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Why is the article I contributed coming under the "speedy deletion" criteria and being tagged as promotional? KD Content (talk) 06:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

KD Content Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I deleted the article because it was indeed promotional. You seem to have a common misconception about what Misplaced Pages is. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and not a place to merely tell about something. As an encyclopedia, Misplaced Pages summarizes what independent reliable sources say about article subjects that meet Misplaced Pages's special definition of notability. Misplaced Pages has no interest in what the subject wants to say about itself or in merely telling about a subject.

You also seem to have what we call a conflict of interest and, if you are a representative of the hospital, a paid editor. Editors with a conflict of interest should avoid directly editing about things related to it, and if paid, they are required by Misplaced Pages's Terms of Use to comply with the paid editing policy. I would also suggest that in your case, you should change your username; I will post instructions on how to do that at your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

First of all, it was very rude of you to delete the article without suggesting any scope for improvement. I had asked for help and guidance, not for deletion! Secondly, if you say that the content was promotional what are your views about these pages?: https://en.wikipedia.org/Sterling_Hospitals https://en.wikipedia.org/Krishna_Heart_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/Care_Institute_of_Medical_Sciences_(CIMS),_Ahmedabad Why are these pages sticking on Misplaced Pages? KD Content (talk) 06:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

No answer to this by 331dot !! KD Content (talk) 10:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

KD Content I was not aware you had responded(try pinging as I have pinged you). You should not cite other articles as a reason for your article to exist too, please read other stuff exists. As this is a volunteer project, it is possible for inappropriate articles to go undetected, even for years. Thanks for point out other potentially inappropriate articles. In these cases, however, I do not yet see evidence those articles were written by employees or representatives of those facilites. While you cannot publicly out other editors, if you believe that there are editors with an undeclared conflict of interest or have not declared their paid editing status, please address that at WP:COIN. 331dot (talk) 20:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@331dot: I don't intend to point at other articles as inappropriate, I wanted help through this post on how to improve the article rather than asking someone to delete it! You did not give any suggestion or point out anything that should be changed, rather you deleted it immediately!! And for your information, I am not a paid editor or representative of the hospital. KD Content (talk) 10:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I assume you are KD Content(remember to be logged in when you post). I am sorry, but if an article is tagged for speedy deletion and it meets the criteria as determined by an administrator, it may be deleted without delay or discussion. You wrote about a hospital called "Kusum Dhirajlal Hospital" and your current username(which you still need to change) is "KD Content" where I presume the KD stands for Kusum Dhirajlal which can suggest you are the 'content' editor for Kusum Dhirajlal Hospital. If you say you aren't, I take you at your word, but either way the article was a promotional piece for the hospital, having language like "It also excels in academics through its nursing college" which is an opinion, and detailing the services performed at the hospital. It detailed the hospital "mission" and "vision" which is unencyclopedic content, as it is impossible to independently verify what a facility believes to be its mission and vision to be. The article should only state what independent reliable sources say about the hospital, and not what the hospital says about itself. Most of the sources seem to also be press release or routine announcement type articles and not significant coverage. You may want to read Your First Article for some advice. I hope this helps you and I apologize for causing bad feelings, that was not my intention. 331dot (talk) 07:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

How to edit "top"

When I want to edit some section of an article, I can click on an "edit source" button near the section title. But when I want to edit the opening paragraphs, there isn't a section title, so I click on the "Edit source" tab at the top of the page. This works OK, but my edit summary doesn't say "top". I see other people's edits in the edit history that say "top", I suppose they could have typed it in themselves, but is there some automatic way to get that? Also, with a long article, previewing takes longer when it has to reload the whole article; it would be a bit more convenient if I could just edit the opening paragraphs. Or am I wishing for what ain't? Bruce leverett (talk) 01:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bruce leverett. What you're talking about is editing the MOS:LEAD section of an article and everything that comes above it. You can do this by simply clicking on the "Edit" tab at the top of the article and open the editing window for the entire articles. This works pretty well for shorter articles and articles without subsections. Another thing you can try would be to set your user preferences to add an "Edit" link for the leads of articles. Click on your "Preferences" tag at the top of your browser and then click on "Gadgets". Look for the "Appearance" section and check the box "Add an link for the lead section of a page". Save the changes and you should see an "Edit" button now being displayed for the lead sections of articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, just what I was looking for! Bruce leverett (talk) 02:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why this isn't part of the default. It seems much more useful to have the ability to edit just the lead without having to open up the entire page for editing. --Khajidha (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@Khajidha: If you click on any "edit section" link you end up on an URL ending with, e.g., for the 1st section …&section=1 in the address bar of your browser. If you replace the 1 by 0 and go to this modified addresss you can edit the lede (lead). It's one of those "once you know it" things, only a section instead of the complete page can be very important over shaky mobile broadband connections. –07:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I already use the method described above about adding a section edit button. I just can't see why that isn't enabled by default. --Khajidha (talk) 02:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

use of non free screenshots to demonstrate video game features?

I am trying to improve the article Carmageddon II: Carpocalypse Now, I wanted to add some screenshots to demonstrate the games engine, I have it at my native resolution but I see that I need to resize or descale it, could someone please explain as i am very confused.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amdcrash (talk • contribs) 10:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Amdcrash. There are important licencing and useage issues which you need to be aware of, and guidance on these are laid out at Misplaced Pages:Software screenshots. I note the line there which states: "Screenshots should be taken at a reduced screen resolution, such as 640x480, 800x600 or 1024x768". Any simple image editing program on your computer will let you reduce image size, and is a simple task. (My personal choice is IrfanView, but MS Paint will do at a pinch!)

