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If you have the time, I would appreciate any observations you may care to provide at Misplaced Pages:Editor review/Dalbury. -- Donald Albury 14:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice to see you (semi) back

Between your break, and Bishonen's, and me getting Giano mad at me (it's getting better), it's been a desolate wasteland around here. Welcome back! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you much for the welcome! Goodness gracious, who put what in everyone's Cheerios while I was away? Can I assist in any way?

In other news, my pond has foot-long strands of filamentous algae, the Thunbergia grandiflora is growing into the Bambusa lako and the Bauhinia blakeana, and the heat index is 100 F today, so the semi-back puppy is semi-melted. How are things in your neck of the woods? KillerChihuahua 17:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The Cheerios are going to be fine, they've just been splashed around a little by some recent ArbCom activity. In my RL neck-of-the-woods, it's cooled down a bit after our own Oregon heat wave, and my policy of neglecting the yardwork until it reaches the level of a complete crisis continues :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of coming back....I've returned! ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 17:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!!! All rested and ready and loaded for bear? KillerChihuahua 20:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

atheism page

Thank you for reverting back to POV sentences and weasle word descriptions, you obviously have no ownership issues and have obviously read certain policies. :) ]]] Somerset219 20:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yap yap

Hello there semipuppy. Bishonen | talk 12:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

Hello there semiscaryJapanesehorrormovieperson. I have not forgotten the plague; I have not been able to get to the library (r/l is keeping me so busy I have not have time.) If you need my assistance or attention elsewhere pls post here; I am emphatically not keeping up with my usual watchlist. Thanks - KillerChihuahua 13:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Ignorance of the law

Depends on the offense. In this case, one presumes an admin is aware of the policy against unblocking oneself - its not an "oops" its a deliberate violation of the Rules. For a more extreme example, when one commits a crime one is usally not given a free pass the first time - one is aware it is illegal, one does it anyway - one reaps the consequences. To carry the analogy, an admin breaking this serious a rule is like a police officer breaking the law, which makes the case more serious, not less, because there is no recourse to the "ignorance of the law" defense, which if I recall correctly carries little or no weight anyway. One puppy's opionion. KillerChihuahua 20:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I have stated in numerous places that I was unaware of the rule or of the possibility that sysops could be blocked, period. Do you have any basis for disbelieving me? In any event, ignorance of the law is a valid mitigating circumstance where the conduct is not obviously criminal. In other words, you cannot claim ignorance of the illegality of murder, but you can claim ignorance of some less obvious criminal statute - something environmental, for example - and the judge may of course take it into account at sentencing. - CrazyRussian talk/email 12:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page, repeated here:

I have tried to find a more polite way to say this, and failed, so please excuse my bluntness: Where have you been? How did you get to be an admin without realizing the rules apply to you also? How did you miss all the wheel wars? All the issues when admins blocked each other and so on? Your assertion that you did not realize you could be blocked concerns me far more than your unblocking yourself, because I am left to wonder what other policies may you be completely ignorant of? How can you enforce policy and mentor editors when you are yourself ignorant of those poliicies? I was wavering, but due to this astonisihing statement I must support the recall request. KillerChihuahua 12:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Replied on my talk. Good job kicking a guy when he's down - holy shit! - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) In what possible way could this be considered kicking when down? I fail to see how being civil enough to supply my reasons is somehow inappropriate. KillerChihuahua 13:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's a quote from Category:Administrators_open_to_recall (emphasis added): "Just ask, nicely..." - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I am very disappointed in you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

For what, expecting an admin to know the policies? KillerChihuahua 13:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

No! I have already resigned the mop. You could have saved your opinion until RfA2 or canned it altogether. It's not pleasant to have to go through a recall, and there is absolutely no reason to make grandiloquent statements to me about my extreme ignorance when those statements will have no bearing on anything whatsofuckingever other than to further diminish my self esteem? Is that not obvious?? Finally, please remember, the recall discussion is taking place on my user talk page BECAUSE I CONSENTED TO IT, and I had wrapped it up before your post. I remain extremely disappointed in you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps Rfa2 will go better if you realize that expectations are that an admin know and understand the WP:RULES. This is a valid "bearing" which has nothing to do with whether you've surrendered the mop, or your self esteem, which I would hope and expect would not be affected by statements about what an admin should be expected, as a matter of course, to be familiar with. How this has resulted in your increasingly agitated and profanity-laden statements that I have somehow attacked you and lowered your self esteem is beyond me. Perhaps you also lack the maturity which would allow you to accept constructive advice and criticism without taking it personally. You may wish to step back, calm down, and re-read what I wrote and try to consider it more impersonally. KillerChihuahua 13:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I also lack the maturity. Thank you for your unproductive input. - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I stayed completely cool throughout the recall, but you have really got my juices flowing there, especially with your initial edit summary. *exhales* - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ADC edit

Hi there. I was just wondering what you meant by this edit? What is WP:CONTENT? Laurence Boyce 12:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be a typo, apologies. The second n should be an x: WP:CONTEXT. KillerChihuahua 13:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

straw poll on Herero Uprising (or whatever it's currently called)

Hi KillerChihuahua, I was wondering whether you might have time to comment on the talk page of Herero Uprising, where I tried to intervene in a edit war with a straw poll. Not sure whether that was a good idea (my first time ever trying to do this), but I think the poll could use some additional outside comment. I have no idea whether you have the time or interest in the subject, but if you do, perhaps you could comment (or even solicit other commenters). The page has been moved twice daily for a few days now, so someone experienced should step in, in my opinion. Thanks! --Birdmessenger 19:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggest you list on article Rfc, as there seems to be an impasse. KillerChihuahua 19:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Will do.--Birdmessenger 19:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Good luck, looks like a heated dispute. KillerChihuahua 19:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!--Birdmessenger 19:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, my dear Puppy!

