 01:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)” “THE REAL VANDAL IS thulean, I wont vandalize anymore but he keeps vandalizing White people still and he needs to be taught a vandalesson.--Euskata 00:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)” “White people suc”

Btw this user is probably 4.245.236.229

Warnings: Thulean 21:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This user is also probably User_talk:Ibarreche Thulean 22:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

24.14.87.181 (talk · contribs)

Going strictly by this user's "contributions" - which amount almost entirely of defamatory statements and personal attacks against me (with no stated reason for doing so), I'd like to see this IP address blocked. --JohnDBuell 14:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Street Scholar (talk · contribs)

For this diff of a personal attack

and my response (to clarify any misunderstandings ) calling me a "racist" repeatedly and then himself makes veiled anti-semitic comments (apparently my being Jewish means I hate all Arab people according to Street Scholar). I would npa warn him, but he has a history of making inflammatory statements against people, getting even more aggravated when warned and finally being blocked for it. I do not wish to escalate his bile any more and request admin intervention.Hkelkar 11:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Update:He has made another racist attack against Bengali people here.Hkelkar 20:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

LSLM (talk · contribs)

Personal Attacks by LSLM:

"In fact the article is a mess. I see no solution for this article, as I am tired of repeating. I have said over and over again that unfortunately the term white to refer to people has been hijacked by Neonazis and there is no way out. Veritas et Severitas 02:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)"

"Dark T., eough is enough. The use of language to hide an agenda is very old. ¨White people are Nordic people¨, ¨Jews are not considered White¨ by whom? by Neo-Nazis of course. That disgusting ideology has no place here to define race, that most malignant of ideologies that was responsible for the death of 50 million Europeans just 60 years ago. I am not going to repeat over and over again the same things and be contributing endlessly. I have a life. Genetics and human decency kicks in the ass that ideology and people like you who insist on defining race following that ideology. Whenever I find tendencious comments trying to define race according to Nordicist/Neo-Nazi propaganda I will revert it and I hope that other decent people will do it too. Veritas et Severitas 12:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)"

"Sorry, but if a duck talks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it is a duck. Veritas et Severitas 13:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)"

"I do believe that Scandinavians are exactly as European as anyone else and that the genetic diversity among all peoples in the world is just marginal. I just hope that readers from Scandinavia are not offended. I know the place and they are among the most polite people and least racist people on earth. But some people like you need a response. So, stop trying to use information about which you have no clue and stop using this site for your Nordicist agenda, that is ludicrous in the light of 21st century knowlegede.Veritas et Severitas 19:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)"

"Man, your ignorance is such that I am not going to discuss with you anymore. I just hope that you leave this place alone. Veritas et Severitas 19:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)"

"I am glad that other people can see Thulean´s nazi approach. I hope that some administrators can block this guy.Veritas et Severitas 21:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)"

Warnings to LSLM:

, Thulean 21:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment - Can truth be an attack? Because in context those remarks make complete sense. BenBurch 21:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Truth? I've never added any Nazi argument or used Nazi sources. See page diffs. Thulean 22:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

LSLM is totally innocent. Thulean is the one who should be investigated: his behaviour and his continued threats are highly disruptive.

He's just using this as "legal" platform to try to scare honest and serious wikipedians from staying in his way. --Sugaar 22:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Please move this matter to WP:RFI. Durov a 03:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment: This is an emotive issue, there are understandably strong feelings on both sides. I've had some dealings with Veritas in the past and he can get quite het up about things, but he's never made personal attacks, though he has questioned other editors motives. I don't think this constitutes a personal attack. Many people here on wikipedia have some sort of agenda, many people are just ignorant of proper wikipedia policies on WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR, many people are just ignorant of modern research and are clinging to old fashioned ideologies because that's what they know and understand and many just want to produce a reliable encyclopaedia. Certain articles are always going to be more sensitive than others and I don't think it is an attack to infer a person's political beliefs from opinions they have expressed themselves. I also don't think it can be considered a personal attack to question someones motives. Implying someone is a nazi based on their contributions and stated opinions isn't really a personal attack. Veritas doesn't actually call Thulean a nazi anywhere, he just says that much of what Thulean is expressing is identical to nazi ideology. All Thulean has to do is deny it. Thulean may or may not hold these ideologies I am entirely disinterested, but to point out that his opinions reflect those of nazism is not an attack. Alun 03:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I dont think things like quoting Oxford English Dictionary can be seen as identical to Nazi ideology. I welcome anyone to see page diffs. Thulean 12:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Administrator blows referee whistle - this board is not a request for comments. Durov a 04:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The page already has an RFC (that I initiated as first measure) but this has gone beyond all measure, with T. trying to push everyone against the ropes and trying to scare them with warnings (official or his own unofficial ones, with which he spams other users' talk pages), while POV-pushing editing the page at will.

The page already has an RFM (Cabal) and several RFIs. What the page needs is direct administrator intervention and declining Thulean's vitimist PAIN demands that can only strenghen his position and scare off honest, estabilished, responsible wikipedians, like LSLM, myself or whoever happens to be next. --Sugaar 11:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Open reports

AndyCanada (talk · contribs)

This user has been warned repeatedly about making personal attacks and being uncivil. Recently a WP:RFCU revealed that this user is also using anon accounts with the IP 63.17.0.0/16 and 63.150.0.0/16, and possibly Just an onlooker (talk · contribs). Today IP 63.150 began posting personal attacks/defamatory statements about me on various talk pages (examples: , , and , and again as Just an onlooker (talk · contribs) here . While these might seem to be relatively minor insults, this user has been warned 3 times as Just an onlooker and equally as many as AndyCanada in the past about attacks on myself and other users. Thanks. Yankees76 22:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Account has already been indef blocked by another admin. Durov a 04:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

John Spikowski (talk · contribs)

This user threatened me and others in the past and got several admin warnings , , including a Personal Attacks - Last Warning . He was quiet for a month now but his last contributions attacked a bot and myself with threaten me that I get banned from Misplaced Pages and charging me for issues that I have never done and that are clearly outside of Misplaced Pages.

24 hour block for violations of WP:CIVIL. Durov a 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Expatkiwi (talk · contribs)

This user has been vandalizing my page here and has been putting personal negative comments on my userpage repeatedly here and here . In the past he has also shown such behavior to others like here with historical revisionist diatribe masking an attack . In this case he is accusing someone of ethnic cleansing because of editing the wrong article . In fact in the past he has been shown trying to explain why he put an article up in wikipedia for propaganda purposes . Because of this I sometimes question why he creates certain articles (I am not against creating articles, but is there really an ulterior motive?) I hope that his behavior stops but unfortunately his actions on my page prevent me from having any hope of calmly discussing this with him. (UNFanatic 06:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC))

Final warning issued. I'll try to keep an eye on this one, but let me know either via my talk page or here if this sort of behavior continues. Luna Santin 08:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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