Having assured yourself by careful reading of all our guidance that you are not contravening the non-free use of an image, it can then be uploaded directly to English Misplaced Pages, or to Wikimedia Commons. (To be honest, I'm not confident that the use you have in mind would be deemed as OK under our non-free use policy, as there are already two images on the page which serve that purpose). Uploading images to Commons enables any language Misplaced Pages to use the image, though their licencing conditions are extremely strict (moreso than here). Any infringement results in images being swiftly removed. See Misplaced Pages:Uploading images for detailed guidance on how images can be uploaded. Let us know if this helps you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

thank you for your reply, I wanted to know if reducing the image size by 50% would be fine? for instance, 1366 by768 to 683 by 384? Amdcrash (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@Amdcrash: I suspect that would be fine. The most important thing is whether or not the screenshot image you propose to create would meet our non-free use rationale. Have you read through it and decided that it will be?

@Amdcrash: If you pick the commons route after reading c:COM:SCREENSHOTS upload the screenshot as is on commons. For that there must be no copyrighted content such as logos etc. unless it's c:Commons:De minimis. For fair use uploads here reducing the size could help, but as noted above, a non-free use rationale for more images on an article that already has non-free images is "hard", you're probably wasting your time. –84.46.52.214 (talk) 07:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Please read through my article Klimo Library

Hello there! I have just finished my article and I would like to kindly ask your help. I do not trust fully in my English, so I would be thankful if someone checks the article. Thanks in advance! Bencemac (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bencemac. I haven't had a proper read through, but I noticed there's a lot about the founder, György Klimó. You really should remove all that content about him and place it in his main article. And then you should wikilink back from his article to the library page. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Tagged with references needed. Work on refs after reducing the content about György Klimó. David notMD (talk) 21:08, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@David notMD: I do not fully understand why these books (including monographs) are not reliable enough. They are in Hungarian, that is true, but I cannot change the fact there are no sources in English. Bencemac (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bencemac: The references are OK. The problem is that paragraphs and sections of the article do not have references. If the existing references support that content, then those refs need to be used for the currently unreferenced content. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

They are for the whole article. Bencemac (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Searching name on Wiki

Hi there -

when someone searches the name "Steve McIntosh" on Misplaced Pages, it lists him as “American businessman.” Is it possible to change that to “American writer?”

Thanks for your help.

Ileana — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwachtel (talk • contribs) 22:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Iwachtel: Is this about Steve_McIntosh? It looks like the lead sentence already mentions he is an Author. RudolfRed (talk) 22:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but when you search his name on the landing page of Misplaced Pages it says "American Businessman." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwachtel (talk • contribs) 22:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Iwachtel: When you say "landing page of Misplaced Pages", I assume you mean https://www.wikipedia.org where it did indeed say "American businessman". That's presumably because it is pulling that information from his Wikidata entry at https://www.wikidata.org/Q7613335, which I have now changed to "American author and businessman", based upon his English Misplaced Pages entry. Is that better? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I have another question. I added new information on Steve McIntosh's page and saved it now it is all gone. What happened, do you know? I spent like 2 hours added updated information. Is there anywhere it is saved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwachtel (talk • contribs) 00:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Iwachtel The revisions were removed with Revision deletion by admin Sphilbrick as violatiosn of copyright, apparently being copied from http://www.culturalevolution.org/about-us/steve-mcintosh/ You must not copy and paste text from outside sources into Misplaced Pages unless it is marked as a quotation (see also WP:QUOTE).

also, please sign posts here or on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). The wiki software converts this into yoru signature and a tiomestamp. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 00:53, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel Gotacha. If I mark as quotation mark will they be accepted? And, if I try again,are my edits which were removed accessible anywhere? Or gone for good? Thank you for your help.Iwachtel (talk) 01:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Iwachtel: Every edit that everyone has ever made to an article can be found by clicking on the relevant date for that edit in the View History Tab. (See here) The only exception to this is where either grossly offensive comments or copyright violations have been permanently deleted. Because we take copyright violations very seriously, you'll see that those particular edits have been struck out, and aren't visible. Out of interest, do note that each saved edit change has a 'radio button' next to it. You can select any two edits and view a comparison of the differences - something that's really useful at times. So, although all your edits were reverted en masse, you can find the other ones and select content that you may wish to utilise in future edits. (see here).

But I would like to make two further suggestions in the way you edit. Firstly, please would you include an edit summary to briefly explain what changes you have made in each edit? This can be really helpful to yourself and others when you're trying to understand why an edit has been made. And secondly, I noted that you'd added or changed a small number of sub-headings. Our so-called 'Manual of Style' sets out this rule that we only capitalise the first word in headings. Unless a proper name, all subsequent words should be in lower case. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:43, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Iwachtel In this case the copied content was not, in my view, appropriate for use as a quotation, so I will not restore it nor provide a copy to you. Please do read WP:QUOTE. Note that every quotation mus have three things: 1) In-text attribution showing the speaker or writer, and usually the publication in which the quote appeared, or the occasion on which a verbal statement was made ("As John Doe wrote in Articles for Citation...") 2) The quote must be marked with quotation marks or with <blockquote>...</blockquote> tags. 3)Immediatly after the quote, there must be an inline citaton to a source where the quote appears, showing clearly who said or wrote the content. In addition, the nature of the quoted content should be such that it is better and more clearly presented as a quotation than by restating the facts. It is this last requirement which does not apply in this case, as I see it. Thus you will need to rewrite the content in your own original words, to re-include it. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 03:55, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

DESiegel, FYI, I concur with DES's excellent summary of what is needed to include as a quote. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:49, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I am back with more questions. 1. If I want to cite a blog post from a website by the person who's wiki I'm editing is that considered appropriate? 2. How do I find some of the edits I made yesterday that were removed to fix them nd try to restore them? I don't see where they are stored. 4. If there is information about a person's history or personal/early life that is impossible to find a citation can that be included? 5. Does information on a website for the person's organization who's page I am editing count as an outside source? Thank you so much!! Iwachtel (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Since DESiegel might be busy or might not have noticed your post, I will take a shot at answering them.