Thank you, my dear Puppy! :) and no need to apologize for not being around for a while, I'm just glad you had a good wikibreak ;) Thank you so much for the humorous pointers - I'll make absolutely sure to keep them in mind when using the buttons :P Seriously, that you've taken the time to visit me and congratulate me means a huge lot to me. As I am now in the ranks of the rookie admins, I'll make sure to visit you and bug you whenever I feel I'm about to mess up... which I'm afraid will be quite often! ;) Have a great weekend, dear KC, hope to talk to you pretty soon, hugs! Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 08:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Representing religious views

Hi there, regarding your thought of more representative coverage of religious views: I think the reason Christianity is over-represented is because English language Misplaced Pages contributors and readers do not reflect the world population, but a (primarily Christian) subset of it. I don't know what the numbers are for the religious makeup of the English speaking world, but I'll bet that they reflect the religious distribution you describe. Just a thought :-) Jon 07:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

They do. KillerChihuahua 09:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Upload Some Images

Can you upload some images for me? I know how, but I don't know how to make it so they don't get deleted License2Kill 01:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

When you upload them, make sure you fill in where you got them and the licensing. The licensing is a drop-down box on the upload page. KillerChihuahua 10:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

How do I find out about the licensing status? License2Kill 19:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it depends on where you get the image. Why don't we walk through one image? Tell me about the image you want to upload. KillerChihuahua 09:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000297F.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg License2Kill 03:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

An album cover is fair use, but that scan is an Amazon image and it might be owned by them. Ask at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Album covers and see if you can get someone with more album cover expertise to give an opinion. KillerChihuahua 07:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well sourced views

very long irrelevant post removed

Let's be fair here, and not resort to meaningless polemics.--204.108.237.194 20:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Please take this to the talk page of the article. KillerChihuahua 09:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I get the sense that

Just a bit of warning. If you revert the Paul Weyrich bio one more time, I will report you for vandalism. Pravknight 04:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

This is amusing. I've reverted once, and you put a blatantvandal template on my talk page? Go ahead, report me. This could be interesting. I should warn you however, I am an administrator, and if I see you misusing the template by placing bv templates, or any other type of vandalism warning, on other editor's talk pages due to content disputes, I will strongly consider taking action. I suggest you read WP:VAND so you can learn what is and is not vandalism. KillerChihuahua 09:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for posting the blatant vandalism tag because I am still learning the ropes around here, but I have seen users cited for vandalism for precisely what you have done. The point is your reversion isn't NPOV from my perspective. I see it as taking Mr. Weyrich's words out of context

very long irrelevant post removed

Once again, I apologize for losing my temper.

--Pravknight 16:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Our friend is at it again...

John Wayne vandal/troll/whatever he is has begun his personal attacks again.... Just an FYI. 75.2.50.195 01:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I blocked him again. KillerChihuahua 07:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Vivaldi

Can we move to close the Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Vivaldi? This user has continual removed material. Arbusto 20:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Arf!

Why, hello there, innumerate puppy! Bishonen | talk 20:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC).

We all have our shortcomings. :)

thanks for the hello - I'm not back yet, just popping in and trying to clean up a little. KillerChihuahua 21:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Begging for an assist

Could you or any other admins looking in here take a look at Unreal Engine technology pretty please? I was asked to help out there with a content dispute involving some nearly-completely non-communicative people who keep reinserting content that seems to violate WP:V and likely also the GFDL. I've tried some talking, little effect, but I've also been reverting, so I don't want to take any admin actions. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Unreal indeed. I took one look at the talk page and took the quick way out - I protected for the time being. If you disagree and wish to unprotect, I'll not object. Hopefully this will get some discussion going as opposed to the revert war - and you might want to suggest wp:auto in addition to v and rs as recommended reading. KillerChihuahua 20:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I've no desire to unprotect. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Dunc, etc.

I quote wikipedia founder Larry Sanger. " Second problem: the dominance of difficult people, trolls, and their enablers. I stopped participating in Misplaced Pages when funding for my position ran out. That does not mean that I am merely mercenary; I might have continued to participate, were it not for a certain poisonous social or political atmosphere in the project.

There are many ways to explain this problem, and I will start with just one. Far too much credence and respect accorded to people who in other Internet contexts would be labelled "trolls." There is a certain mindset associated with unmoderated Usenet groups and mailing lists that infects the collectively-managed Misplaced Pages project: if you react strongly to trolling, that reflects poorly on you, not (necessarily) on the troll. If you attempt to take trolls to task or demand that something be done about constant disruption by trollish behavior, the other listmembers will cry "censorship," attack you, and even come to the defense of the troll. This drama has played out thousands of times over the years on unmoderated Internet groups, and since about the fall of 2001 on the unmoderated Misplaced Pages.

Misplaced Pages has, to its credit, done something about the most serious trolling and other kinds of abuse: there is an Arbitration Committee that provides a process whereby the most disruptive users of Misplaced Pages can be ejected from the project.

But there are myriad abuses and problems that never make it to mediation, let alone arbitration. A few of the project's participants can be, not to put a nice word on it, pretty nasty. And this is tolerated. So, for any person who can and wants to work politely with well-meaning, rational, reasonably well-informed people--which is to say, to be sure, most people working on Misplaced Pages--the constant fighting can be so off-putting as to drive them away from the project. This explains why I am gone; it also explains why many others, including some extremely knowledgeable and helpful people, have left the project." Pproctor 00:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh, OK. •Jim62sch• 00:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Jim here - why precisely did you feel it appropriate to paste this very long quote on my talk page? Please be concise with your answer - thanks much. KillerChihuahua 06:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Cheers!

Thanks for the words of wisdom, mate! hoopydink 00:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

you are more than welcome, and let me know if I can ever be of help - KillerChihuahua 00:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur

I was wondering why you reverted my edit. Origin does not normally indicate a birthplace but rather the location most synonymous with a person. I was only trying to make the infobox more easily legible, as to have the City, State on the same rather rather than having it wrapped onto the next line. Also, the Birth Name in the infobox should be changed because later on in the article it explains that his birth name was indeed Tupac Amaru Shakur and only a year after his birth was it changed to Lesane Parish Crooks out of fear that he might be associated to his mother using the same last name. I have no animosity towards you, I was just curious in your reasoning behind the revert. --Zimbabweed 17:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I think instead of "Birth name" it should say "Name" License2Kill 21:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Its determined by the template at {{Infobox musical artist}}. KillerChihuahua 23:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Nobel controversies

Why do you keep reverting without discussing on the talk page. In this last one, I looks as if I was changing what I had originally posted when you were also changing the same entry at the same time, apparently without reading what I had posted. See my notes on the talk page as to why this new posting meets all the requirements for WK:NPOV, etc. Not that the other one did not, BTW.

