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Serbophobia

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Fixing incomplete AfD - neutral. Demiurge 22:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"SERBOPHOBIA & BOSNIAKOPHOBIA"

In the beginning, Serbophobia returned only 2 matches at Google. When Serbs introduced this word to Misplaced Pages, thanks to thousands of scrapper pages, Google now returns close to 3,000 matches (all copies of Misplaced Pages content). Serbophobia was also nominated for deletion in the past etc, but nobody deleted it. Now, people want to delete Bosniakophobia. I contest the deletion of Bosniakophobia and suggest - if you want to delete Bosniakophobia, then you should also delete Serbophobia. Since you haven't deleted Serbophobia, please keep your hands away from Bosniakophobia. Let's play it fair.

Either delete both or don't delete any.

Here is an excerpt of some of discussion about this article dating back to December 2005 (by Asim Led):

This word ( Serbophobia )does not deserve an article of its own, it’s a term devised for explicitly political purposes during the late 80s and early 90s. It can not be compared to "Russophobia" or "Islamophobia" because both of these deal with prevalent general social attitudes against ethnic and religious groups based on their culture and heritage. The term Serbophobia, on the other hand, is used virtually exclusively in a political context, in either an accusatory manner or as a justification. To say that it is "comparatively" as common as the term "Russophobia" is ridiculous, and based on some shady calculation certain users made involving army size and GDP. A simple Google search shows that the term "Russophobia" is far, far more common than "Serbophobia". Of the results that do show up on Google, I think they adequately manifest the nature of this term and exactly why it does not belong on Misplaced Pages. Of the initial 10 results that come up on the first page: The #1 result is the respective Misplaced Pages article 2 come from a radical right political site 6 of them come from the same two Serbian political writers and analysts. 1 comes from a book on Serbian propaganda efforts during the late 80s and early 90s If this all wasn't enough, the single legitimate source provided has been completely misinterpreted. The quote reads as follows: "Furthering this incipient nation-fever was the extraordinary memorandum issued to the public in 1986 by the prestigious Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences, condemning the perceived presence of "Serbophobia" in the central government of Yugoslavia." The use of this as a reference for some traditional use of the term would be fine and dandy if the word wasn’t placed in quotes; but it is. This is because the author views the term with skepticism and questions its validity, implying (just as Dado mentioned) that the word was used by Serb officials to drum up support amongst the populace for their nationalist policies. I challenge any neutral observer to read the context of the word, notice the tone of the passage, read the preceding paragraphs, and not reach the same conclusion as I did.

Bosniak 22:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Serbophobia

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Fixing incomplete AfD - neutral. Demiurge 22:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"SERBOPHOBIA & BOSNIAKOPHOBIA"

In the beginning, Serbophobia returned only 2 matches at Google. When Serbs introduced this word to Misplaced Pages, thanks to thousands of scrapper pages, Google now returns close to 3,000 matches (all copies of Misplaced Pages content). Serbophobia was also nominated for deletion in the past etc, but nobody deleted it. Now, people want to delete Bosniakophobia. I contest the deletion of Bosniakophobia and suggest - if you want to delete Bosniakophobia, then you should also delete Serbophobia. Since you haven't deleted Serbophobia, please keep your hands away from Bosniakophobia. Let's play it fair.

Either delete both or don't delete any.

Here is an excerpt of some of discussion about this article dating back to December 2005 (by Asim Led):

This word ( Serbophobia )does not deserve an article of its own, it’s a term devised for explicitly political purposes during the late 80s and early 90s. It can not be compared to "Russophobia" or "Islamophobia" because both of these deal with prevalent general social attitudes against ethnic and religious groups based on their culture and heritage. The term Serbophobia, on the other hand, is used virtually exclusively in a political context, in either an accusatory manner or as a justification. To say that it is "comparatively" as common as the term "Russophobia" is ridiculous, and based on some shady calculation certain users made involving army size and GDP. A simple Google search shows that the term "Russophobia" is far, far more common than "Serbophobia". Of the results that do show up on Google, I think they adequately manifest the nature of this term and exactly why it does not belong on Misplaced Pages. Of the initial 10 results that come up on the first page: The #1 result is the respective Misplaced Pages article 2 come from a radical right political site 6 of them come from the same two Serbian political writers and analysts. 1 comes from a book on Serbian propaganda efforts during the late 80s and early 90s If this all wasn't enough, the single legitimate source provided has been completely misinterpreted. The quote reads as follows: "Furthering this incipient nation-fever was the extraordinary memorandum issued to the public in 1986 by the prestigious Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences, condemning the perceived presence of "Serbophobia" in the central government of Yugoslavia." The use of this as a reference for some traditional use of the term would be fine and dandy if the word wasn’t placed in quotes; but it is. This is because the author views the term with skepticism and questions its validity, implying (just as Dado mentioned) that the word was used by Serb officials to drum up support amongst the populace for their nationalist policies. I challenge any neutral observer to read the context of the word, notice the tone of the passage, read the preceding paragraphs, and not reach the same conclusion as I did.

Bosniak 22:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - this reeks of WP:POINT ("if you want to delete Bosniakophobia, then you should also delete Serbophobia"). For what it's worth Bosniakophobia probably should be deleted, as it gets precisely ZERO hits in Google. Also, just because the article has been nominated for deletion (unsuccessfully) twice before, that doesn't mean it should have been deleted ("Serbophobia was also nominated for deletion in the past etc, but nobody deleted it"). Furthermore, there are 1,250 Google hits when you search for "serbophobia -wikipedia -wiki" (i.e. when Misplaced Pages is eliminated). Granted, many are useless rubbish, but there are also many reputable sources in there. Finally, it's not clear why this being nominated for a third time (!) when no new arguments have been presented. // Еstavisti 22:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - The article doesn't have proper cites and several relevant internal and external links. --Doc Tropics 23:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - After reviewing the content of Bosniakophobia, its deletion discussion, and further comments made here, it's simply not possible to accept this as a good-faith nomination. This is clearly an attempt to make a point. If it is possible to Speedy Delete an AfD, this should be Speedied immediately to prevent further disruption. --Doc Tropics 23:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep, WP:POINT nomination. Weregerbil 23:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, good faith nomination. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 00:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, as per above, this nomination's only purpose was to make a point. These types of disruptions should be speedy kept to discourage this type of behavior in the future. // Laughing Man 04:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. This nomination for deletion is well founded. PANONIAN (talk) 12:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. This appears not to be a well-established term; I suspect the nomination is simply disrupting Misplaced Pages to make a point. —Psychonaut 12:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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