1. Yes, but only in certain cases as explained in WP:BLPSELFPUB. A blog would be considered a primary source which means you have to be careful how you try to use it as a citation.
2. You should be able to see every edit made to an article in it's page history. The edits will be listed in the chronological order in which they were made (i.e. the time they were made) followed by the name of the person who made the edit; so, if you look for your username, you should find your edits.
3. No. Pretty much anything you want to add about something written about in a Misplaced Pages article is going to be expected to be supported by a citation to a reliable source as explained in Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, not truth. This is particularly the case with respect to content about living persons as explained in WP:BLPSOURCES. Does this mean that all content found in all Misplaced Pages articles is actually properly supported by a citation? No, it doesn't and if you look at enough articles, you'll find plenty which have been tagged as needing more or better citations and plenty which have not even been yet noticed to need more or better citations. However, just because you can find some poorly sourced or completely unsourced article content, that doesn't mean it's OK to create more poorly sourced or completely unsourced article content.
4. It depends, but most likely not for the same reasons given above about blogs. An organization's website is going to be most likely be considered a primary source when it comes to content it hosts about one of it's members and therefore may only be OK to use under certain conditions. If by "outside" source you mean "independent" source, then you might want to take a look at WP:SECONDARY and WP:INDEPENDENT for types of sources which tend to be preferred over primary sources.

I hope that answers your questions, but perhaps DES or another editor will respond as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:15, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

My other question is were the other publications removed because they didn't have the proper <ref></ref>? I will correct those and reinsert the publications if that is the only reason. Thank you. Iwachtel (talk) 20:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Missing reference tags is a common error that's quite easy to fix and isn't really something that usually leads to a citation being removed. Citaitons really only tend to be removed when there's a problem with the source such as it doesn't mean the definition of a "reliable source" given in WP:RS for one reason or another. You should look at the page history of the article to see who removed the citation and why. Most experienced editors will leave an edit summary explaining why they made an particular edit; so, look to see if there's any edit summary explaining why. If there is and you don't understand what it means, you can always post a question about it on the article's talk page or ask the editor themselves about it on their user talk page. If no edit summary was left and you think a mistake was made in removing the citation, you can try and re-add it (just make sure you leave an edit summary explaining why); if, however, it's removed again by the same editor or even another editor, then you should at least try and find out why by posting on the article's talk page and asking for clarification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:15, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Question about proper citation

Hello, I'm attempting to add a second sentence to follow the single sentence which currently resides under the "Uses" section of the Methylphenidate page. The sentence I'd like to add is as follows:

"According to the American Society of Clinical Oncology, methylphenidate may also be used to manage severe cancer-related fatigue in adult patients with advanced disease or in patients receiving active cancer treatment."

I already know how to add this, however, I'm confused about how to add my citation such that it appears in the References section at the end of the page & is hyperlinked by a numbered superscript at the end of my sentence. I'd greatly appreciate any explanation as to how I should do this. The following URL is my source, which also gives the citation of the article:

https://ascopubs.org/doi/pdf/10.1200/JCO.2013.53.4495 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConduitPharmacy (talk • contribs) 04:05, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ConduitPharmacy, Please seee Referencing for beginners and Citing sources on how to format citations in general. In this specific case, i would insert the following:

<ref>{{cite journal |url=https://ascopubs.org/doi/pdf/10.1200/JCO.2013.53.4495 |doi=10.1200/JCO.2013.53.4495 |date=June 10, 2014 |title=Screening, Assessment, and Management of Fatigue in Adult Survivors of Cancer: An American Society of Clinical Oncology Clinical Practice Guideline Adaptation |first1=Julienne E. |last1=Bower |first2=Kate |last2=Bak Ann Berger |first3=William |last3=Breitbart |first4=Carmelita P. |last4=Escalante |first5=Patricia A. |last5=Ganz |first6=Hester Hill |last6=Schnipper |first7=Christina |last7=Lacchetti |first8=Jennifer A. |last8=Ligibel |first9=Gary H. |last9=Lyman |first10=Mohammed S. |last10=Ogaily |first11=William F. |last11=Pirl |first12=Paul B. |last12=Jacobsen |work=] |volume=32 |issue=17 |publisher=American Society of Clinical Oncology |pmc=4039870 |pmid=24733803 }}</ref>

which would render like this.

References

1. Bower, Julienne E.; Bak Ann Berger, Kate; Breitbart, William; Escalante, Carmelita P.; Ganz, Patricia A.; Schnipper, Hester Hill; Lacchetti, Christina; Ligibel, Jennifer A.; Lyman, Gary H.; Ogaily, Mohammed S.; Pirl, William F.; Jacobsen, Paul B. (June 10, 2014). "Screening, Assessment, and Management of Fatigue in Adult Survivors of Cancer: An American Society of Clinical Oncology Clinical Practice Guideline Adaptation". Journal of Clinical Oncology. 32 (17). American Society of Clinical Oncology. doi:10.1200/JCO.2013.53.4495. PMC 4039870. PMID 24733803.

I added the PMCID and PMID to the cite above, since it hasn't been inserted in the article yet. —— 05:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The thing about my draft...

