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RfC

Would you please comment on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Muhammad#Request_for_Comment Thanks --Aminz 10:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please do so. Str1977 11:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your presence Tom in discussions on Muhammad's talk page. Tom, aside from these heated discussions, would you please have a look at my work here http://en.wikipedia.org/Islamic_view_of_Jesus%27_death#Christian_interpretation . Of course it is all original research but I tried to write what I've learned from the Bible. I tried to write it in a way that is most understandable to Muslims. Your correction/feedback is very appreciated. --Aminz 09:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that is very well expressed. You have understood Paul at least as well as I ever do - I often find Paul's letters difficult. I would not say it is original research, but a good summary of a main branch of Christian thought. If people want citations to something other than the Bible, we could include a reference to something by C.S. Lewis. It is interesting and valuable to have a Muslim inrepretation of Christian thought. I will read the rest of the page, and watch it for a while to see how it goes. Tom Harrison 14:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Tom. I considered it original research because Bible, itself, is not a secondary source. But I cheated here :) Thanks very much anyways, --Aminz 22:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Islamic extremist terrorism

Hi Tom. We are facing a very tendious editor at the article. There was a concensus about not inserting a large section that deals w/ a specific case of Mohammed Reza Taheriazar. User:DAde doesn't seem to understand the way it works over here. Could you please have a look? -- Szvest 16:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your asking me, but I am trying to reduce my work on controversial pages right now. Tom Harrison 16:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Tom. I understand that. No worries. See you around. -- Szvest 11:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

incorrect spelling "Ancient Greece", "Ancient Rome", "Ancient Egypt", etc.

{{Editprotected}}

I've tried to get rid of this erroneous spelling in most articles and titles (except where first word), but an administrator has to fix this problem (=> ancient) in all the categories. All references to "ancient Greece" and "ancient Greeks" (and the Roman and Egyptian and other equivalents) should be spelled that way. In the case of the language "Ancient Greek" as a noun and adjective and the demonym "ancient Greek(s)" as a noun and adjective, one has to be careful where to capitalise and where not.

Is there some way of automating this kind of correction in numerous articles? --Espoo 10:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

That template is to ask an admin to edit a protected page. You should be able to correct spelling errors without needing an administrator. If an article you want to edit is protected, put the {{Editprotected}} template on that article's talk page. If the mispelling is in the title, you can move the page to the correct title. See Help:Moving a page. If I have misunderstood what you need, or can otherwise help, please leave a message on my talk page. Tom Harrison 18:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you misunderstood me; categories are protected pages and can't be edited or moved by normal users. I now figured out what was wrong with the directions for and automated links on CFD as explained on User_talk:Espoo#Category:Finland-Swedish.

And my second question was is there a way of automating the manual correction (that i have been carrying out tediously) of identical problems on many different pages and page titles? E.g. is there some bot that can find all instances of "Ancient Greece" not at the beginning of a sentence and correct them to "ancient Greece"? Thanks, --Espoo 22:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I see. I'm glad it's sorted out now. To deal with the the repetitive edits, AutoWikiBrowser is popular, or you might try a scriptable external editor, or look at Misplaced Pages:Text editor support. Tom Harrison 23:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

SFCG Co., Ltd.

I've finished the translation of SFCG Co., Ltd. from the Japanese wiki that you requested (some time ago now). As I wrote before, the article is very POV, but I translated it as it was anyway. I haven't investigated, but it seems like the news over the company has died down a little now - perhaps no-one is interested in the article any more? -- Grgcox 12:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I do not know much about the subject, but I will try to go through the article and make it neutral. Even if some of it has to be deleted, your translation will still be available as a resource. Tom Harrison 13:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Protecting a deleted article from recreation

Hi. I was asked to prevent the recreation of Skinu, which seems reasonable. I have never done it and I thought I would ask you as you seem to be online. Sorry to bother you. --Guinnog 16:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. --Guinnog 17:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Grapes of wrath

Hello, i am writing you in regards to a "improper use" message I received. It was said that from my computer (IP address: 216.83.116.2), there was a wiki "vandalism" on a Grapes of Wrath article. I can assure you that I was not the culprit, as I am a physicist, and would never think of editing (or even visiting) a grapes of wrath article. To see that I am a serious wiki user, check my addition of the article on the "Curie constant".

If you are unrelated to this incident, could you please direct me to someone who is? Thank you very much.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.83.116.2 (talk • contribs) .

