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Hi - User:Lcarsdata has announced on his/her user page (recently) that he/she has permanently left the project but did not unsubscribe to signpost autodeliveries. Do you have any guards against the deliveries just piling up in situations like this? I happened to notice this case (and could remove the user from the delivery list), but it seems like this might be worth a more general solution (like, stopping delivery if a user's last edit is more than weeks/months ago). -- Rick Block (talk) 02:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW - I have some shell code lying around (that I use for updating WP:LA) that you could run to find folks that haven't edited in a while. If you're interested let me know and I'll post it someplace. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Rick, that sounds like useful code. We have some Beatles Newsletter subscribers that might be true for. Can do the check by hand as it is not that big a subscriber list... but... ++Lar: t/c 12:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

What the hell?

Hey, screw off, man. I can edit my own damn page. Why the hell do you think you have the right to just do whatever you want? Someone asked me to remove the image, and I was going to. You have no right to just do something to someone's user page without asking or explaining yourself. — Chris53516 02:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Answers

1. What positions do you hold (adminship, mediation, etc.)?

   I've been an admin since September 2005, and more recently part of the WP:OTRS team.

2. Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?

   I think we need a more robust arbcom, driven by common sense creating a healthy atmosphere for good users. Arbcom needs to have willingness to show the door to people who drive away useful users byt their problem editing. We need flexibility, and fewer delays. I believe I've enough common sense, experience, and versatility (and humility) to help here. I write well, so I'd be useful in constructing decisions - fred shouldn't have all the fun.

3. Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?

   Yes, many. I've rarely been a direct party - I prefer not to let disputes get to that stage. But I have helped to defend, I've researched diffs, I've presented cases and suggested findings. In more than one case, I've been instrumental in steering arbs from poor decisions.

--Doc 13:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Signpost Profile

Hey Ral, just letting you know that my profile on the signpost has only the first edit for User:Improv -- my prior account, User:Pgunn's first edit was in Dec 2002. --Improv 16:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom answers from CSCWEM

Hi Ral315. Thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this Signpost series.

What positions do you hold (adminship, mediation, etc.)?

I've been an administrator since April 2006, and also work with unblock-en-l and OTRS issues.

Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?

While I have worked with the Arbitration Committee in the past regarding several matters which required oversight and comparable attention, I have not been directly involved in any specific arbitration case.

Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?

I'm running because I appreciate the important role that the Arbitration Committee plays in the well-being of this project, and believe that I possess the time, patience and experience the appointment can require of us.

If you have any other questions, you know where to find me.  :-) Can't sleep, clown will eat me 13:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Transfered from the Signpost talk page - File:Map factoid.jpg:

The screencap was deleted w/out discussion and without due process. --Howard the Duck 07:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use doesn't apply and it was an obvious copyright violation. Sue me. Ral315 (talk) 08:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Um... from {{Tv-screenshot}}: "For identification and critical commentary on the station ID or program and its contents." This is perhaps the fastest speedily deleted image in Misplaced Pages, probably news for the Signpost too. --Howard the Duck 09:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

And that, of course, applies only to the main namespace, not talk or user pages. As well, the articles you added it to should not have had them added- one was a useless reference to this stupid argument (a violation of no self-references), and the other was just being used as a screencap, which added nothing to the article and didn't provide critical commentary on the piece, as is necessary. Please read fair-use guidelines carefully. Ral315 (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Um, while that may be the case by any reasonable interpretation of the relevant logic behind that fair use clause it would make just as much sense as being used in the Signpost. It is frankly very hard for me to see how Misplaced Pages making an internal report of someone else's use of our content without permission would not fall under fair use. JoshuaZ 22:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is two-fold: First, that we weren't making any sort of an internal report- the only use of it was to say "they used this picture", and discuss whether this was legal or not. Secondly, it also appeared on a user page in a gallery of images, which certainly doesn't fit fair use. Ral315 (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

First, it's a legit screencap. If you'd want fair use violations, take a look at List of Maging Sino Ka Man episodes where the list pushes the envelope with lots of screencaps, when even List of Lost episodes doesn't have one. If you'd want to have a field day of deleting images, do that there.

Second, then remove it from the user's gallery and merely relink it on talk pages, DO NOT DELETE it because it used in the mainspace as a legit screencap. I don't care anymore if this goes to the Signpost, all I want is this to be undeleted, because it is a legitmate screencap. It's fair use. There were even fair use rationales in the image page and it was bypassed. Wait for a week to let it sort out, this one obviously didn't have those "benefits".

Signpost is an internal report. Its a reasonable news report with the picture being an easy fair use justification. The exact same logic that makes our mainspace allow fair use would allow this. JoshuaZ 03:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

And just for the record, we really try to avoid fair use, even when it might be applicable. It's a gray area because it doesn't specifically help the encyclopedia. Ral315 (talk) 05:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I know, have you noticed my Image: space edits? They were for tagging fair use images without proper tags. --Howard the Duck 07:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was referring to the Signpost in particular there (not Misplaced Pages). There's nothing particularly wrong with some fair use in Misplaced Pages; the only thing is that fair use should be relevant to the article. A screenshot of, say, the news anchors, or a reporter, or even the title card at the beginning of the broadcast, adds much more to the article than an image of their graphics package. This image is a good combination of graphics and anchor; a shot like that would be ideal. That having been said, if some critical commentary is attached to the image, I'm willing to restore it (so long as it stays in the main namespace only). Ral315 (talk) 15:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

As for fair use guidelines, it illustrates how ABS-CBN conducts it's news coverages, in this case Manny Pacquiao's return to the country and his motorcade. --Howard the Duck 02:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Howard, please calm down and please note that two wrongs don't make a right. It is difficult to use fair use images anywhere but in mainspace as it should be. JoshuaZ 03:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The only reason why I'm like this is that I felt like the whole process was bypassed. It wasn't listed on IFD, PUI or anywhere else. All I'm asking is to follow the process. Remove all pics that aren't at the mainspace. That's not that hard to do, isn't it? After that, all of the uses of the images are fair use. --Howard the Duck 07:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

(Posting here since it was off-topic at the Signpost talk page). --Howard the Duck 15:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom question answers

1. What positions do you hold (adminship, mediation, etc.)?

   I currently hold no position within any Wikimedia-related community other than editor. I am formerly an administrator of the English Misplaced Pages, and have previously held checkuser rights on the English Misplaced Pages and the English Wiktionary, and oversight rights on the English Misplaced Pages. I have previously been a member of the Arbitration Committee, the Mediation Cabal, and the Foundation's Communication Committee. All such positions were resigned voluntarily. I've also been involved with OTRS, and still have access rights there, although I have not worked the queues in some time.

2. Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?

   As stated in my candidate statement, I am running because, in my evaluation, there are fewer candidates in the slate who are qualified to be arbitrators than there are open seats in the Committee. I therefore nominated myself in order to give the voters another choice and to decrease the chance that an unqualified candidate will be elected to the Committee.

3. Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?

   I have obviously been involved in a goodly number of arbitration cases as an arbitrator. I have also commented on several cases as a "friend of the Committee". I have been a named party in a small number of rejected cases, and in at least one accepted case, although that case occurred while I was not participating in Misplaced Pages and I did not participate in that case in any way. I think there is one other case from about a year ago where I was a named party, but I don't remember the details.

Respectfully submitted, Kelly Martin (talk) 19:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Im editating

I have to get medatation Re: The wikiproject report. - Nathannoblet 01:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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