Also, what do you know about the history of conductive organic polymers? Or the history of science in general? Yes, I know that in the context of Misplaced Pages, this does not matter. Just asking.

Also, why pick on my posts, which, as far as I can tell, completely meet all the guidelines? If you haven't noticed, hardly any of the claims on Noble controversies have any documentation at all. Multiple clear violations of WK:NOR. If you look at the 'history" of the page, about the only documentation for the other claims was also provided by me incidentally. Being clearly singled out like this makes me worry about ulterior motives. If you are trying to make a point, you have already made it.

While there is not a "Cabal" on Misplaced Pages, there are clearly cliques. Maybe even multiple sockpuppets, an easy thing to do. I seem to have fallen afoul of something. Sorry if I have offend you and your gang by inadvertantly intruding on your turf, for which I heartily repent. Now please lay off and let me get back to the real work of editing this puppy. Otherwise, we are all going to keep going round and round. A waste of everyones time. Pproctor 16:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Your additions have been thoroughly disputed on the article talk page. Until and unless you have some support, you are engaging in tenditious editing by continuing to add them. Currently, you have NO support. The onus is on you to post convincing rationale on the talk page for inclusion, not on me to repeat what has been said already.
2. Are you accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Of whom? Please request a checkuser at WP:RFCU or stop making such nonsensical accusations.
3. My "gang" is Misplaced Pages. My "turf" is Misplaced Pages. By adding spurious content against consensus, you are indeed intruding on my turf.
4. If by "lay off" you mean go away so you can keep edit warring against consensus, the answer is no. Cease your disruptive behavior. KillerChihuahua 16:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Not according to the various histories. They say my edits have been only "throughly disputed" by the same usual suspects who post over on e.g. Creationism and related sites with you, apparently because I attempted to inject a little NK:NPOV at Raymond Damadian. And this has happened over and over. As for "sockpuppets", a different IP number means nothing in the face of multiple proxy servers. So who knows, except if you meet the subject personally.

As Misplaced Pages:Concensus makes clear, such a concerted action by an organized group of editors is "not a concensus". It is also a forbidden practice to gang up or enlist others to promote a particular POV. It is not WK:tendentious editing to edit in the fact of such practices. So lay off Pproctor 16:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You are a troll. You are making unfounded accusations and warning me to "lay off". I am giving you notice - any further posts of yours to this talk page will be removed. KillerChihuahua 18:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Tupac's Ashes

Hi KillerChihuahua - thank you for adding to the conversation about Tupac's ashes on the Tupac Talk Page. I think maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to argue. I do want to include a statement about the desire of Tupac's family to spread his ashes in Soweto next year. What I am suggesting is that we remove references to Nelson Mandela and the South African Government being at the event in 2007, as this information is simply not verifiable. Here is what I suggest the statement should read: "Family and friends plan to spread the remaining ashes in Soweto, South Africa, on June 16, 2007 which is Shakur's 36th birthday" which is verifiable by multiple sources. If you look at the Tupac Talk page, I have surveyed the South African media (I live in South Africa) and have found no mention of Mandela being at the event next year (or that he was even planning on being there this year) in any of the articles (8 of them). If you look at the Pretoria News article that you cited, it makes no mention of Mandela. What I think is happening here is one user has gotten an idea in his/her head of what should be in the article, and is searching for individual sources to verify his/her own ideas, which as we know, is a very poor way to conduct research. On the internet, one can find justification for just about anything. Rather we should survey many sources, and summarize the findings from these multiple sources, which is a much more reliable way to conduct research. I would appreciate your continued input, as this user has reverted my justifiable edits 3 times now, and has left less than civil comments on my talk page. I think the issue needs some input from a 3rd (and 4th etc) party. Thank you. - Jason Lionchow 08:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll respond on the article talk page - thanks much for the clarification. KillerChihuahua 09:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. Cheers, Jason Lionchow.

Baiting Nonsense

I really do object you the message you have left upon my talk page. You have no business interfering in a conversation between me and Guy Chapman. He left me a very provocative and extremely rude (however you interpret it) note and I responded accordingly. Chelsea Tory 14:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. You're on a wiki. All conversations are public and the public may indeed comment. Saying I had "no business interfering" is demonstrating a complete lack of comprehension of where your conversation is taking place. E-Mail conversations are private. Talk page conversations on Misplaced Pages are public. KillerChihuahua 19:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Of interest

see Comments regarding Sadi Carnot:

Ah, so you (User:Sadi Carnot) misused Admin tools, eh? (Yes, the protect tag is only for admins). This shall prove to be interesting, I think. (Name added for clarity)

From WP:PPOL

Administrators have the ability to protect pages so that they cannot be edited, or images so that they cannot be overwritten, except by other administrators. Administrators can also protect pages from moves only. Administrators have the additional ability to protect pages from being edited by unregistered or very new users.

These abilities are only to be used in limited circumstances as protected pages are considered harmful.

Admins must not protect pages they are actively engaged in editing, except in the case of simple vandalism.