Right, so I made a draft about this obscure mobile game, Russian Rider Online. I first asked if anyone know about it on my user talk page and got no response. So I go ahead and make the article about Russian Rider Online and it gets rejected not long after I submitted it. I even included a reference in there (and by reference I mean a link to it on the App Store because I don’t know how to cite). Is it because that many people don’t know about it, because it’s so obscure? I mean, it can’t be that unknown, right?

SgtMikhail (talk) 05:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)SgtMikhail

Hello, SgtMikhail, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are several issues here.

• First, just posting at your own talk page when you haven't been in conversation with anyone particular on the the topic is like mailing aletter to yourself. No one else is likely to see it, so the lack of response doesn't mean much. One might ask at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Games, but that doesn't seem to be very active.
• Second, while Misplaced Pages does have many articles on topics not very well known, all topics must be notable. Thius usually means that there must be multiple independent published reliable sources that discuss the topic in some depth. Your link to the AppStore isn't independant, because they distribute the fame, and in any case is only a passing mention. Now if ther were several published reviews of the game, not from fansites or blogs or fora or wikis, then those mighyt demonstrate notability. In this case the reviewer belived that there were no such sources to be found. which is why the draft was rejected, not just declined. The reviewer is saying that you would be wasting your own time, and that of future possible reviewers, by trying again. If you seriously disagree, try to find at least three independent reliable sources that discuss the game in detail. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 07:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

More geneerally, when creating a new article, you nneed to be careful and diligent. Here are some steps which, if followed carefully, often lead to success:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Misplaced Pages does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draaft when you thimnk it is ready for reviewq. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Misplaced Pages article. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 07:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Editing an Infobox Template

Hi fellow Wikipedians, I want to edit the following infobox template. In the source of the page I can see the items numbered, like label1, label2, label3 and so on. If I want to add something in between the list, I have to increment all the labels below by +1. Is there any automatic way to do the task.--Sanyam.wikime (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Sanyam.wikime, and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that the edit notice on Template:Infobox India university ranking says, in significant part:

Do not add new rankings to the template without discussing them on the talk page, or at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Education in India.

So please discuss your planned changes before worring about hopw to implement them.

If you did implement them I strongly suspect that manual renumbering would be needed. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 07:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

It's at label96 now. You could copy and paste the content into a file on your box. and create a one-liner script in the direction of for I=96 to x by -1 do; for S in "header", "label", "data" do; replace S || I by S || (I + 1); end; end;, and copy the edited content back if it looks good. Number x would be the place where you want to insert a new header or label. This template looks horrible, definitely discuss it on its talk page first. Porting it from the template to the module namespace might be better. –84.46.52.214 (talk) 08:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Folks already discussed this two weeks ago on the template talk page, and have a script for this job. No new insights here. –84.46.52.5 (talk) 06:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

What is the history and origin (and what is the meaning of it's name)...

...of the city/town of unknown (2 of them, near each other) in Switzerland? It is located on Google Earth maps, but when I zoom in there is nothing there except that a road runs through one. No where else have I received any info about this town (including Google). Perhaps someone who has lived a long time in that country would have some knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.214.236 (talk) 13:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you asking about a particular article? 331dot (talk) 13:34, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The information on Google maps is not always correct, but the Teahouse is here to help people actually edit Misplaced Pages, not to answer general questions. It sounds like your best bet is to ask the good folk over at our Reference Desk who love answering obscure or random questions like this one. But they're not mind-readers either, so you'll have to give them a url link to Google maps to work from! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

publishing first article

hi, I have read in certain blogs that I need to edit 10 articles in order to publish an article on wikipedia, is that true? and also, how will I be informed that the articles i edited is confirmed and I can publish my own article on wikipedia? Is it possible to publish my own article without editing 10 wiki article? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzthegeek (talk • contribs) 15:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Uzthegeek,

The first thing everyone gets told here, is that creating an entirely new article is possibly the hardest task on Misplaced Pages.

Users with less than 10 edits over four days have to have their articles reviewed by wp:Articles for Creation, where experienced editors check over them for you. It is true that after 10 edits you can publish an article directly, however, it will still be reviewed, but by a different set of users. It is recommended that new users use articles for creation, even if they don't technically have to, until they have a good understanding about policies.

Should you wish to start writing an article, you are also advised to follow the wp:article wizard, which guides you through the process. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Note that you have already had 10 edits over 4 days. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

you mean i have had edited 10 articles by now and i can publish my own article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzthegeek (talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but as you were told above, we recommend against that. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Uzthegeek: For File:Mike_donilon.jpg I suggest to add a {{Db-self}} deletion request, unless you can release this photo under a free licence. On enwiki fair use isn't possible for non-free photos of living people. –84.46.53.91 (talk) 16:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

How to delete a 'Draft Rejected' message?

I recently had an article rejected, and I have a new article prepared. How do I get rid of the 'Draft Rejected' message on my talk page and does recently having an article rejected disable your ability to submit an article to be published? Thenorthgoingzax (talk) 15:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Thenorthgoingzax Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can simply edit your user talk page to remove the notice. Having one draft rejected does not affect your ability to submit another or to fix the issues with that draft and resubmit it. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Article wrong.

This Flag Semaphore article Flag_semaphore Has pictures illustrating the different letters from the Latin alphabet in flag form, the problem is, a few of them are completely different to other graphs I've found. One Google image search gives me a consistant graph of flag semaphores and whilst they are all the same as each other a good third of the letters are completely different from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:A04D:7400:C54A:A65D:7775:1DA5 (talk) 16:39, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi!

• Why do you think the Misplaced Pages article is wrong and not the other page?
• Did you consider a possibility that both are correct (but maybe one of them is e.g. outdated)?
• What is that other page?

