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Current Posts

Marriage

Many congratulations, and best wishes for a long and happy life together. AnnH ♫ 18:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Uhura.jpg

I see you're inactive, but this is just to let you know that I've retagged Image:Uhura.jpg. Publicity photos are, generally speaking, not in the public domain. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Long time, no see

Saw on your user page that you are at the Persian Gulf. Stay safe, cannot wait until you come home. Make us proud. User:Zscout370 06:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll be on and off the site until about October. Thanks for the GWOTEM! -Husnock 19:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hostel (film) and Tourism in Slovakia

Hi. I wrote my comment at Talk:Tourism in Slovakia. I really hope that this useless edit war will end soon. Juro has made great contributions to the articles dealing with Slovakia (and Central Europe in general), but his style of communication may be sometimes irritating. In general, talk pages of the Central European articles are far from the standards of civility and even serious editors (including Juro) frequently lose their temper as they must deal with all sorts of nationalist freaks (usually anonymous IPs blanking text or adding their badly written POV). I mention it just to explain you the invisible context of Juro's behavior. I would like also to ask you for your opinion about the "war in Slovakia" mentioned in the Hostel movie. I think it was clearly a reference to an alleged recent conflict (probably the one in former Yugoslavia or an entirely fictious one) and I do not fully understand why you added a reference to WWII. Tankred 15:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I opened up a talk page section on it. I just thought it was WWII becuase thats the only major war I know about in which Slovakia has been involved. -Husnock 19:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:NavCivWarMed.jpg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:NavCivWarMed.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Misplaced Pages:Fair use, use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 03:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

NFCs

By all means, put it back in. If you can, add some more detail on the topic. Arcimpulse 06:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Starfleet uniforms

Article has recently survived a vfd, so I though you might want to contribute there. --Cat out 13:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Starfleet rank article

I was removing those referances as you were reverting. See the toal change for yourself . None of that is inaproporate.

--Cat out 14:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I explained it on the talk page. The page version was full of bad info; the revert was anything but senseless. Looks fine now, though. -Husnock 14:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Durin's RFC

I have rolled your addition back, as shown in the history, as that RfC is in a closed and archived state. You may want to just voice your concern to Durin directly. Hope that helps, happy editing! No answer required, but here is preferred. ++Lar: t/c 19:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Question on Captain Rankinsignia

Hi, are there different Pin-on-Metal-Insignias for Captains of the USMC and e.g. the US Air Force? Or is this just a thing with different graphics and the real insignias are the same? --GrummelJS 20:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek Barnstar

I hereby award you this barnstar for your superb contributions to the Star Trek rank insignia article. --Cat out 14:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! -Husnock 02:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal of cleanup tag on Reinhard Heydrich

I put a cleanup tag on Reinhard Heydrich a few days ago because some of the text could do with a fair bit of reworking in my opinion. You've since removed the tag on the basis that no reason was given for its inclusion, which I don't understand as I outlined my reasons for doing so at the time here. As I've commented subsequently, I'm not going to risk a reverting battle, but in my opinion the article would still benefit from a fair amount of cleanup both in terms of grammar and writing style.

-- Chris (blather • contribs) 18:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:VSARM.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:VSARM.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Angr 18:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:StarfleetEnlist1.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:StarfleetEnlist1.gif. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Misplaced Pages:Fair use, use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 12:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:CPORand.jpg)

This file may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:CPORand.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Misplaced Pages and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 22:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Badge of Military Merit

Hi Husnock, can I get your opinion on the sources Armycaptain wants to use for his additions? I went ahead and made a temp page, and moved some of Armycaptain's recent changes there. I'll go ahead and format the references, I'm not sure the additions are ready to be moved over to the main article yet though. There's still a touch of POV. Is the Badge of Military Merit/Badge of Merit controversy too WP:OR to even touch? Katr67 02:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Pharaoh and Cleopatra

I've left a comment on Talk:Pharaoh and Cleopatra. The summary is that I'm okay with the merger, but I think the name is problematic. More details are provided at the talk page.

All the best,
Ξxtreme Unction|_{yakkity yak}
20:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Colonel General?