Clearly an RfC is in order here, if not an RfA. I've contacted several Admins to get their opinion on how best to deal with your behaviour. BTW: KillerChihuahua, the person you reverted, is an admin. As I said, this shall prtove interesting, I think. •Jim62sch• 18:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Being an admin or not being an admin makes no difference so far as editing goes; however, Sadi's actions are a different matter. I hesitate to encourage an Rfc. I have warned him about misuse of the tag on the article talk page, and explained that even if he could protect it would be highly inappropriate to protect a page you had been editing and completely irresponsible to protect a preferred version. Hopefully, he'll get the clue. KillerChihuahua 19:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that, and I very much value your counsel in this matter. Thank you. •Jim62sch• 23:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I assumed that since I the tag saved on the edit that I had the rights to use it. Whatever the case, being that this page been reverted close to a dozen times, by multiple seasoned editors, someone should have put a lock on the page long ago so that we could discuss issue properly on the talk page. There are so many issues that are awry here, e.g. self-promotion, intelligent-design issues, divine intervention comments and edits, using multiple reference links to the same website over using standard article or textbook references, using months and 100s of kilobytes of talk page space to debate someone’s pet theory, using talk page space to argue that laws of science are false, etc., that this whole situation is making a mockery the Misplaced Pages science section. --Sadi Carnot 11:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Lambert

I don't get the the parallel to WMC. WMC never tried to get an article on himself or get himselft mentioned in an article. The article William Connolley was created by his nemesis User:Ed Poor.

I cede that the situation isn't much helped by User:Sadi Carnot, obviously he and Lambert have collided before.

Pjacobi 11:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Concur; either they've collided or Sadi simply strongly disagrees with Lambert's theories/work. That Sadi is misusing tags and attacking other editors does not help his case.

I merely point out that providing ones bona fides on a talk page hardly qualifies as self-promotion; if he's editing his own article then that is a separate issue. The parallel is not absolute; it is that attacking notable editors as self-promoters is harmful to Misplaced Pages, unless there is a clear case of self-promotion, in which case that should be addressed at the appropriate article: in this case, the Frank Lambert article. I can see where there would be a concern about undue weight; that can surely be addressed on the Entropy talk page without accusing Lambert or dismissing his publication list, yes? KillerChihuahua 12:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I now re-checked: Both Frank Lambert and Entropy (energy dispersal) have been started by User:Sadi Carnot. The latter, assuming good faith, to keep the main article article Entropy free from the Lambert-theory. Not a good idea.

What triggered my self promotion reflex wasn't so much Talk:Entropy but his campaigning against the AfD.

Perhaps judging prematurely, I'm not seeing a case of Conolly, but of Hewitt emerging.

Anyway, I'll be cautious regarding NPA.

Pjacobi 12:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sadi apparently started the Frank Lambert article as a mild attack article, and your AGF conclusion regarding Entropy (energy dispersal) still leaves that as created as a POV fork. Even his initial Frank Lambert article states "His work has been discussed in some chemistry books." which shows that in spite of his campaign to present Lambert as wholly self-published on the web, Sadi is aware that is inaccurate. The entire thing smacks of a campaign to discredit Lambert, who clearly is notable and published and cited well beyond a self-published website and a professorship. KillerChihuahua 12:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to comment on the Hewitt parallel: if Lambert begins to edit war, adding content without strong support on the Entropy article or the Entropy (energy dispersal) article, then we can suggest to him that he limit himself to talk pages on those articles. He has made no edits to either Frank Lambert or to Entropy (energy dispersal), which would be the case if he were a Hewitt parallel. I show that in the last 500 edits to Entropy, Lambert has made 10 edits to the Entropy article. Sadi has made 76. This is not a Hewitt situation. Sadi may be in violation of WP:OWN on the Entropy article. KillerChihuahua 12:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: KC, this is not a content issue. The tag issue is not vandalism; it was the first time I used it and did not know I was in the wrong. User:Frank Lambert has been trying to bias the entropy article, via argument Talk:Entropy page, with his personal views, for almost a half a year now, e.g. see the following archives:

Archive: Talk:Entropy/Archive2 , 165 kilobytes

Archive: Talk:Entropy/Archive3 , 116 kilobytes

Archive: Talk:Entropy/Archive4 , 95 kilobytes

He basically wants the whole entropy article written according to his perspective and theories; yet there is a clear consensus, e.g. Jheald, Yevgeny Kats, PAR, Nonsuch, Pjacobi, Byrgenwulf, User:Linas that his theories are not mainstream, and should not be included in the article. --Sadi Carnot 12:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. He has made ten edits to your 76. Listing other editors who may agree with you, and ignoring editors who do not, such as Dave souza, one of our best science editors, does not make you somehow right. This is not a case of mob rule. Consensus never trumps NPOV. You created a POV fork and an attack article, you have now attacked Jim62sch (a prolific editor with at least two Featured articles to his credit) and Dave souza, a very well respected science editor, and posted "facts" you knew were false on the Entropy (energy dispersal) Afd, and posted a content dispute on the AN noticeboard. That you have also misused a tag and been made aware of that does not even remotely affect whether your other actions and positions are appropriate or within Misplaced Pages guidelines. Red herrings are useless here. KillerChihuahua 13:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Spammer!

TLA Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:TLA_Admin&action=edit

Keeps spamming his links on the Tupac Shakur page and the 2Pac TBA License2Kill 17:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC).

I see no contributions by this user since Oct 10th, when he was warned by HawkerTyphoon. Let me know if it starts up again - thanks. KillerChihuahua 18:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was an old message but just added my name to it now License2Kill 20:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

reply on FYI

I replied on my talk page: User_talk:Reinoutr#FYI. Regards, --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 17:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Welcome back

Thank you. I had some vacation, Disneyland, Hollywood, China Town in L.A. and finally a day at Melrose Beach. Take care, Cheers! Tony the Marine 00:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

JA

Not clear yet; I'm keeping an eye on it. Jayjg 15:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

de Coucy

I reverted it because you moved En. III claiming that you were matching it with all the others. In fact, only one other had his name in that form (now fixed), and all the links on the Lord of Coucy page were to "X N, Lord of Coucy" forms. So I assumed it was just a lazy and thoughtless edit (btw, I moved VII and moved back III, not the other way around). Sorry if you got offended. My explanation is that, besides the fact that "de Coucy" is not English (should be "of Coucy" in English), the general guidelines promote the "X N, Title of Y" format. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You're not addressing what I stated - I clearly said I had no problem with the edit you made, only with your edit summary. Now you tell me you "assumed it was just a lazy and thoughtless edit"?!? AGF much do you? KillerChihuahua 23:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

theory of truth

yeah... disregard my entry, at the time i was, as ALI G might say "WELL 'IGH ON SOME KILLA GANGA".Anon-o-man 21:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Um... ok, I think. KillerChihuahua 23:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Needs to Be Banned

