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Why do "single-party state" and "one-party system" exist as separate articles with links to each other, rather than one of them just being a redirect page pointing to the other? Michael Hardy 21:41 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

I think you can safely go ahead and merge them. --Kaihsu 21:46 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Anyone want to go ahead and complete Political party, Christian democracy, and a proper Populism (scandalous gaping holes in Misplaced Pages)? --Kaihsu 21:53 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Two out of three now. Anyone taking Christian democracy? --Kaihsu 17:50, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

If one-party state is one where no opposition parties are allowed, PRC is not a one party state. If a one-party state is one in which one party dominates, and other parties are inconsequential, you can call PRC a one party state. This needs to be cleared up in the article, though. Slrubenstein

Communism multi-party

East Germany and Communist Poland were not single-party. There were some Agrarian Party and so. Not that they were very effective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.224.97.143 (talk • contribs) 15:39, March 25, 2004 (UTC).

Those miniscule parties were allowed to exist as evidence of some measure of formal democracy, but they never could win enough seats to challenge the Communist Parties of the countries in question. Rigged elections ensured that small non-Communist parties not subservient to the Communists had no real power.

Even a guarantee of an assured majority for one Party, so long as that Party operates in lockstep, ensures that the Party will get its way in all parliamentary proceedings, and real power is in the Party leadership. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paul from Michigan (talk • contribs) 06:01, June 30, 2006 (UTC).

Western Sahara

Is Western Sahara single-party (supposing it is a state, that is)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.224.97.143 (talk • contribs) 15:39, March 25, 2004 (UTC).

Morocco controls it and allows it to elect parliamentarians, so it is essentially subject to the Moroccan political system. —Sesel 20:03, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Capitalism

Where in the world has a one party state arisen from Capitalism? Let's see Hong Kong doesn't have a one party system, neither does the United States. Canada, the UK, please someone tell me where a one party state has arisen from Capitalism. Don't get it mixed up with Corporatism either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.71.223.140 (talk • contribs) November 11, 2005 (UTC) .

You obviously don't know about world history. Here are only 26 examples; there are MANY more:

• Bangladesh (Ershad)
• Burundi (Bagaza, Buyoya)
• Cambodia (Lon Nol)
• Cameroon (Ahidjo, Biya)
• Central African Republic (Dacko, Bokassa, Kolingba)
• Chad (Tombalbaye, Habré, Déby)
• Côte d'Ivoire (Houphouët-Boigny)
• Djibouti (Gouled)
• Dominican Republic (Trujillo, Balaguer)
• Equatorial Guinea (Obiang Nguema Mbasogo)
• Gabon (M'ba, Bongo)
• Guatemala (Ubico)
• Indonesia (Suharto)
• Kenya (Moi)
• Liberia (True Whig Party)
• Malawi (Banda)
• Mauritania (Daddah, Salek, Haidalla, Louly, Bouceif, Taya)
• Niger (Diori, Kountché, Saibou, Maïnassara)
• Pakistan (Ayub, Yahya, Zia)
• Paraguay (Stroessner)
• Philippines (Marcos)
• Portugal (Salazar, Caetano)
• Rwanda (Kayibanda, Habyarimana)
• Taiwan (Chiang Kai-shek and successors)
• Togo (Olympio, Eyadéma)
• Tunisia (Bourguiba)

—Seselwa 00:38, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

You obviously don't know much about capitalism or economics, all of those countries have very low levels of economic freedom (capitalism). Hong Kong, Iceland, Estonia, Ireland, Luxembourgh, Singapore (dominant party state), Denmark, New Zealand, USA,UK, Australia all have the highest levels of economic freedom and (with the exception of Singapore) are unarguably not single party states. Get your facts together. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.72.176.167 (talk • contribs) 20:29, June 30, 2006 (UTC).

NPOV

I have edited the article in an attempt at a more neutral point of view. As it stood before my edits, the article had a strong point of view that a single-party state was not democratic, and therefore was evil (for example the idea that a single party state needs to "justify" the fact that it is a single party state). I also attempted to move items dealing with the definition and function of a single party state more to the top of the article, and moved discussion on the overlap of dictatorship and the single party system more toward the bottom. Ignus 01:40, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm concerned that this article is now biased slightly in favour of single-party states. The article cites supporters of single-party states; not enough people credibly hold this opinion for it to be given equal weight. The article should state more strongly the association between dictatorship and single-party states. A single-party state, after all, is not democratic. Alksub 07:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

One-party states aren't liberal democracies, but that doesn't make them inherently non-democratic. —Sesel 07:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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Can anyone please label the other colors in the first map shown in the article. It just states that 'brown' color are single party states, what about other colors ? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sai Kumar Banala (talk • contribs) 23:23, May 2, 2006 (UTC).