Thank you for your contribution. If the warning does not apply to you, please ignore it. Unless you choose a user name and log in, all edits are attributed to the ip address that they come from. These are the contributions from 216.83.116.2. Tom Harrison 20:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Bias

Tom clearly has an Islamic bias against all other religions. His admin duty is being compromised by either his hate for Christianity or his biased preference for Islam—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.118.86.22 (talk • contribs) .

I am keeping this one; no doubt it will come in handy one day. Tom Harrison 21:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Niiiiiice... lol. (→Netscott) 21:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh; I need to keep a list. I do not think any Parsis, Sikhs, or Taoists have accused me of bias yet. These are just some religions that come to mind. That I mentioned or did not mention a particular religion should not to be taken as an indication of favor, indifference, or hostility. This is about recent edits to Job (Biblical figure), by the way. Tom Harrison 22:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Smiley Award

Feel free to place this award on your user page. User:Pedia-I/SmileyAward1

Thanks! It's always nice to see a friendly face. Tom Harrison 01:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Shoot

Really?! Okay. I mixed what Lewis says about heretics and what Esposito says indignents and non-mainstream. Let me check my sources again. --Aminz 23:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. --Aminz 23:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Secret Ties to Hamas

Tom, you are incorrect. It makes more sense to link from that because the phrase is more applicable when discussing controversies. Prominence never crossed my mind. Secret ties to Hamas IS one of the controversies, Tammy Lee's accusations are not, and for that reason I am reverting your edit again.

By the way, the way you throw around wikipolicy is arrogant and unnecessary. I have read the policies and I think you need to get a hobby other that Misplaced Pages. Thanks. V105memorial 01:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)v105memorial

Tina Campbell

Quick request - withdraw and close out the AfD you started? Since you've suggested keeping at this point, it falls well within the speedy keep criteria. Thanks! --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll go and say I withdraw my recommendation and support a speedy keep, but I would prefer that someone else close it as keep. If you want to close it as keep, I'll support that. Tom Harrison 14:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocking IP 213.42.2.22

This appeared when I attempted to edit a page. In the UAE, most connections go through the sole ISP which dynamically assigns IP addresses. Therefore, when you block one, you are making it difficult for a large number of users. The one you want to target simply needs to wait a few seconds or minutes for his/her IP to change. Or disconnect and reconnect.

Help?

Hi, I just saw you were active, can you see ? The guy is out of control. Thanks. --AW 16:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked him for 31 hours for this edit summary: . Tom Harrison 16:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! --AW 16:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Fys

Hi Tom, I think that Thatcher131 misunderstood the situation: see my reply of 16:44 at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Fys_breaching_probation.2C_breaking_article_ban.2C_edit_warring_again. --BrownHairedGirl 16:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Shuppiluliuma (talk · contribs)

User has continued posting personal attacks, with "f--- you, wh---" in turkish being their most recent post. JBKramer 17:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. It might be best to ignore him and see if he cools off. His user page can be protected if it gets too bad. Tom Harrison 17:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

User block

Dear Tom Harrison, Sorry for intervene.I dont aim to discuss your block decision for User:Shuppiluliuma. In reality he is a good editor, but I think a litle bit sensitive and nervous. As you can see, many Greek editors pus unilateral POVs to Turkey related pages. I saw that this user had been one side of edit-rv war. I will send a message to this user to calm and look for consensus,just now. Is it possible to lighten block period.Watch him later, if he would continue in distrruptive manner than block again for more long period.(Just an offer) Regards. Mustafa Akalp 17:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

External links

Hello Tom Harrison,

here

• http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Tom_harrison/external_links

you wrote: "I downloaded a database dump from a few days ago, and was able to extract a very rough list of some of the sites we link to, sorted by how many links we give them".
On your list there is my website: sengpielaudio with the number 96.
Are there problems? Can I help you?
I am retired sound engineer and I try to give to the students what they need.
My homepage is my hobby. There are absolutely no advertisements and there will never be. I love Misplaced Pages. I am no firm and I am alone.
As an example here is the Misplaced Pages word "Cutoff frequency"

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Cutoff_frequency

At the end you find my External links:
Calculation of the center frequency with geometric mean and comparison to the arithmetic mean solution

• http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-geommean.htm

and
Conversion of cutoff frequency f_c and time constant τ

• http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-timeconstant.htm

See for yourself, here are only helpful hints, nothing more and nothing less.
My most famous website is

• http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Calculations03.htm

and my Misplaced Pages vita is here:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Eberhard_Sengpiel

Now think for yourself, or ask me.