User Robert2TLA is obviously a user coming back with a second username trying to use Misplaced Pages to add links to his site. He keeps spamming Pac's Life with his links and removing others in order to get people to his site. This is his second username and he has been warned before many times License2Kill 21:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I have left a standard {{spam}} warning. Let me know if Robert2TLA or 72.49.195.222 adds the link again. And don't bite so hard; he may be a fan who just needs to learn a little more about what is allowable on Misplaced Pages. KillerChihuahua 21:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

He has been warned before by another Misplaced Pages admin and this is his second account. He know's what he is doing, he's trying to use Misplaced Pages to advertise. Thanks for the quick response. License2Kill 22:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

NP, I can always block if he continues. I hope he decides to abide by the rules instead. KillerChihuahua 22:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:UW Thanks

Thanks for your offer of support and we will take gladly any help that's offered. Currently I'm trying to set in place means of getting this task done as quickly as possible, with then plans to turn it from a project to a policy unit. These warnings, etc have been a millstone around the neck of Misplaced Pages for quite some time, and I would like it to be out of the way in the next two to three months. So please book mark the WP:UW page including my Ideas and it's talk page, add them to your watch lists and keep an eye on it. But more importantly as an admin and someone who's been around here for a while, it's not the specifically the hard graft we need but your insight and thoughts are especially appreciated. Cheers Khukri 15:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for resolving that issue for me. :) :: Colin Keigher 20:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You are more than welcome. KillerChihuahua 20:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No one resloved it for me-- What Injustice!

Large spam message, complete with hate message and legal threats, removed. KillerChihuahua 00:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yikes

Were you really bitten by a Brown Recluse, puppy? It sounds dramatic ("necrosis" is a charged word if I've ever heard one), but I guess it wasn't much fun. Sympathies. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes I was, just above the left elbow. No necrosis and I think I'm past the danger point. Nasty icky looking place on my arm though, and they tell me they're slow to heal, so I'll be hurting and itching for a while. Remind me to tell you about the weird things I've had and the odd things which have bitten me, sometime. KillerChihuahua 23:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Nasty! Glad you're doing well. -- Donald Albury 23:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, a chihuahua's elbows are only like 3 inches off the ground.  ;) Good thing the wound isn't necrotic, though. Bark, woof woof! •Jim62sch• 00:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind thoughts... no comment to the shortness that is me. KillerChihuahua 00:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The dove looking off the page

It is Bish's decision which bird, but the dove faces off the page. Nice job making that by the way. The code is easy to change as you know, just substitute left for right and it will no longer be looking off the page. DVD+ R/W 00:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I like it looking right, and don't see that as looking off the page any more than looking left, but if you feel it would be an improvement please go ahead and change the direction the bird is flying. KillerChihuahua 01:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Aha, you didn't make it. I was going to ask how you painstakingly cropped out the background from each still. I've seen the pic looking off the page argument happen a couple of times, and didn't mean to start something like that. Sorry. Maybe both birds would be nice. I just wanted to say that I noticed. Best, DVD+ R/W 01:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh goodness no, I didn't make that one. However, I wouldn't crop anyway: I'd select and fill, and make transparant. KillerChihuahua 01:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:UW help

Hi KC,

You recently said you were willing to help with the user message and template harmonistion program. We will be starting the actual changes, we hope within the next week. But prior to that, what we would like from yourself is instead of an evening of vandal fighting or patrolling recent changes, you monitor the RC page for those actually doing the reverts and leaving user page messages. We would like to make as many people aware of the fact that the templates they use are going to change. If you could seek out the RCP's and Cut n Paste the following message to their talk page that would be appreciated, or reworded as you see fit. Thanks for your time. Khukri 09:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

==Upcoming template changes==

Hi, I've just noticed that you recently left a templated userpage message. I'm just bringing to your attention that the format and context of these templates will be shortly changing. It is recommended that you visit ] and harmonisation discussion ] to find out how these changes could affect the templates you use. We also would appreciate any insights or thoughts you may have on the subject. Thanks for your understanding. Best regards ~~~~

Being Stalked by User

In September you stepped in because I have been routinely stalked by a user named Arniep. This person insists on labeling me a "Sock Puppet" and every time I have tried to talk to him or her directly and tried to go through proper channels, but they refuse to respond and instead trash me and attack me. You stepped in and reverted Arniep's continued attacks on me and now the other day it appears he or she has started up again and re-labled me. Why is this allowed? What have I ever done to this person? Mostly I just read the topics here. I haven't even contributed since you last stepped in. I read that this Arniep does this with others that he/she is a bully that thinks he/she can decide the fate of all. If you can do anything, please do. As it is, I am really disappointed that someone can get away with that kind of bully mentality. I really thought that wikipedia was supposed to be about being a community of respect. Icemountain2 16:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I have warned him I will block him for harassment if he re-places the sock template. Let me know if he does. KillerChihuahua 20:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

KillerChihuahua there absolutely is evidence that this user is a sockpuppet troll. As far am I aware you were not involved in the controversy before so you are probably not aware of what this user was suspected of doing. Please do not be so quick to lose your civility. Thanks Arniep 21:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I was perfectly civil, and I mean what I say. KillerChihuahua 21:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, no you weren't. You instantly believed this user against me because of our past disagreement and claimed I was harrassing them. That is unacceptable. Arniep 21:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

That's not uncivil. That's your suspician that I am biased. You are wrong, both in that I am biased, and that I was uncivil. Further, I still mean what I said. I have seen no evidence, and you have been told not to harass this user any further by replacing a tag which has been removed several times, by two different admins. If you suspect sockpuppetry make a case on AN or RFCU, do NOT replace the tag again or I will block you. KillerChihuahua 21:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but you were uncivil as you straight away threatened to block me without even asking for evidence or asking me why I was reinstating the tag. Regards Arniep 21:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, the tag was reinstated by Thatcher and if you noticed he didn't remove it after I readded it. The evidence should have been linked to from the sockpuppet tag but I forgot to do this- it is linked on Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Paramountpr. Regards Arniep 21:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