As a German speaker and contributor on many military articles I would appreciate and comment (in support or argument) to my comment on Talk:Colonel-General regarding translating Generaloberst as Colonel-General. Thanking you in advance. Dainamo 00:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

YCDTOTV

Keeping sick fetishes off serious articles is just as important to me. Please bear that in mind. I have been here for five years and i should have some respect. PMA 15:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Has nothing to do with "sick fetishes", the article I read about the program brought up some highly interesting things about the way Les Lyle managed the show I was hoping to explore them in the article. No-one disrepected you, rather the reverse since you blanked a talk page discussion, in effect censoring it, because it dealt with a subject you didn't agree with. This kind of thing is above Admins, time to move on. -Husnock 15:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Pharaoh and Cleopatra

Love the work you have done on Pharaoh and Cleopatra! Great work fleshing out this article!! --Kralizec! (talk) 18:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Do I smell a Barnstar? :-) -Husnock 05:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I just had a look at the article wonderful work, hope all is going well Gnangarra 04:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar!

United States presidential line of succession

Thank you for correcting my unintentionally over-eager modification so quickly!. I know that Pelosi is not Speaker until elected by the new Congress. I tried to make that clear in my modification, but had not intended to delete Hastert's name from the table - that was due to my inexperience with the workings of Misplaced Pages. I do think there should be some reference in this article to the fact that Hastert will not be in this position come January 2007, and it is highly likely his place will be taken by Pelosi. I am not sure how best to do this; I would be grateful for your advice. I respect your position as a far more experienced Misplaced Pages editor than me! Regards. PHJ 06:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for spotting that (on the Great Pyramid), I didn't notice it myself, glad you did!. --Alf 18:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Check out my work on Pharaoh and Cleopatra. I'm fishing for a barnstar! -Husnock 03:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Stoop

Hi. Your uploaded pic is now on deletion requests Scriberius 19:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion request is almost comical since that picture is right out of his SS service record on file with NARA. It appeared that becuase it wasn't available on the internet, people thought the tag was false. Amazing. -Husnock 03:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It was nominated for speedy deletion (for not having sources). By converting it to regular deletion I managed to delay the process a bit since I trust you. :) I am trying to rescue it not get it deleted. Would it be possible to somehow source the image to that (maybe a specific number leading to his service record) or better a web reference? My hands are tied by commons policy requiring citation. --Cat out 12:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks pretty well sourced too me. Its in his SS record that anyone can go see at the NARA building in College Park. They can also be called at one of several NARA customer service numbers (the only one I have is 314-801-0800 but there are others). It appeared that someone last year cam to the wrong conclusion that just becuase it wasnt on the internet, it couldnt be verified. Service record photos number in the millions and they are rarely listed on websites. -Husnock 13:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Pharaoh Houses

This image Image:AllPharHouses.jpg is a derivative work, its licensing can only be {{game-screenshot}} inclusion in an article will require a fairuse rationale. If you would like me to look at other images you've uploaded just ask. Gnangarra 01:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

P&C is at FA

Dont forget you have nominated this article for FA, can I suggest that you withdraw the nomination until the image issues are resolved. Gnangarra 16:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Other major issues with the article like no in-line citations lacking and too complex a TOC. -Husnock 16:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah i did notice that, but I suspect that the article wont be the only battlefield. Gnangarra 17:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Enough already

You've now moved into innapropriate territory. Durin is not harrassing you, instead as many people have told you he is correctly following the image policy. I've asked him to step back, but you need to also. The page you've created, User:Husnock/Durinharass, is innapropriate given the facts, especially the title. In order to help resolve the situation in the best way, please move it to a less inflammatory location. - Taxman 20:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur entirely with this. I don't see any problem with Durin's actions in this situation and am disappointed to see your painting this as "harassment". Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 21:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the name of my sub-page sinced, yes, it could easily be seen as too harsh. However, I believe the existence of the page is crucial. I need to keep a record of what this guy is doing. I will always believe he targeted me, looking at his edits, he was spending all this time reviewing my things while others went unnoticed. Also, he keeps on avoiding the issue that I am on a military deployment...in fact he has yet to acknowledge one word about it. He says things like "he must have time to fix these images since he has this other time to defend them and write these pages". I have time now. What I can not simply get through to this user is that I might not have time later. This is Thanksgiving, after these holidays I will probably disappear from Misplaced Pages for at least three months. Also, again for the record, I have yet to personally attack him (i.e. "Durin is a XXXXX") only expressing my views about what he is doing. My list on the Durin Concerns Page is, in my view exactly what he is doing and has done. The straw that broke the camel's back (funny considering where I am) was when he wanted to talk to my ex-finance and the former girlfriend of my dead grandfather. Contributing was that I took GREAT lengths to contact the headquarters of CNFK and CNFJ to talk to JAG officers about thier images. Durin simply said "they are wrong" and marked the images as such. This was all too much. An understanding user who would have worked with me is one thing, the aggressive, harsh, and edit stalking Durin simply was too much for me to handle. I'm very surprised people don't agree just a little bit with thsi, even though to an outsider perhas I am coming across as the problem user...not a problem one, though, just an angry one. -Husnock 01:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Back already?