Kind regards from Berlin, Germany

Eberhard Sengpiel

• mailto:webmaster@sengpielaudio.com
• http://www.sengpielaudio.com

There is not necessarily a problem with your links or any of those listed. It is just a list of external links. As you see, we have more than 10000 links to Amazon.com, wolfram.com, cnn.com, and others, 546 to wordpress.com, 50 portlandtribune.com, and so on. So what? I don't know. I have not really tried to extract any useful information from it. Certainly having your site listed there does not mean you are a spammer, any more than amazon.com, mit.edu, or nasa.gov. Tom Harrison 19:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that my pure human doing without any ads is not often to find. More over we find really heavy spam. I hope you find the right way. Thank you and kind regards. Eberhard Sengpiel --Ebs1 20:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Comparison

Tom, I have no intention of making a negative picture of Christianity. I just want to write against the prevelant myth of Islamic violence and persecution. I had formerly added a sentence comparing treatment of non-orthodox christians (Syrians, etc) under Muslim rule and Christian rule. But it was reverted saying it is irrelevant. When I was encountered such strong opposition, I tried to aviod this comparison by simply presenting facts. Now, I see it is also reverted. There is nothing in that section which suggests how Syrian Christians welcomed Muslim rulers and even helped them so much that they were exempted from taxation for awhile. Nothing showing relative good behaviour of Muslims towards Christians. Again, it is not my intention to make a negative picture of Christianity though it is easily possible, you know. If editors there don't tease me, as they did before by reporting me for 3rr reversion over *rarely* *sometimes* change causing me a 24 hour block, then I have no bad intentions. Cheers, --Aminz 00:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Aminz, I do not doubt your good intentions, but how Syrian Christians welcomed Muslim rulers twelve hundred years ago just does not belong in the main article about Christianity. I even tend to think that it is accurate. It is consistent with what I know about the Byzantine Empire: Loukas Notaras, the last grand duke of Constantinople said something like, "I would rather see a Muslim turban in the midst of the City than the Latin miter," Of course things did not turn out so well for him, but there was that initial optimism. And yes, I do think that Islam a thousand years ago was a tolerant and enlightened institution for its time. Taxes were low, trade was good, there were worse places to live. My own ancestors were sitting by the side of the road with their faces painted blue. But there are hundreds of bits of interesting and important history that do not belong in Christianity. They belong in their own articles.

About 3rr, unfortunately you did violate it, but many people do once or twice. Any time you undo another editor's work, either by re-adding something or by taking something out, that is a revert. All you can do is live and learn, and be careful not to revert too much from now on. Tom Harrison 00:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Tom, about 3rr, the blocking admin considered it as a content dispute while it was not. I was restoring sourced material in which case 3rr rule doesn't apply. I was okay with your changes with minor edits as long as a positive sentence about the general position of Christians under Muslim rule would be added, especially when we see that how Christian persecution of themselves and others is downplayed. No mention of discriminative laws Christians were applying to non-orthodox christians or forcing Jews to change their religion, or restricting the place of residence and profession of Jews. That section is written extremely conservatively and is much shorter than "Persecution of Christian" section and doesn't mention any details(while the other section does). Tom, as it is evident from this edit , we are far from any compromise.

P.S. (Lewis 1984 p.18), Lewis (2002) p.57, and (Esposito "Islam the Straight Path" p.34(I think) talk about the statements I made above. Cheers, --Aminz 06:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

does apply to restoring sourced material, and to removing unsourced material, except about living people, and except for simple vandalism. If someone removes something new you add, they have reverted. If you restore it, you have reverted, sourced or not. Tom Harrison 14:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I am going to ask some Jewish editors to come in. --Aminz 06:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That's a good idea. The more the better. Tom Harrison 14:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to thank for being friendly, Tom. --Aminz 22:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

:-) Tom Harrison 22:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

About HP 10 series link removed

Hello,

I added the links to the several HP "voyager" calculator. Yes you're right, one link to MyCalcDB.free.fr is enough, but no it's not 6 time the same link : it's each time for 1 calculator type.

So please, think to the user which can easely follow the link to one of the 6 DIFFERENT calculators, and let them like I did.

Thanks

Philippe

Jews "forced" into moneylending

I think your edit works. JPGordon may disagree however, so hopefully a little negotiation will help him realize that "Jews were forced into moneylending" is not only unencylopedic in tone, but also counterfactual. -RatSkrew 22:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm open to other phrasing. Mostly it was a copyedit, though I do think it is useful to say explicitly that Christians were forbidden to charge interest. Certainly the Jews were highly 'incentivized', and the whole thing fed on itself. In some cases they probably had to choose between lending it and having it taken by force. Tom Harrison 22:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

TH strikes again!