Singapore

This article is about states where there is extraordinarly power used to enforce single party (the consitution and/or military) and not merely a dominant political party, no matter how large it's voting margin. Accordingly, I'm dropping Singapore. Jon 18:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone added the Singapore entry with "other parties exist but face governmental and judicial discrimination" as justification. "Discrimination", however, is not the same as an outright constitutional ban as is the gist of this article. Which democracy today dosent feature discrimination between political parties, anyhow?--Huaiwei 15:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The article clearly differs between states that are de jure single-party states and de facto single party state. Singapore is a de facto single-party state, and should be included. --Regebro 15:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Singapore has a opposition scene which is much more alive and kicking than what western liberals would like the world to believe, which far differentiates it from any of the so-called "de facto" single-party states. When you have a source saying "Citizens of Singapore cannot change their government democratically", it immediately looses all credibility as far as I am concerned. The ruling party wouldnt need to work so desperately hard, including having to get its usually straight-laced politicians to let themselves loose in night clubs if this was true!--Huaiwei 16:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Instantnood's political views on Singapore

- User:Huaiwei has insisted that Singapore is not a single-party state, despite it's decribed as such elsewhere from Misplaced Pages , even by an academic from the National University of Singapore (). He argued Singapore has a dorminant-party system but not a single-party system, since in single-party states no parties other than the governing ones exist . He also challenged to accept the fact that non-governing parties in the People's Republic of China, North Korea and Syria are legal .

The real side of the fact is that in countries like Japan there's no law preventing other parties to challenge the governing party. In Singapore politicians in opposition are frequently sued by the government into bankruptcy, and the electoral system is such designed that the opposition parties have trouble to fill candidates to stand in elections. Although not a good thing according to modern western standard, this can be a good thing and might have been a positive factor contributing to Singapore's economic success. Yet he has accused me for being disruptive, and has requested attention on my edits from his fellow Singaporeans . — Instantnood 19:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Huaiwei is right, Singapore is not a single-party state. --Vsion 04:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparantly my request has been proven effective. Your only justifications to call Singapore a "single-party state" are based on what you consider "real". Are you therefore suggesting all other contributors are faking things here on wikipedia? I would certainly think this comment warrants the attention of the entire Singaporean wikicommunity, irrespective of where they marked their crosses on their voting slips a few months ago.

You argue, that "politicians in opposition are frequently sued by the government into bankruptcy". Have you done a profiling exercise on these individuals to form a nuetral position on this issue? Are you able to show, that politial parties are rendered illegal by this action? Has the opposition been sued to oblivion? Just how many opposition members were sued, in ratio to the entire opposition community here?

You argue, that "the electoral system is such designed that the opposition parties have trouble to fill candidates to stand in elections". Care to elaborate on this electorial system, and how it works to that effect? Also mind telling us if all other democracies on planet earth do not engage in similar actions to maintain and/or enhance their own political position?--Huaiwei 13:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

And by the above, I hope you are not calling Singapore a "single-party state" on just these two points alone?--Huaiwei 13:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand how one would loves his country, but it's never a rational manner to called upon attention of any community, with the only reason to be shared geographical origin. From the perspectives from within Singapore these politicians may be deserved for their sentences, but there are many different views from the rest of the world, and these views should also be represented on Misplaced Pages. As for the electoral system, I guess I've explained why. To elaborate, parties in opposition have difficulties to fill candidates in the multi-member constituencies, allowing candidates from the ruling party to be declared winners unopposed. No ruling party in any liberal and democratic polity in the world would have manipulated the electoral system as such. The Singapore experience is far more an issue than, say, Gerrymandering. — Instantnood 10:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I note with a touch of humour that the word "love" is being used in such a context and in this discussion. Could you discuss how someone's "love" for a country is of any relevance to a discourse on a political system in a said political entity?

If it is never "rationale" to call up wikimembers from a community in this instance, would you stand by the assertion that all such similar actions are irrational and unjustified in all instances in wikipedia? And would you dare swear to God that you have never done the same?

On what basis do you comment that the perspective from within Singapore supports the sentencing each of the said politicians receive? Are you therefore suggesting, that the world abeit Singapore is against these sentences? That all 4 million souls in Singapore are supporting these sentences with both hands raised? That Singaporean contibutors are unable to write balanced, NPOV articles without the help of the global community?

Your statement on the electoral system is simply a longer sentence from your original comment, with no new information added, and no explaination whatsoever. Just how is this political tool unique to Singapore, how "serious" is it in relation to the global democratic community, and if being "unique" means greater damage to the democratic process? Perhaps you also missed the point of my original comment. I used the words "similar actions", but this does refer merely to what you are attempting (quite poorly) to describe, but includes every means of keeping a political party in power. How would you like to comment in this?

If the "Singapore experience" goes beyond Gerrymandering, mind telling us just what goes beyond that? How do these collectively render Singapore a single-party state? Since you consider yourself in the position to critique Singapore's political system to the point of calling it a single-party state, I would certainly think you have much more to say than this? What is holding you back? Self-censorship?

It appears to me that in one fell swoop, you have made plenty of dangerous comments. I would think we all (and that doesnt refer only to Singaporeans) deserve a full explaination on each of them.--Huaiwei 10:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You can find the answer to most of your questions here: http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&year=2005&country=6829 Singapore is not a democracy, and is de facto a single-party state. --Regebro 15:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I challenge you to answer each question above based on that source. Then we can get about debating over them point by point.--Huaiwei 16:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)