CiaPan (talk) 16:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Topic ambiguity

I find that searching for process automation mostly brings up results in business process automation, however I am looking for process automation as used in industrial applications. Is it that wiki is low on industrial applications and so it tends to go to business or is it a mistake I make when forming the search topic. How do contributors ensure topic un-ambiguity?

Having said this, i do find the information i am looking for and can contribute to those articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Processautomation (talk • contribs) 22:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Processautomation. The main article is Process automation system and many related articles are listed in Category:Industrial automation. For more general information about ambiguous topics, please see Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:18, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Processautomation: I'm guessing you just typed process automation into the search box that appears at the top of every page. By default, when it finds a direct hit for your request, it sends you to that article instead of a list of matches. In this case process automation is currently (perhaps wrongly) a redirect (kind of an alternate name for) the article business process automation. If, however, you go to Special:Search and enter the search there, you will always get a list of search results. There may also be a way to to turn off this behavior of the search box somewhere in your preferences (that I can't currently find). BTW, search for "process automation" (with the quotes) to only return matches of that exact phrase (see Help:Search for more about the capabilities of search). —— 12:14, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Francesco Lotoro Bio

When there is mention of what this amazing man does it fails to specifically say that the music he is recovering is from the Holocaust,notjust “during the most dramatic events of the twentieth Century”. And what about the names of the camps. see below for reference.

In the 1990s he conceived the project of collecting the entire musical literature produced by musicians in captivity during the most dramatic events of the twentieth century, starting with the collection and recording of all the piano and chamber music works written by Alois Piňos,

I find these omissions offensive and disturbing. Please correct this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.67.182 (talk) 01:19, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP 70.26.67.182. The best place for you to discuss specific ways to improve the article Francesco Lotoro would be on it's corresponding talk page Talk:Francesco Lotoro. So, if you're not sure how to properly edit a Misplaced Pages article and are worried about making a mistakes, you can start a discussion about this on the article's talk page. At the same time, if you can find reliable sources (as defined by Misplaced Pages) which support the additional content you feel should be mentioned, you can also be bold and make the changes yourself. If, however, another editor subsequently disagrees with the changes and reverts them, please follow Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution and try to resolve the matter on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, the article's reference supporting the quoted extract above is a piece (in The Washington Post) that discusses the fact that many involved in this work prefer not to use the term "Holocaust" in this context, for reasons explained there at length. I wouldn't disagree that the Misplaced Pages article could afford be less circumspect, but the "omissions" complained of by the OP clearly reflect this point of view rather than being merely thoughtless. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.178 (talk) 07:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Use of et al.

Hello Teahouse members,

I'm editing Disability in India and just added a journal article with very many authors, which you can see here. Template:Cite journal#Parameters#Description#Authors mentions a "collaboration" parameter which will add "et al.". I've included it in the ref but it doesn't appear. What do I need to enter with the parameter to make it actually appear in the reference?

Thanks Gazelle55 (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gazelle55. If you scroll through the instructions for Template:Cite journal#Display options, you should find something about a parameter called |display-authors. I think by using this parameter, you can tell the template to use "et al." when it formats the reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Other languages not showing

मिशन शक्ति isn’t listing as the Hindi language alternative to Mission Shakti under the "Languages" section on the left side of Misplaced Pages page. This is despite that I have made necessary tweaks to the Wikidata item. Please help.— Vaibhavafro  04:30, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

d:Q62598236 looks good, and your user page has हिन्दी, no idea what's wrong. –84.46.52.5 (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Vaibhavafro: Misplaced Pages uses internal cache servers. See Help:Cache for more info. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I can see an entry for Hindu Misplaced Pages in the "Languages" section, but I need to WP:PURGE the page first. Perhaps, the same will work for you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Question about what makes a source "reliable"

I recently submitted an article draft for my company - https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Jack_Zagorski/Mana_(food) - which was declined for publication on the following account: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Misplaced Pages article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

I believe that the sources I cited meet these criteria. They are reliable, secondary sources that are independent of my company, which focus exclusively on our company/products and which are not just passing mentions. However, it's important to note that I am a new Misplaced Pages user and that I have a conflict of interest (as a freelancer who works for the company). So, my overall understanding of the feedback is that the references themselves are not inappropriate, but that we simply need more references, ideally from bigger names. Is this correct? Can anyone shed light on this? Thanks in advance for the clarification/advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Zagorski (talk • contribs) 08:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Jack Zagorski Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are a company representative, you must read and comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies(the latter is a Misplaced Pages Terms of Use requirement and mandatory).

The sources you offer are not independent reliable sources. One is an interview with the CEO of the company, and the others are routine product announcements or press release-type articles from the company. Misplaced Pages articles should only summarize significant coverage given to the subject by sources that have chosen on their own to do so and are independent of the subject. Misplaced Pages is not interested in what the company says about itself or its own products, only in what others say about it. The sources must also show that the subject meets Misplaced Pages's special definition of notability. You may want to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Jack Zagorski: I normally use the phrase "professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources" because it's a little clearer. Latestfuels.com is really just a blog by two enthusiasts. The Bevnet.com and Prague Monitor pieces reads like roundabout press releases, not them independently noticing you. Expats.cz, while having something like a board of editors, brags way too much about how many people they "reach" and also has positions for Digital Marketing and Customer Service that give the impression they're really a marketing firm disguised as news site. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