Let me speak in generalities, since Mr. Wikipower needs his fix. SOME people on here can derive no enjoyment in real life so they must marginalize good people on WP. It's a sad life and those people should try to be more accepting and caring. Some people need to look in the mirrow and realize that they are not WikiGods. I'm happy to be the latest victim and am sorry to have made a "personal" attack. Looks like I was right, though, so I guess I'm not that sorry. Policy is one thing, acting like a good human being is, sadly, sometimes another. Take care Tom. V105memorial 23:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)v105memorial

Peer review request

Aside from working on 9/11 articles, I am working on criminology topics which is an area that Misplaced Pages sorely lacks. Last weekend, I discovered there was no article on "Gun violence", so started one. Most of the research literature pertains to the United States, so the article has become Gun violence in the United States. Obviously, people have strong POV on this topic, and I'm perhaps entering a minefield here. To try and rise above politics, I have only included the highest quality reliable sources (most are from peer reviewed, scholarly journals). Personally, I really don't have a POV on this. The article basically presents the current state of research on this topic, and I think is close to featured status (if POV pushing can be kept out of the article). Nonetheless, someone has already come along and place a neutrality tag on the article. I could really use some peer review on the article, at this point. Do you at all agree with the person who placed the neutrality tag? Do you have any suggestions on improving the article or making it more NPOV? are there aspects of the topic that are missing? Since this can be a POV minefield, if you prefer not touching the topic, that's fine with me. But, any help would be appreciated. --Aude (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks interesting. I will at least read it and watch for a while. I'll probably get back to you about it early next week. Tom Harrison 02:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

New article you may want to edit

Hello Tom Harrison, I've started a new article about Saudi Arabia's first feature film: Keif al-hal?. I invite you to contribute to it if such an article might interest you. Thanks. :-) (→Netscott) 02:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing Tom, much appreciated! :-) (→Netscott) 15:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome, I enjoyed reading it. Tom Harrison 15:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

LUST

can i ask why you deleted the page anyway when quite clearly proved it was worthy of inclusion?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Capt Jack Doicy (talk • contribs) .

We discussed it, and the result was delete. Tom Harrison 14:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

copyrighted photograph

Uh,

I see you surf into the Bomb Disposal page. Snozzer has added a photograph that is copyrighted. It's from the cover of a Peter Birchall book. He claims it is his own.

I am not going back to the Bomb Disposal page, could you look into this?

-Shawn srh@esper.com High Order1

Fuse (explosives)

Tom, I am trying to make changes to Fuse_(explosives) but User:Georgewilliamherbert just reverts my changes as if he owns the article, he then goes to another page Page and blatently asks for help as he has already 3RR today, I then made good faith changes to the document adding fuse/fuze as the term fuze is not commonly in use out side of North America, and you revert them as well, you warn me about 3rr, but you fail to warn him as well, which is a trifle one sided, after all, he just reverted me 3 times, when I have an extremely good reason to say fuse. After all the us of the z is an Americanism, and WIKI is not American biased."TheNose | Talk" 23:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

User: Bunny123 vandalism

Hi Tom, saw your vandalism warning on User_talk:Bunny123; note the recent serial attacks this user has been making on Muhammed - can you block him? Thanks. MarkThomas 14:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. Tom Harrison 14:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Fred Newman/Chip Berlet

Have attempted to discuss this issue with Berlet endlessly--Berlet refuses to address issues. There is a WP:BLP issue which berlet refuses to discuss.

Information available solely on partisan websites or in obscure newspapers should be handled with caution, and, if derogatory, should not be used at all. Information found in self-published books, newspapers, or websites/blogs should never be used, unless written by the subject

I would also appreciate the invlovement of admins other than the two thus far, both of whom are heavily involved in the editing of the Berlet Misplaced Pages entry. BabyDweezil 17:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Note from Muhammad mediation

Hi there, I am just dropping you a note because you signed up to participate at Talk:Muhammad/Mediation. We have not heard from you since we started, so I'm just asking whether you plan to participate further. If so, we need you to agree or disagree to the criteria for including images we have developed. Important note: The criteria will be used only if the group decides to include images, which will be later in the mediation. Agreeing to the criteria does not mean that you agree to including any images. Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 23:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't jump to conclusions

I would suggest that you apprise yourself of all the facts, perhaps by reading talk:Host desecration, before making false allegations of incivility.--Lance 15:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yankee Imperialist Dogs: Fount of All That is Evil in this World

Thanks for making my day. Peace out. Morton Devonshire 01:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Request