Hey, you back to your trek stuff? --Cat out 20:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Im in the middle of a nasty dispute about image uploads. See User:Husnock/Durinconcerns. Actually, you have been the underdog on these types of things before...your inputs on the various pages would be MORE than welcome. I am also still serving abroad, just have better internet than I thought I would over here. The miracles of the modern age. -Husnock 21:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I see. I do not want to get involved too much with the dispute since I feel that would be counter-productive. --Cat out 15:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images Pharaoh and Cleopatra (computer game)

I noticed that you are the primary uploaded of images to the Pharaoh and Cleopatra (computer game), and think that the number of copyrighted images uploaded fail fair use criteria #8: copyrighted images should be uploaded if they add "significantly to the article" and should not be uploaded for the sake of illustrating everything in visual form. Most of the images unfortunately should probably be removed. Also regarding the text, for future reference I would recommend not expanding gameplay to such a detailed point because wikipedia is not a "indiscriminate collection of information". Articles should be written in summary form, example would be the similar genre game Empires: Dawn of the Modern World. Thank you for your understanding. - Tutmosis 23:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't follow your use of the term "indiscriminate collection of information". That article is a finely written essay on the entie computer game and I hope it will day reach Featured Article status. -Husnock 10:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Defend this with your Wiki-Life

User:Durin has indicated his aims of targeting images on Starfleet ranks, again one of the foolish people who believes Paramount has a copyright on three circles in a row or two stripes on top of one another. This guy is very determined and could do SERIOUS damage to the Starfleet ranks article. In fact, I'm sure he would take great pleasure from doing so since I have been so deeply involved with the article. As I am deployed, I may not be here to defend and protect this artcle which we have worked so hard to create. Defend this article with your Wiki-Life! I have sent a request to the Nogri to visit Durin's house but they have not responded (busy doing other things). -Husnock 18:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I sent you an email. --Cat out 18:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I got it. Some joker also just put up the conjectured ranks article for deletion. I think it might be bad faith...since the "this article's entry" page is completely blank and doesnt give a reason for a VfD (at least, not yet). -Husnock 11:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

As we've both seen, the page is now up and running. This is horrifying that people on Misplaced Pages would do this. The page is full of "I just don't like this and thats why it should be deleted." comments I seriosly wonder if a couple of users put thier heads togehter to do this since we have seen VfDs on two Star Trek rank articles in the past few days as well as reverts and deletions to other rank articles like Fleet captain; all of this happening in quick succession. -Husnock 12:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not happy with it. I am thinking of rfcs and rfars but I already experienced how useless dispute resolution process is. If only you weren't stuck in the gulf. But in reality, I am not too terribly concerned. Once you return we can sort this mess.

--Cat out 12:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

For all the good it will do me, I asked other Admins to look at this . This really appears like a group of biased people who came together with the goal of getting this article deleted. This reflects the trend of users we have now on this site. We are headed towards the road where one day articles will be censored, I can smell it. I just hope I am not here to see it. -Husnock 12:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for referring to me as a 'joker'. I will choose to see it as a compliment, rather than a mild personal attack - I do pride myself on my sense of humour. Proto::type 13:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It was a tie between joker and chucklehead. And do you did call me a "crufateer"...Anyway, withdrawn as you withdrew yours. -Husnock 13:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Warrant officer rank in starfleet

Are there any references for this you can recall? (Cannon or non cannon) --Cat out 02:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

There are severl. Pocket Books novel of "Emissary" for one, several tech manuals (most notable Klingon Covert Officers Manual) at least a few comic books floating around and I think there was even a novilization of Where no one has gone before where Kosink was called a Warrant officer. That article should never have been deleted. Shame on the user who proposed it be so, espeically with zero discussion and in the middle of the night. -Husnock 04:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Starfleet conjectural ranks and insignia AFD

Thank you for giving me a full four minutes to create an AFD nomination before posting a message on my talk page threatening to remove the AFD notice. The AFD is now posted. Proto::type 11:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Didnt know it was four minutes...just saw a red link AfD. Hey, I went ahead and condensed the opening nomination paragraph. The way it was appearing on my screen it looked like the nomination was from one person and then you had a delete vote from yourself underneath. It should be all together to show you are the nominator. I hope you don't mind, I jsut wanted to avoid a misunderstanding from other voters. -Husnock 11:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Condensing is fine, no problems. Incidentally, if you do what you mention here, going off and recreating deleted content (assuming the article were deleted), to prove a point, I will not be impressed. As an admin, you ought to know better. Proto::type 13:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I am going to try and rebuild this thing into a better article and save at least the images from deletion. If they are orphaned, they will be deleted too and finding those images was a very time consuming process taking months to accomplish. So, you will get your deletion, but dont expect me not to at least try and write a better article in the future that *could* withstand another AfD. -Husnock 13:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