331dot and Ian.thomson - Thank you for your prompt feedback. Though I fully declared my paid-editing COI before submitting my draft, I now have a better understanding of why the sources were not accepted. However, I must admit that I'm still not sure how it's possible to cite a truly "independent" source by the criteria stated above; Bevnet.com, for example, is a professional, mainstream B2B publication, and we had no say in what they wrote. Furthermore, any other journalistic medium that might publish about us, even the most professional like the NY Times, is likely to contact us before publishing. That essentially leaves academic publications as our only hope? Before trying again, I will certainly take a look at the "First Article" bit. Thanks for the link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Zagorski (talk • contribs) 09:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Jack Zagorski That source interviews the company CEO(like another source did) and is a routine product announcement. Those are not acceptable for establishing notability as Misplaced Pages defines it. (at WP:N) Unfortunately, not every company or its products warrant a mention on Misplaced Pages. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The NY Times is a news agency that just does news. Bevnet is ultimately an advertising firm, even if their service is primarily advertising to other businesses instead of the general consumer. There's a big difference. While Prague Monitor could otherwise be reliable regular news source in other instances (no comment on that one way or another), in this case, it was clear that the company behind Mana reached out to them and influenced them. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Maybe tackle a Draft:Heaven Labs instead of their mana, radio.cz + irishtimes.com could be RS. –84.46.52.5 (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Jack Zagorski, When a news reporter talks to a subject, but also does independent research, investigation, and analysis, the resulting story is considered independent. When a publication simply quotes or digests and repeats a press release, the resulting story is considered no more independent than the release. There is sometimes confusion When a story repeats the major points of a press release with no significant additions, and particularly when it repeats or closely paraphrases language from the release, it is obviously just a digest of the release. Specific cases may be discussed at the Reliable Source Noticeboard. Interviews that consists of short questions and long answers are essentially all the words of the person interviewed, ans so are no more independent than a statement by that person. News stories that contain some quotes from a subject or associate, but contain significant content in the reporter's voice, or quoted from independent people are a very different matter. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 18:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Create a page about allyl isocyanide

No this topic isn't created in isocyanide page .so please publish a new page on this topic . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwan2002 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles are created by editors. You are welcome to attempt to create an article on the topic you have proposed. David notMD (talk) 11:36, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Siwan2002: Please see the answers given at Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1038#Create a page about allyl isocyanide when you asked about this three days ago. Is further clarification needed? —— 12:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Siwan2002: If you're not confident about doing this, why not give it your best shot in your own personal sandbox (see link at very top of any page), then pop back here, or drop a note on my talk page, and we'll give it a good look over for you? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

New editors violating BLP policies

I have made significant edits to a BLP. I have been particularly careful to adhere to Misplaced Pages's BLP. New editors have recently made edits to the page that do not adhere to these guidelines. (One is a username that has made only one edit and another is an IP address.) I continue to undo the poor edits. The new editors undo my reversions. What can be done? Will I have to click "undo" forever? How can I require that new editors to a page be autoconfirmed users? Mideastprofessor (talk) 11:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Mideastprofessor: Can I assume we are talking about David Keyes? Covering allegations of misconduct, and how much weight to put on them, is always tricky. The edits you are reverting don't look egregiously unreasonable, and in some respects may be more appropriate (for example, if there have been allegations of sexual misconduct then a subheading of 'allegations of sexual misconduct' is arguably more balanced than a generic 'controversy' heading). I'm not really the person to mediate, however, and I'm certainly not going to say who is 'right'. What you should do is discuss the dispute on the article talk page, and agree wording, with input from uninvolved editors if needs be. What you absolutely should not do is keep clicking the undo button, as this could constitute edit warring. Hug 12:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. I appreciate it. Mideastprofessor (talk) 12:28, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Any way to speed this up in a legit way?

Hi. I nominated an article for deletion on 12 Dec - Citizenship Amendment Act protests. I have striken off my initial reason since it doesn't stand and have WP:WITHDRAWN to keep. But now the AFD is holding up the ITN for this and its parent article. Could an admin just check please and see if we can close this now or merge it into the main article Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019. Thanks in advance for whatever the outcome. DTM (talk) 12:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

DiplomatTesterMan, the AFD has since been closed. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 13:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

DiplomatTesterMan, For future reference, there is a gadget (found in the preferences -> gadgets -> Maintenance and administration) called XFDcloser that allows you to easily do all the steps in closing AFDs (& others). As long as you follow the guidelines in WP:NACD you are able to close some AFDs yourself. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 13:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Noodletools to cite sources

Is it okay if I use Noodletools to cite sources? Acarlson25 (talk) 12:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Acarlson25! Never heard of them, but that doesn't matter. Per I can't really say, but I'm sceptical. Are they a publisher, and of what? And what do you want to reference with them? You can try Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, NoodleTools is not a publisher or anything like that, they are a service used to help you properly cite everything in papers you write, i have used it in school a few times. If they are asking if they can use it as a source, that would be a no as they don’t even publish anything, and the citation tool on it doesn’t do Wiki style refs AFAIK. LakesideMiners 12:48, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Ah! OP may be helped by Help:Referencing for beginners then. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

how to make flush right lines

I'd be very grateful if someone would look at David Walker (abolitionist)#Resist oppression and tell me how to make the last lines of the quote flush right. I've searched fruitlessly in the help files. deisenbe (talk) 13:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want, but Template:Cquote wants a |source=… instead of a <br/><right>…</right>, fixed. –84.46.52.5 (talk) 14:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Deisenbe I take it that you have in mind setting a quotation with right justification for the text. This should not normally b done in articles by any method. Nor should {{cquote}} be used in articles at all See MOS:BLOCKQUOTE for style guidance on this. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 18:00, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not trying to set a block of text flush right. "Source=" is just what I needed.