Hi Tom,

If you could comment on this , I would be greatful. --Aminz 02:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks Tom. --Aminz 21:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Another request

Hi Tom, could you cast your eye over the rfc on Talk:List of acts labelled as state terrorism sorted by state and the very liberal use of WP:NOR and WP:V on that page. Much appreciated. --Zleitzen 19:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I will have a look when I get a chance. Tom Harrison 19:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Seabhcan

Thanks for the notification on this. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 20:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Sudden Jihad Syndrome?...lol

Apparently there's something to it. :-) (→Netscott) 21:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, who knew? If there are no events that the term would describe, maybe it will not gain currency. Tom Harrison 21:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Host desecration

There are two problems:

1. You removed the dispute tags that I attached to the article citing: "inaccurate tags." You failed to make any other comment to justify this assertion either on the discussion page or at all; and you further failed to attach another tag that addresses both the supression of fact and the assertion of certain religious opinions as fact. Accordingly, I shall reattach the tags.

2. A new Misplaced Pages password was requested, not by me; and I suspect it is someone involved in the dispute about this article.

--Lance 16:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

People disagree. I guess we disagree about the accuracy of the tags you added. As far as your password goes, I would say just ignore it. I may be wrong, but you seem to regard me as somehow against you, so you may want to ask a different administrator to look into it for you. Tom Harrison 18:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Antisemitism

Hi Tom,

Lewis says: "President Khatami of Iran, in his interview on CNN, pointed out—correctly—that "anti-Semitism is indeed a Western phenomenon. It has no precedents in Islam or in the East. Jews and Muslims have lived harmoniously together for centuries."

"Prejudices existed in the Islamic world, as did occasional hostility, but not what could be called anti-Semitism..."

Claude Cahen states: "There is nothing in medieval Islam which could specifically be called anti-semitism".

Now, with this background, please read the section which was removed. Thanks. --Aminz 03:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, please have a look at this, a comment from way back, where Gren agrees with us . --Aminz 04:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Professor Norman Stillman states that during the 19th and 20th centuries, the antisemitic ideas and literature were introduced to Muslim world through increased European commercial, missionary and imperialist activities within the Muslim world. At the beginning these antisemitic ideas were "too new and too palpably foreign for any widespread acceptance among Muslims" and were only found a reception among Arabic-speaking Christian in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. However due to the conflict between Arabs and Jews in Palestine, these ideas started to appear in political polemics both in the nationalist press and in books. The antisemitism greatly increased from 1948 till it had its peak by the 1970s and then declined from 1980s and 1990s "as the slow process of rapprochement between the Arab world and the state of Israel evolved. --Aminz 05:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I really only watch the page for vandalism and incivility right now. I guess you are talking about my remarks to Truthspreader's on his talk page. There I commented on his edit summary where he wrote "Removal of WP:RS and WP:V sourced text is Vandalism, text removed was WP:OR. kindly join talk page before reverting instead of asserting your Original research)." I told him that removing sourced text is not vandalism, and not to call someone's work vandalism just because it removes sourced text. Somehow people have got the idea that "Removal of WP:RS and WP:V sourced text is Vandalism." It is not, and people should stop saying so. Tom Harrison 14:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I have taken your advice and thank you for having Good faith. Cheers! TruthSpreader 10:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

New section

Hi Tom, I noticed your reference regarding the number of external links from wikipedia, here. I notice that you concatenated your listing at 50, with about 5,556 listings having 50 or more links. Could you please provide, if possible, the unconcatenated total, even an aproximation? I am one of the developers of the Blue Letter Bible, an internet-based Bible, which I notice is on your list with 183 links. I'm wondering how that ranks on the total list. I'm trying to provide justification on the talk page of the Blue Letter Bible provisional article, as it may be deleted for lack of notability. I have been getting very helpful and candid advice from one of the Misplaced Pages editors, please see my talk page. I cited your informal data on the take page of the BLB article. If this is not appropriate, I will delete it. Many thanks! Frank --Frank Rabinovitch 06:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC) Thanks for adding a 'new section' for this. I'll try to remember to do that next time!--Frank Rabinovitch 06:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Beretta Cx4 Storm

Could use your help in helping resolve a dispute with the Beretta Cx4 Storm article. Thanks Yaf 03:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it is not something I know much about. All I can suggest is try to work something out on the talk page. Tom Harrison 13:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Got a favor to ask

