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Minor edit
Please read wp:minor adding material is not a minor edit.Slatersteven (talk) 15:35, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
RS
Please read wp:rs. YouTube is not one.Slatersteven (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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OR
Please read wp:OR and wp:v, a source has to say it, it is not enough for you to see it. As far as I can tell neither the CNN m=nor CBC source says Young said that the Dodge had holes in the rear window—made by counter-protesters with baseball bats after the initial impact" (mmm maybe read wp:blp as well), so we cannot use those sources to say he did.Slatersteven (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- We can see in the video they show, clearly and beyond dispute, people in the crowd smashing the car windows with baseball bats. Why do we need the article to specifically say this happened when the video already clearly shows it happening? @Slatersteven: Edit5001 (talk) 18:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I do not agree it is that clear. One of them (maybe two) might have baseball bats, it they might be Poles from brocken placards, I do not think it is clear enough to see. Thus is why we do not allow OR, what you might consider obvious I do not, thus we go with what RS actually say. And you seeing it does not mean that Young said it.Slatersteven (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- The fact that one has a baseball bat (or at the very least a heavy metal object) and made a huge hole in the back window is clear enough. To leave out that the crowd was smashing things into the car, as the Wiki page previously did, was a pretty stark lack of information. @Slatersteven: Edit5001 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- So its based upon the size of the hole, so it might not have been a baseball bat. And again Young does not say a baseball bat was used, so we cannot claim he did.Slatersteven (talk) 18:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's based on the video showing one member of the crowd charging the car with a metal baseball bat (it meets the definition of baseball bat) after it came to a stop. This bat then makes a large hole in the back window of the car. I'm fine with moving this fact to a different area of the article, but it should be included. A fact checking website actually also says that prior to impacting the crowd that "it does appear that a pedestrian struck the back of Fields’ car with an object", so that should be included in the article as well. https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/driver-acting-self-defense/ @Slatersteven: Edit5001 (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- So no other object can make a hole like that in a car window?Slatersteven (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ohh and that fact checker also point out that before it was struck it was already driving at the crowd.Slatersteven (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- The object seen in the video that made the big hole is a baseball bat. I'm willing to move the fact away from the officer's testimony because you have a point that we shouldn't make it seem like he himself specified baseball bats in regards to the holes. However, the fact that at least one bat was used should still definitely be included as the video evidence exists and this video is featured in what Misplaced Pages qualifies as reputable sources. Edit5001 (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'll wait to see what others say now.Slatersteven (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- The object seen in the video that made the big hole is a baseball bat. I'm willing to move the fact away from the officer's testimony because you have a point that we shouldn't make it seem like he himself specified baseball bats in regards to the holes. However, the fact that at least one bat was used should still definitely be included as the video evidence exists and this video is featured in what Misplaced Pages qualifies as reputable sources. Edit5001 (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's based on the video showing one member of the crowd charging the car with a metal baseball bat (it meets the definition of baseball bat) after it came to a stop. This bat then makes a large hole in the back window of the car. I'm fine with moving this fact to a different area of the article, but it should be included. A fact checking website actually also says that prior to impacting the crowd that "it does appear that a pedestrian struck the back of Fields’ car with an object", so that should be included in the article as well. https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/driver-acting-self-defense/ @Slatersteven: Edit5001 (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- So its based upon the size of the hole, so it might not have been a baseball bat. And again Young does not say a baseball bat was used, so we cannot claim he did.Slatersteven (talk) 18:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- The fact that one has a baseball bat (or at the very least a heavy metal object) and made a huge hole in the back window is clear enough. To leave out that the crowd was smashing things into the car, as the Wiki page previously did, was a pretty stark lack of information. @Slatersteven: Edit5001 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I do not agree it is that clear. One of them (maybe two) might have baseball bats, it they might be Poles from brocken placards, I do not think it is clear enough to see. Thus is why we do not allow OR, what you might consider obvious I do not, thus we go with what RS actually say. And you seeing it does not mean that Young said it.Slatersteven (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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