If Betacommand's closure is overturned and the article is deleted (as I suspect it will be) your best bet may be making a request to put the article into userspace and working on it there. JoshuaZ 16:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Already started the process, thanks. the rewrite will be untouchable, I can assure that. -Husnock 16:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Nebor

Ooh, I think I might have been rumbled!  :)

I'm not trying to nuke anyone's hard work here, and I'm not against Star Trek, or Star-anything else. Or The Tomorrow People for that matter. Apart maybe from Kristian Schmid, he was a bit rubbish in the remake. Anyway, I might be a thawed-out alien Hitler impersonator, but I'm not engaging in some Global War On Error, or "rampant deletionism", or ... whatever the latest en vogue quasi-vandalism pattern is these days. Most importantly, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings (even if I am doing a rather good job of it). I've struck out my reference to your possible motives, as it was clearly inappropriate, and I'm sorry.

As for moving the AfD discussion, for future reference, all you need to do when you move the page that is being discussed is change the {{{PAGENAME}}} in the AfD tag to the name of the AfD sub-page. This happens quite a lot, particularly for nominations en bloc, where all the discussion goes on one page, even with 10-20 articles tagged. The redirect that arises is a Good Thing.

If you want to take the page into your userspace and rework it into something a little less speculative, by all means do so. If you find that the page is actually deleted, you can go to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Content review and ask for it to be undeleted and moved to your userspace. What you must not do is merely copy/paste the text of the article in full (something to do with GFDL compliance - WP:CPMV - remember, the article lives for perpetuity in the database). Good luck, Chris cheese whine 19:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

"dispute which has since been resolved"

I do not wish this to re-erupt. However, I am not comfortable with "dispute which has since been resolved". In particular, you still have not retracted your most egregious accusations against me; Elements of item #9 from User:Husnock/Durinharass#Original_actions, beginning with "quite possibly"; everything in paragraph 3 of beginning from "Rather the opposite". and the last two sentences of paragraph #5 of . You have made a blizzard of accusations against me. Most of this I have tried to overlook in the name of trying to reach an amicable solution. These claims of releasing personal information about you in the real world and stalking your family are unacceptable. I simply can not overlook it. At no time ever have I verbalized your last name, or even typed it. I would never, ever do as you suggest I have done. Yes, you have qualified the statements with with things like "absolutely no evidence". That doesn't matter. If there's no evidence, and I am vigorously denying it, why make the claim at all? I could just as well make a public statement on Misplaced Pages that X user is a pedophile and regularly hunts down children and qualify it by saying "But, you know, this is just my opinion. I have no evidence". Just speaking an accusation like that is despicable enough, even with a qualifier. I do not expect your opinion about me to change. I know from that you "don't like ". I do think it reasonable that you keep accusations for which you have no evidence (which you freely admit) to yourself. Please, retract these statements against me about releasing personal information about you and stalking you and your family. --Durin 14:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I dont have much time tonight, but it a nutshell the dispute seems resolved since A) I deleted the page with all the flag iamges and B) I am now complying with all your reuqests for information on images to the best of my ability. The rest of this stuff is past history, not to mention that you were never accused of stalking my family, in fact I said 3 or 4 times it wasn't you. Someone did though, probably as a result of reading what was going on. Two cities were contacted about me, someone sent an e-mail to my Navy command, and a harrasing e-mail came into my wife's e-mail account. But, I never said it was you. Nevertheless, anyone can see how that can be distrubing especially if one is separated from thier family overseas. As far as the other matters, i.e. "paragraph 3 of section 4 on this talk page and section 8 of line 10 on this other page", I have to be honest here, I really dont have time to back to what might have been said in a talk page dispute going on a week ago and do line-outs and retract statements. I work 16-18 hour days and visit this site on my off hours only. I also have had some pretty horrible things said about me in my time on this site and I usually just let it go after the smoke clears is over and move on to better things. Also, that Admin noticeboard will be archived in a day or two and the comments buried away, most likely. With that said, I probably will not be back on the site full time until the New Year it turns out. See you then. -Husnock 16:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)