Greetings Tom, some time ago I messed up and did a C&P to move an article (before I knew how to properly go about moving an article). The original article is PT-141 which I c&ped to Bremelanotide... is there anyway that the original history could be properly brought over while maintaining the since accrued history? (→Netscott) 03:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think histories can be merged. I'll have a look at it tomorrow morning, after coffee. Tom Harrison 04:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Aiiee, that bad? /me searches a cat o' nine tails for steps towards penance. Sorry... (→Netscott) 04:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Would you prefer that I just follow the steps here? (→Netscott) 04:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I have never actually done it, so that's what I'll do. If you want to take it on, feel free. I don't really think it's hard, but maybe tedious and open to mistakes. I just don't want to start something late in the day. Tom Harrison 04:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, according to that page I'd just tag it {{db-histmerge|PT-141}} and let the history merge specialists take over. But if you'd prefer to have it as a project I'll just leave it for now. (→Netscott) 04:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheers for the assistance Tom. :-) (→Netscott) 15:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Caught a little something.... I suspect that may be slightly more difficult to bring over. (→Netscott) 22:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks like everything was in both places, so I blanked redirected the talk page at pt-141. I'm not sure that's the thing to do, but if not it should be un-doable. Tom Harrison 22:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Truthspreader

Tom, can you please check why User:Truthspreader is blocked? He was blocked yesterday but it should have been expired now. --Aminz 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think he has a few more hours to go, unless I am misreading the block log. Tom Harrison 04:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Islamic terrorism

Normally I would not do such a move, but in this case it was necessary. This is the only acceptable title for the article. There should not be any discussion. The only way the article will ever be improved is if users are allowed to improve it. As incivil as it may be to say, NetScott is not interested in improving this article. His edits are consistently counterproductive and push his pov. KazakhPol 04:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Moderate Islamic terrorism. I just want you to understand my reasoning here. KazakhPol 04:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

KazakhPol, quick to make a WP:POINT. (→Netscott) 04:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I actually tend to agree with KazakhPol about the move funny enough but reverted due to the rather long discussion and consensus that arrived at that title. (→Netscott) 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm done. When I am done with Terrorism in Kazakhstan I will reopen discussion on this, as I hardly see "consensus" for this ridiculous article title. I will notify you when I do. I'm sorry for the disruption, KazakhPol 04:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Steven Jones lead

Hi Tom, please reconsider that revert of the Jones lead. All the information is in the article, and the lead is much messier than need be. See his retirement as a resolution of a complicated affair and let the lead be simplified accordingly. I'm not doing a lot of editing these days, so I'm not going to argue the point. Just a friendly appeal to your judgment and experience. All the best, Thomas.

Fair enough; I will read the article in detail and consider your point. Have a nice holiday, Tom Harrison 17:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.--Thomas Basboll 18:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree at least partly. I kept 'conspiracy theorist' in the intro, since it is central to his notability. Further tweaks can probably be worked out on the talk page. Thanks, Tom Harrison 19:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Like say, I'm not paying enough attention to WP these days to keep up with the talk page discussions. I'm may return to the fray in the new year. I moved the refs down into the article to make it easier to read. I do disagree with leaving "conspiracy theorist" in in the same sentence as "is an American phycisist". What a man is notable for and what he "is" are not necessarily on the same level. He's been a phycisist all his professional life (even as a CTist, his being a phycisist is what makes him notable.) I have a feeling this disagreement runs pretty deep among editors, however, and I haven't thought my position on it through (that's what my break from editing is about.) Anyway, thanks for taking the time to look at this. Happy editing.--Thomas Basboll 20:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

September 11th attacks

"oops, I should not have said that."

Must have been the water-boarding that made you confess :-). --Cplot 18:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe that's what I want you to think... Tom Harrison 18:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That's not fair. When we water-board you you're supposed to tell the truth: not just make something up so we stop! --Cplot 23:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Trust no one. Telling people what they want to hear is a survival skill. Tom Harrison 00:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

HVACR

The redirect was a good idea, well done :) Mattabat 05:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message

Contrary to what you suggest, I did comment on content. I commented on the scholarly quality of arguments. When there's nil, there is nil. And when all a person does is slander people who disagree with him, then pointing that out is not a comment on the person, but on his arguments and behavior. And I am very much qualified to judge the scholarly merit of arguments. --OliverH 11:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Reporting an anonymous user dedicated to years of article vandalism.