Why does {{cquote}} exist, where is it appropriate? It's not deprecated.deisenbe (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

It is basically for use on user pages. Read Template talk:cquote where there has been discussion of this going back for years. I am considering a new RfC to change its behavior in article space. I am sorry for misunderstanding your intent. I have edited David Walker (abolitionist) to remove {{cquote}}, which edits I have explained on Talk:David Walker (abolitionist)#Quote format. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 18:52, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

i need help with my music artist bio

can you help me create Blitz The Entertainer article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blitz The Ent (talk • contribs) 18:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Blitz The Ent and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems you want to create an article about yourself. Please read our guideline on autobiography, where you will see that such articles are strongly discouraged. If you are in fact notable someone else should eventually write such an article. Pleas see our guideline on the notability of musicians. Many musicians and entertainers are not notable in the special way that Misplaced Pages defines the term. Normally there must be multiple independent published professional reliable sources , each of which discusses the topic in some detail. Without that, an article is not usually possible. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 18:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Here are some steps which, if followed carefully, often lead to success in creating an article.

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Misplaced Pages does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draaft when you thimnk it is ready for reviewq. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Misplaced Pages article. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 18:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Question for deletion requests.

This is multiple parts.

Part one: Can people comment on this article for deletion request? There is only a handful of people who edited the article, so I have a feeling it won’t have many comments over the deletion request. https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2019_Bagram_Airfield_attack

Part two: I have a feeling this is not the place to ask for other editors to comment on an article. Can someone please verify the correct place to ask for comments in this type of situation?

Thanks in advance. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Elijahandskip, and welcome to the Teahouse.

On your first point, it is not only permitted but encouraged for any editor to express an opnion in any AfD discussion, and having more editors comment in any give discussion is, within reason, a good thing. But do be aware of Misplaced Pages:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and of Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy in general.

On your second point: The thing to strongly avoid is to canvass votes, that is to alert editors because you think they would favor or oppose deletion in a particular case, or to post notifications where they are likely to be seen primarily by those taking one side of the debate. That is a definite violation of policy. Posting neutrally worded notificatiosn to general fora is less of a problem, but it is not really what the Teahouse is about.

By the way, please in future when referring to an article here (or on a talk page) please use a wiki-link, not a URL. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 20:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

2019 Tornadoes

There Is A Tornado Outbreak Going On In South And Nobody Is Doing ANYTHING, It seems like Misplaced Pages is being lazy lately, Especially about the 2019-20 north american winter — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProGamerYT676 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

ProGamerYT676 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can do it based on the information they have available(or can get) in subjects that either interest them or they take note of. If an article about a particular subject does not yet exist, it simply means no one has written about it yet. You are welcome to attempt to do so yourself(though it is challenging to do); please see Your First Article and Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, ProGamerYT676, Pleas see WP:NOTNEWS. Misplaced Pages is not a news site, and not all recent events are promptly written up as articles. Indeed, often one cannt well determine if an event is notable until some time has passed. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 22:04, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Also, in future, please sign your posts here and on user and article talk pages (but never in articles) with four tildes(~~~~). The wiki software will convert this into your signature plus a timestamp. It helps keep straight who wrote what in a discussion. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 22:04, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ProGamerYT676. An article called Tornadoes of 2019 already exists, and you are welcome to help improve it. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Ad hominem hack in Misplaced Pages listing

The listing for Max Boot on Misplaced Pages has been hacked. I have a screen capture, but your avenues for reporting this sort of thing don't seem to be available. I gave up trying to report this with a screen capture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theriverstone (talk • contribs) 23:27, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Theriverstone. Vandalism to Max Boot was reverted on December 14. You could have reverted the vandalism yourself. The proper place to report ongoing vandalism is Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Screen captures are not required. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Theriverstone and welcome to teh Teahouse. That was vandalism and has be reverted in this edit.

Thank you very much for the report. For future reference a acreen capture is never needed for such a report. Usually a wiki-link to the article (or other page) will do. At most a diff is needed, or a link plus a specific indication of the area in the article that has been affected, if the change was some time ago and not instantly obvious on inspection.

Persistant vandalism by the same editor, continuing after warnings, can be reported at WP:AIV. Any editor can revert simple vandalism and warn the vandalizing editor. The Misplaced Pages gadget Twinkle can make this task simpler and easier. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 23:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Also, in future, please sign your posts here and on user and article talk pages (but never in articles) with four tildes(~~~~). The wiki software will convert this into your signature plus a timestamp. It helps keep straight who wrote what in a discussion. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 23:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Is there a wikiproject open tasks bot?

I am the sole coordinator of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Prussia and I think it would benefit from having an open tasks page, but it would take me hours to set one up manually. I was wondering if there was a bot that could do it for me or extra tools I could use. It is hard to clear a backlog when you don't know what's in it.

Kaiser Kitkat (talk) 01:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kaiser Kitkat. You might want to try asking at Misplaced Pages:Bots/Noticeboard or Misplaced Pages talk:Bot Approvals Group about this since someone watching those pages may know of a bot which can do what you want to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:01, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Kaiser Kitkat (talk) 05:05, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Notes

I am trying to get "Notes" into 2 columns instead of one long running paragraph? Is there a way to leave a space between the notes? Please see Orshi Drozdik Thank you much! ovA_165443 (talk) 04:03, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Osvaldo valdes 165443. Template:Notelist works in pretty much the same way as Template:Reflist. The software will automatically display the notes in columns according to how many there are; so, if it's currently only displaying them as one column, then that's the software's way of letting you know that one columns is probably all that's needed. It's possible, however, to override this and actually tell the software to set the width of the notes column to a certain value, and by adjusting this value you can actually display essentially have the notes displayed in more than one column. You can find out more about how to do this in Template:Reflist#Columns. One thing to consider when doing this is MOS:ACCESS because not everyone reading the article may be using the same device that you are. The software will generally display things the best way possible for whatever device the reader is using if you let if do things on its own; however, if you "force" it to display things a certain way then it might make things hard to read for some users. For this reason, fixing the number of columns in the references and notes section to a specific number has been deprecated in favor of allowing the software to adjust things according to column width. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much! ovA_165443 (talk) 13:15, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Organising an Editathon

Hi, I am organising an editathon and would love to verz simply communicate to those involved how exactly they should go about selecting pages to edit. What guidelines do you have for how to pick the actual content to edit? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.239.220.249 (talk) 08:48, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

You'll probably already have seen it, but if you haven't, you may want to read Misplaced Pages:How to run an edit-a-thon and .