(reduce) That makes four times you've been wrong on this page today. 1) I was not uncivil. 2) I am not acting from bias. 3) Telling you I will block you if you harass another user is still not being uncivil. 4) Thatcher131 removed the tag, not reinstated it, from the history I'm looking at. KillerChihuahua 21:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there a rule against arrogance? If not it's a pity. The fact is you immediately believed the other user's claim that I was harrassing them without even attempting to talk to me or discuss it with me. Once again you can't admit you made a mistake. Arniep 22:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Two points: You don't know what I believed or did not, and once again? KillerChihuahua 23:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Arnie, in no way was KC uncivil. Nor was she arrogant. Nor are your actions jusdtified at this point in time. Have you requested an RFCU? Probably not. Absent such proof you are just another chicken clucking in the barnyard. •Jim62sch• 00:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Jim, you know nothing about this case as far as I know and I stand by my assertions above. I know that KC believed I was harrassing this user as she threatened to block me for it without even questioning what this user was saying. I am extremely offended by these accusations as I was awarded a defender of the wiki barnstar in relation to this and I absolutely do know what I am talking about in relation to the RL Travolta case. I had not requested a check user as I had thought the activities had ended so I thought it was unnecessary. Arniep 21:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't have to ask anyone for what was clear to see in histories and contributions. KillerChihuahua 13:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Icemountain2 was one of a suite of user accounts that existed almost entirely to promote Rikki Lee Travolta as (a) the unacknowledged half-brother or something to John Travolta; (b) fan favorite to be the next James Bond, twice; (c) a top-5 Broadway draw, and (d) set to star as Thor in a comic book movie adaptation. None of these assertions could be backed up be reliable sources; essentially RLT is a small-time Chicago area off-Broadway stage actor, and all the other claims came from blogs, his IMDB bio (written by his agent), a foreign news web site that allows anyone to submit unverified press releases, and the two TV guide polls which mysteriously (as TV guide itself said) named this unknown guy as the fans favorite to be the next James Bond. The only thing RLT seems to be top-5 at is astroturfing. (see also Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Rikki Lee Travolta)
• I don't know if the RLT promoters were true sockpuppets, or friends, or fans, but they were all clearly single purpose accounts and often obnoxious about it. If Icemountain is back adding RLT as a cast member of some movie, that should be held to the usual standard of verifiability (no blogs or fan rumor sites). On the other hand, I don't think there is any real value in forcing the account to wear a sign around its neck saying its a sockpuppet of someone, so I would suggest to Arnie that he back off a bit and stick to watching Icemountain's edits for verifiability. (Probably every editor has run into at least a couple single purpose accounts with a history of dubious edits. What Misplaced Pages seems to lack is a mechanism to track, watch, and inform other editors that is milder and less potentially offensive than slapping a sockpuppet tag on the user's own talk page.) Thatcher131 00:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Icemountain2 has not started re-adding RLT. His sole contributions since this mess have been a vandalism revert and an addition, with sources, of an attorney's statement on Sept. 23 which lasted until an anon removed it, with no explanation, on October 15. Both edits were valid; neither had anything to do with RLT. I am willing to AGF and say this account may have started as a meat-puppet, and is a Travolta fan, and may become a good contributor if not bitten. I see no evidence this editor is acting as a sock or meat puppet at this time. I could be wrong; but there is no evidence otherwise currently. Until there is, there is no reason to harass this user because of suspicians. The evidence is simply too slight. KillerChihuahua 00:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree there is no need to make a fuss over Icemountain2 at this time. Thatcher131 00:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, that was my thought as well. KillerChihuahua 00:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

My sincere thanks. I'm not looking for problems. I am a Travolta fan and make no attempt to hide it but if comments about a few family members creates problems I just don't talk about them. I'm not here for problems. I've tried to talk to the stalker and they refuse - so be it, I left them alone. I'm just here to be a part of the community. Thank you for letting me do just that, be a part of the community - what Misplaced Pages is about. Icemountain2 03:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for putting lyrics in the talk page. I won't do that again- SCB '92

No problem. Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). KillerChihuahua 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

User Insulted Me

What do I do? A user on my talk page insulted me. The user is Pedro12 License2Kill 18:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC) I left a warning on his page on October 29. The place to report insults and attacks is WP:PAIN. This one has been dealt with, though, so no need to add it. You can always just remind them that Misplaced Pages has a policy of being civil and not making attacks - as long as you're polite about it, it hopefully won't escalate the situation. KillerChihuahua 21:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the help. License2Kill 22:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

you were right all along...

I didn't know about the ancient and mystic history of the schools debate.

Why doesn't someone just make school pages into a separate Wiki? Then we would all be happy. They could do whatever they wanted without any hassle, since they would have their own space to fill as they like...--Ling.Nut 23:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, like most ancient and mystic histories, it has become a True Cause to support and defend whatever side you're on. There are those who state clearly they realize not all schools are notable - yet they automatically vote "Keep per WP:SCHOOLS" on every afd anyway. It used to be colleges, then high schools, now, heaven help us, it is the elementary schools. Cruft. The good news is that Misplaced Pages is not paper, and the world will not end if we're buried in school stubs for completely non-notable little schools. It is analogous to having an article about every ice skating rink - Madge Syers, Dorothy Hamill, and Michelle Kwan only practiced at a few, but hey! All ice skating rinks are notable because skaters learn to skate there. Only schools are even less notable, because (at least in the US and GB) they are mandatory, so everyone went to a school, making them more ubiquitous. I would say the only exception is home schooling, which is rare anyway, but recently a homeshcooling group had an article. KillerChihuahua 13:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've come to realize that the question of whether some very ordinary elementary school in a very ordinary suburb deserves its own article is pretty small potatoes when we have a number of editors who feel that Misplaced Pages cannot be a quality encyclopedia without an amply illustrated article about every slang term for a sexual act. -- Donald Albury 13:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Precisely. There are much more worthy issues and uses of our time - but I will continue opposing a policy which basically states "all schools are notable." Othewise, I'm too busy explaining why MySpace and blogs are not usually reliable sources for such things as conspiracy theories, and why we cannot allow extreme minority positions on scientific subjects primary treatment in articles, and why we cannot have "Abortion is MURDER because GOD says so!" as the intro to the Abortion article. Have fun with those slang sexual acts, Dal - I don't envy you that job. Maybe we should start a school for slang sexual acts, then it would have an article, then we could merge all those terms into the school article, yes? KillerChihuahua 13:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