Hello Tom,

This anonymous user, 206.15.235.3, is a serial vandal who seems to be operating over a long period of time --

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=206.15.235.3

Regards,

Flask 12:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on them. Tom Harrison 14:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Irishpunktom unblocked

Hi Tom, I've reviewed your block and I have to respectfully disagree. --  Netsnipe  ►  15:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not see how those are not two reverts. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to review. You should probably log your unblock at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Irishpunktom. Tom Harrison 18:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You may be right if you want to intepret what a revert is as a pedant, but I think the intention of the revert parole remedy is to limit edit warring by Irishpunktom in a dispute -- not tie his hands to the point where he can't even replace an entire sentence with a clarification. --  Netsnipe  ►  18:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The ruling limits him to one revert per week. If you want to say that one didn't count, there's not much I can usefully say in reply, and I'm content to let your unblock stand. I hope some word other than 'pedant' might be closer what you mean. Tom Harrison 18:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Block avoiding sock

Greetings Tom, hoping you might be able to be of some assistance on a report I filed on ANI. User:Pschemp blocked Mactabbed (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) for a week for lieing about a copy-vio image, incivility, and racial slur related editing, now there's a sockpuppet of this editor that's appeared, Exclusive bad apple (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). This newly appearing sock is continuing to be disruptive. Ordinarily Pschemp would be the person to block this sock but he/she doesn't seem to be around. Could you take a look at this case? Thanks. (→Netscott) 15:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Nvmnd, User:Pschemp has answered the report... see ya. (→Netscott) 16:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of the Qur'an

Why you letting them use Jihad-watch, faithfreedom and answering-islam as references. They do not fall under WP:RS. Each time they revert my changes it is followed by your minor change. You do not revert their changes why? Do you think I can also use Christian and Jews hate site? Obviously not then please stop them. Even for criticism a source should be neutral and reliable. Nothing allows them to use blog and hate website. -- ALM 17:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I corrected a minor error of grammar, and earlier reverted a change to the website used to cite the Qur'an. My edits should not be taken as endorsing any particular version. I don't revert their (or your) changes because I don't really want to edit that page much, or involve myself in an edit war. I watch it for vandalism, and to make sure things go smoothly. Tom Harrison 18:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Being an admin what is your stand on using jihad-watch, faitfreedom and answering-Islam in Islamic articles? Where should I report them if they continue to mis-understand WP:RS? Thanks. --- ALM 18:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I would say it depends what they are being used for. If "Jihad-watch says the Qur'an is wrong..." then the only question is how notable Jihad-watch is (and I do not know how notable they are). If "The Qur'an is wrong..." then I would say that is not a good cite. You might consider opening a requset for comment about the article if you want to get input from others, or to bring more editors to the page. Excuse me if I don't reply promptly. Tom Harrison 18:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It is mainly a blog and people who hate Islam uses it. The neutrality of all the websites mentioned above (jihad-watch, faithfreedom, answeringislam etc) are in Questions. I do not want to fight an edit war for the things clearly in violation of wikipedia policies. I wish if someone can tell those policies to them. Looks like you are not interested in helping me? Anyway thanks for your help and you reply very quick. --- ALM 18:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am responding to this issue about the reliability of these sources. Are these sources reliable in this context?--Sefringle 00:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion it depends on how it is used, and whether or not it is notable, as I said above. I will not mediate this, and I do not want to edit this page for content. Tom Harrison 14:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

I have opened a case of arbitration at Requests for arbitration:Seabhcan--MONGO 07:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Your cool head is needed: 9/11 CT hoaxes

Hi Tom, again, I feel my patience so strained that I know I will not contribute constructively. But please look at this and talk some sense to these people.--Thomas Basboll 08:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the page is back under its old name. Tom Harrison 14:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.--Thomas Basboll 19:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Zen Master

I looked at Zenmaster's user page and talk page, and I guess I see now why you asked. I'll have to look him up in February when he's back on Misplaced Pages. It would be good to have more support for uhpolding Misplaced Pages policy and providing bettter NPOV compliance than you would allow. --Cplot 00:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

He won't be back. His ban was repeatedly reset for using sockpuppets, and now he is indefinitely banned. Tom Harrison 00:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Is attempting to communicate with an idefinitely banned editor questionable?--MONGO 08:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It is unwise, but probably harmless, as long as no one is encouraging him to evade his ban. Tom Harrison 13:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Rachel Marsden

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Per Misplaced Pages:External links#Links normally to be avoided, articles should not link to copies of press reports archived on any site in violation of copyright. Per Misplaced Pages:Citing sources#Intermediate sources: State where you got it, citations should state the original source (i.e. the LA Times) and the intermediate source (i.e. "as retrieved from LexisNexis on October 16, 2006"). Articles which relate to Rachel Marsden, may, when they violate Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons, be reduced to a stub by any user or deleted, together with their talk pages, by any administrator. Bearcat and Bucketsofg are expected to conform to Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons rather than the liberal interpretation they have applied. For violation of his previously imposed article ban, as well as edit warring, block evasion, and sockpuppety, Arthur Ellis is banned from editing Misplaced Pages for one month.

For the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Committee Clerk, FloNight 16:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

www.rumimevlevi.com

Hi. I notice that you remove references to this site, and I wonder why. I have no special interest, though I have, for unconnected reasons, tagged the Sufism page. Gwaka Lumpa 23:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not have an opinion about the site, but it looked like the user was adding it to several pages for promotional purposes. If it is a good link, please restore it and I will leave it alone. Tom Harrison 23:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Cowman109 23:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Much thanks for your support at RFA

I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your confidence in me at RFA, and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Cheers! -- nae'blis 23:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

An article in need of your input

The Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_timeline article is in serious need of attention. It presents numerous Conspiracy Theories regarding alleged ties between Saddam/Iraq and al Qaeda as fact, when these theories have been refuted, rejected, denied and discounted by the U.S. Government, various U.S. Governmental hearings and commissions, and almost all the respected experts, many of whom are retired U.S. Intelligence. This is a clear case of misusing Wiki to advance fallacious and discredited Conspiracy Theories. Perhaps you would like to help there. Thanks in advance. - F.A.A.F.A. 00:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

If your point is that there are conspiracy theories on both left and right, you are correct. In fact, as with contemporary antisemitism, the far right had an early lead, but some who think they are on the left have been working hard to catch up. Conspiracy theory is a vortex of folly that sucks in people from many ideologies. I tried for a while to work on Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda without much success. If you really care, I suggest you work it out on the talk page or try mediation. Otherwise, visit another of our fine pages listed at Category:Conspiracy theories. Any one of them will suck up unlimited amounts of your time. Tom Harrison 00:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

What makes this article 'special' is that it is composed largely of conspiracy theories presented as facts that have been specifically disputed and denied by the US Gov. - F.A.A.F.A. 01:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That's not special, but work on it if you find it interesting. Tom Harrison 01:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

70.8.55.126 (The feds guy in Talk:September 11 Attacks)

Re your comment here:

This guy is back with another IP-adress: Thought you might want to know. --Regebro 08:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Tom Harrison 13:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, I have some concerns about an edit you made.

You have removed material, in an unconstrutive maner, from user_talk:cplot talk page. If you continue you may blocked. Please do not target one or more user's pages or talk pages for abuse or insults, unwarranted doctoring or blanking. It can be seen as vandalism and may get you blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your attempts to improve Misplaced Pages. However, I would like to remind you that Misplaced Pages is not censored for minors, not even for profanity or pornography. You are welcome to remove gratuitously offensive material or inappropriate obscenities if they were added as vandalism, but please do not remove/censor profanities or remove/disclaim sexually explicit material or links that are relevant to the article. In the meantime, please be bold and continue contributing to Misplaced Pages. Thank you! --CyclePat 17:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Per ArbCom rulings those links can be removed at anytime by any user. It is vandalism to restore them. --Tbeatty 17:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, quite apart from the fact that Tom was carrying out a perfectly appropriate action, please do not use warning templates on established users. Those templates are intended for newcomers who may not know the rules. Tom, as an administrator, can be assumed to be familiar with the policy, and in this case he has the backing of the Arbitration Committee. AnnH ♫ 17:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for changing the title I typed (which is usual not well perceived, changing other users discussions) and thank you for making my request a seem a little more civil. Back to cplot changes, I would like to point, as per arbcom, that usespaces are not supposed to be altered.. I would actually be interested in proceeding towards mediation and arbitration because I fail to see eye to eye. Unless of course you can link me to the precedence I still believe this was vandalism. Please do post a link to the removal of those specific urls so I may read over it. Furthermore, we should perhaps place a request to officially update the WP:VAND page with this exception. (Of course that is if this is a generally accepted revert.) Thank you again, and I hope we will be able to make wikedia a better place. --CyclePat 18:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO. Tom Harrison 20:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The arbitration quote you refer to says "A user may say whatever he/she wants on his/her user page within reason (e.g. Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks)". (Emphasis is added by me.) That implies that there are certain things a user may not say. Users can be blocked for adding links to sites that attack other users. And at least one user has been blocked in the past for linking to one of the sites that Tom removed a link from. AnnH ♫ 18:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

re ban

I think you should reconsider this ban. This has no merit. I have not edit warred here, which is what the arbitration was about. See . Intangible 21:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the situation carefully before I imposed the ban, and I see no reason to reconsider. Tom Harrison 21:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)