If we merge all of the school and sex slang articles into one big article, do you think it would be big enough to form a black hole? -- Donald Albury 23:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you think the mass index will be high enough to suck in all the "My pet" and "My garage band" and "My classmate is a (offensive sexual term)" articles? Lovely dream... KillerChihuahua 14:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, I don't think the policy is that all schools are notable. It's that notability doesn't apply to schools. A subtle difference that I cherish. Regards, Ben Aveling 05:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Your Signature

The link in my signature goes to a page that has a link to my userpage and talk page. I will change it though Geo. 01:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that - but I much appreciate your consideration for others in not making them go through your Esperanza page before reaching you. KillerChihuahua 13:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Davescot

66.61.157.76 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) appears to be Dave evading his block. The location and ISP are identical to the other IP. JoshuaZ 04:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

MfD comment

thanks for making your comment with delete on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Admin school. I had not realized I had been so unclear. I have clarified my position, as I certainly did not mean to assert one cannot learn. KillerChihuahua 01:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

You can find my response there as well. _└  / _talk  15:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page as discussion has been fragmented. KillerChihuahua 15:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Puppy with a mop!

Thanks for cleaning up the personal attacks on my talk page Evidently someone in Manchester thinks poorly of us. :) Justin Eiler 16:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely no problem whatsoever - and the Manchesterian is in serious error in his or her poor opinion of you - One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua 20:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for accidentally reverting your page. I was also on the trail of Mr./Ms. Manchester and in angrily deleting the vandalism must not have noticed I was in a diff, rather than the appropriate current version. Thanks for thwacking the vandal with your mop! --Kathryn NicDhàna 21:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

re: nom

OK! OK! I'm having trouble keeping up with things as it is, but then who would notice if I fall a day or two behind on my watchlist? -- Donald Albury 15:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message

Did you have a question to ask me? I'd hate to think you were wikistalking me. Arniep 00:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

A rather bold assertion without any data to back it up. Seems to me the request was to archive given the length of the page -- perhaps I'm missing something. •Jim62sch• 10:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes you're missing the fact that after a previous dispute KC followed me to a page she had never edited and took the side of the person who was disputing my edit. Arniep 17:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Arniep, see Misplaced Pages:Wikistalking#Wikistalking. I have not ever wikistalked anyone, which consists of following an editor from one article to another and editing in opposition to the target's edits. As I have edited 3074 unique articles, and do RC patrol from time to time, and have at most edited 2 or 3 of the same articles you have edited, your charge of wikistalking for a perfectly civil request on your talk page to archive your talk page is inaccurate at best and a personal attack at worst. Perhaps you would care to re-examine your accusation and retract? KillerChihuahua 14:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Why were you looking at my page at all when our dispute ended a number of days ago? Arniep 17:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Arniep, respond to what KC has written, not to some nonsense floating around in your head. Have you, given the definition of wikistalking, any evidence to back up your claim. If not, stop dancing and retract your accusation. •Jim62sch• 21:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

"Harassment"

Hehe.. I figured as much. :) Cheers, Fang Aili 14:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Words of wisdom

Thank you for the words of wisdom. They made me laugh and they're useful. — Saxifrage ✎ 18:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad you got a chuckle from that. I meant what I said tho! If you need any help, let me know and I will help if I can. KillerChihuahua 18:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the offer, and I will! — Saxifrage ✎ 22:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support!

Award

In appreciation of your efforts to keep userpages free from the annoyance of spinning, twinkling, and flapping animations, I award you this cute little fellow. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 01:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC).

ROFL, its a LIVE bird! Which flaps and hops (but thankfully does not spin or twinkle!) thanks, Bishy. I'll... well, I'll probably shoot it one of these days. *grin* KillerChihuahua 02:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

RFCU warranted?

From the William Connolley article mess, I believe that user:Sarah Williams is a sock of User:MarkThomas.

If you look at Sarah's contribution history and edits, he has done nothing but support MarkThomas in editorial disputes, his first two edits are to add Interiot's tool and popups to his monobook ( and ) and his next edit was to evade 3rr for Mark here. And he's still doing it. Does this fall under obvious abusive sock that can be blocked on sight by an admin, or should I file a RFCU?? --tjstrf Now on editor review! 10:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Putting aside any considerations of the above-mentioned dispute, as an aside: there's nothing borderline about Phil Woods - he easily fulfils notability requirements. Guy Hatton 10:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

yes that was actually kindof my point (Woods).

As far as checkuser, make a request at RFCU. KillerChihuahua 10:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It is clearly a sock or meat account, though... hrm. Lemme think about this one. KillerChihuahua 11:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually Sarah is my girlfriend and not a sockpuppet, but I realise from the way these things are analysed this would be difficult to tell! Short of getting her own separate internet connection, presumably there's nothing we can do about this? MarkThomas 09:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Have her note it on her user page, and note it on yours, that you are two different people who share internet access. That will at least make it clear that you are aware of how it looks. However, even if not a sock, she could be percieved as a meatpuppet. It would be best if you edit different articles, expecially if they are articles which have content disputes. KillerChihuahua 10:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Puppy howling

You beat me to it...good bark you got there, puppy!--MONGO 11:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks! I try. It does not seem to have had any effect - the only part he noticed was the Jimbo quote, and he didn't bother to look at the sig. KillerChihuahua 11:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

?Of course I noticed who it was from. Why is that important exactly? Am I missing some Admin cabal in-joke here? I am just still in a state of astonishment at the extent to which Jimbo Wales, and you, his personal assistants, are willing to break the rules of WP willy-nilly to support a buddy's vanity page. The patrol thing is nonsense - of the two cases you cite, one is clearly not a vanity page. The puppy should maybe take a leak. MarkThomas 11:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

1. Then why did you say "tjstrf has also stated that Jimbo Wales is firmly in favour of this page"?
2. I'm not Jimbo's personal assistant. That you could say that shows a gross misunderstanding of how Misplaced Pages works, and the role of admins.
3. I have broken no rules. Retract your accusation as an unwarrented personal attack, or post evidence.
4. WMC is not a "buddy" of mine. I don't even know him. Your personal accusations with no evidence are mounting.
5. That was my point, see above. Apparently a poorly made point, as the only two comments I've recived on that took the post the same way you did.
6. "Take a leak"? Personal rudness and incivility, possible personal attack #3, albeit borderline. Is there a reason you are trolling here? KillerChihuahua 12:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for my over-reactions and general flameage over all this, guess I got a bit too heated up. Thanks for intervening intelligently in it all. Also apologies for the chimp photo thing. :-) I will now go back to editing humanities articles where (most of the time) I get to stay a little calmer! MarkThomas 09:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Apology accepted - you might want to bookmark WP:CHILL - the world really will not end tomorrow if something isn't fixed today. And good call on focusing on articles which you don't have such a strong position - I often reccomend people edit articles they don't care much about, for that very reason. Easy to stay calm if you have no strong feelings one way or the other. KillerChihuahua 10:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

AU

My edits on the page "Americans United for the Separation of Church and State" were not personal views.

The article claims AU is a "religious freedom advocacy group". However, in many cases they have fought AGAINST religious freedom. This article is biased, and is presenting a signle opinion as FACT. I'm simply trying to show the other point of view. By editing out my additions, you are censoring out one side of this issue, thereby harming the credibility of the article.

For the sake of your own personal integrity, please re-add my edits so that this article may have some modicum of credibility, instead of being an advertisement for AU. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.241.167.89 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Must be a full moon.  ;-P •Jim62sch• 10:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

No, but it is Mercury Retrograde :-) --Kathryn NicDhàna 00:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Books

I just realised... Thanks. •Jim62sch• 09:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

lyrics

Am I allowed to create a lyric article?- SCB '92 12:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It depends. If its copyrighted, no. If it is not, then you can, on Wikisource. KillerChihuahua 13:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

So I can't write a song that already exists?- SCB '92 12:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Not the lyrics, no, not if it is copyrighted. That would be copyright infringement. KillerChihuahua 12:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

???

What the hell is with all the chickens?!!!^^%#&*&%#^#!!!!?? •Jim62sch• 00:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

its an "Award" for diligently removing annoying animated gifs. *sigh*. Bishonen has a sick, sick sense of humor. Of course, since I replaced her annoying animated flapping bird with an image of dead birds.... I feel like I almost deserve Jr. Hoppy-Flappy-Cheerful up there. See above, section User talk:KillerChihuahua#Award KillerChihuahua 12:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I should add that it was one bird, until Bunchofgrapes noticed I'd replaced his annoying flappy bird with a tasteful image of grapes. He multiplied mine in rebuke. KillerChihuahua 12:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your honor, I object. Let the record show that my aesthetically pleasing multiplying came shortly after this edit instead. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Overruled! The court finds that annoying flappy birds are indeed grounds for substitition and recriminations: KillerChihuahua 16:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You honor, the prosecution regrets it must now drop the current case and refile in criminal court; KillerChihuahua will be facing the very serious charge of first-degree boidicide. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I had noticed that it appeared to be a tit-for-tat exchange by admins behaving badly.  ;) •Jim62sch• 14:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

badly? What badly? We cannot ever have any fun? Bah, go read your ancient latin or tagalog or whatever your current language is. KillerChihuahua 14:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Licet bovi, non licet Iovi aut divorum minorum. Pbbbttthhhhhhhhhhht! •Jim62sch• 16:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

In englitch, pls? (englitch NOT typo) KillerChihuahua 16:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi there KillerChihuahua, thanks for your words of wisdom! I'll definitely keep them in mind while going after the puppies:) -- Lost 17:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

A thousand humble apologies

Aw crap, I can't believe this. I've followed your work since before I started editing WP, and you're on my list of "Editors to learn from". Now our first interaction together and I pissed you off. Please accept my apologies, along with a brief explanation: I posted to Judderman85 because on an article Talkpage he ahd expressed uncertainty and a reluctance to be bold. I just wanted to provide him with useful info and links, and give him a bit of encouragement. I'm truely sorry that you were insulted by my post, and the way I formatted the page. While hoping that Judderman85 won't object to further screwing around with his Talkpage, I'm going to revert myself. I didn't realize that a second welcome was such poor form. Again, I apologize. --Doc Tropics 22:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: In order to avoid removing your second edit, I simply deleted my message manually, rather than revert the page itself. I hope that clears things up. --Doc Tropics 22:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

No worries, and you didn't have to revert (remove) - I would put it back except we really will confuse poor Judderman85. I take it the post you were thinking of was Talk:Abortion? I thought your encouragement there was excellent.

I am humbled and honored I'm an "editor to learn from" - I hope I am worthy of emulation. If I ever err, however, do not hesitate to let me know! KillerChihuahua 22:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Whew, glad it's not a problem. Just so you know, I wasn't bullshitting KC. You are one of several admins that I watch and try to learn from, hoping that I'll be a good admin myself one day. In particular, I've seen any number of situations on contentious Talkpages where you maintain a cool and reasonable demeanor while firmly rebutting nonsense. And of course there's your traditional closing "...just one pup's opinion" - always good for a smile :) --Doc Tropics 23:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Bumper Stickers?

--FloNight 00:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

YES! I'll order them immedjetlee! Happy puppy! KillerChihuahua 00:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)