Typically they are focused on a single topic, usually an underrepresented one. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 09:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

But there isn't a policy on which topic to choose. You could do a Pokemon editathon if you really wanted, but it would be a bad idea. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 09:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

You might want to look at fr:Projet:Art+Féminisme/2016/Genève (French) for an previous Geneva based example. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 09:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The topic usually depends on where the editathon is and what if any experts you have available. Often they are held in conjunction with museums or places with an archive, and the archivist has made photocopies of print reviews available. Ideally you get the institution to publicise the event to their membership and you get people coming who are interested in Opera, Steamtrains or whatever the venue offers in terms of expertise and archives. If you are holding an editathon in an internet cafe or similar venue where you are asked to choose the topic, then invite people to edit whatever interests them. ϢereSpielChequers 13:03, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The Washington DC group often creates a "worklist" in advance of topics for which sources related to the theme will be available, and topics on which there is no current article which might be created at the editathon. See Misplaced Pages:Ada Lovelace Day Edit-a-thon at Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (AWHI)#Suggested Article Work List for an example. Note the articles in the Articles to Create subsection that are now blue. (At least one has gone to DYK.) But diferent groups do it in very different ways. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 14:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. We don't have any guidelines on choosing topics for editathons. It's up to you and your expected audience. You don't even need to have a theme. But to have answered you most effectively, you really should have told us something about the intended audience. Schoolchildren, university students; general public, librarians, people with previous experience of editing, mixed drop-in etc etc?

But if all you want is simple advice to give anyone of to unilaterally choose a topic for themselves to edit upon, I'd simply encourage them to visit Misplaced Pages and to browse through for articles that interest them personally. Maybe pages about their local area, or hobby, or profession, and look for obvious gaps in content, spelling or grammatical errors, templates at the top of the page, or 'citation needed' messages after individual factual statements. You'd remind them that they can't simply add stuff from their own personal knowledge, but to find paper or online sources that that can insert as a reference to support existing or new content.

If I wanted to prepare articles in advance, I'd list them on the event page I had created. If the event is topic based, I'd go to the relevant WikiProject and look for ideas there. For example, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United Nations or Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Switzerland. Each Wikiproject usually has a table showing the number of articles relating to it, both by importance (low to top) and by quality assessment (Stub to Featured Article). So, at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United Nations/Articles I see there are currently 721 stub articles, of which 97 have been assessed for importance. See WP:STUB to appreciate that these are the shortest and poorest quality articles whch need the greatest love and attention. Just click on the number to see a list of those articles ((example). Browsing through them reveals pages like United Nations Centre for Urgent Environmental Assistance which have no sources in them at all. These are the things that people get motivation from when they find topics that interest them and an appreciate that they can improve the encyclopaedia. That's a really motivating feeling.

Finally, if you are organising an editathon, my general advice would be as follows:

• As the organiser, you really need to register for an account well beforehand, and ensure it's autoconfirmed. (I'm really surprised you're asking this as an IP user.)
• To help you in planning, you might like to work through: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training/editathons
• Consider asking all attendees to register for an account BEFOREHAND (not on the day).
• Create a page here to promote the event, and add it to the editathon events calendar (which not everyone nowadays seems to do, sadly). Use this to explain the event, encourage people to sign up if they're attending, list suggested articles to work on , plus a section on otucomes and achievements.
• If you don't have a friendly admin to hand on the day to create new accounts, you may wish to seek temporary Misplaced Pages:Event coordinator rights. (At WP:PERM you'll should give details of the event, date, and a link to confirm the publicised event.)
• Get a nice big blackboard and get everyone to write down their usernames, or have a signing in book. This lets you do follow-ups afterwards to help and encourage those who might be struggling after your event. Use the blackboard to clearly display the WiFi password.
• If you have people running introductory talks on how to edit, make sure there's a quite space available for actual editing, or the sound overlap can be a bit distracting.
• Give every attendee a handout on the day (showing WiFi password!), containing some basic help and advice, and some contact details. See User:Nick Moyes/editathon/handout1 for one example.
• Give them free drinks and biscuits, assuming the UN event budget runs to that!
• Are there enough laptops/computers for editing? Does the wifi reach everywhere? Do you need wifi extenders?
• After the event, check all edits of the attendees and update your events page to summarise what was achieved. Send them a 'thank you message, pointing them to the WP:TH or elsewhere for further help.

I hope some of this helps. I have put some further suggestions down here. Let us know how you get on. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi

Is there any way I can apply auto confirmed user protection to my user page? James The Bond 007 (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi James The Bond 007. Only an administrator can protect a page. You can request that your user page be protected at WP:RPP, but pages are protected only to stop cases of serious disruption and this doesn't seem to be an issue with your user page. Perhaps DESiegel can help you because he seems to have "adopted" you and is trying to help you learn how to edit Misplaced Pages; he's also an administrator so can protect the page if he thinks it's needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:04, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

In addition to what Marchjuly said, there's an edit filter that prevents IPs and non-autoconfirmed users from editing others' user pages. This means that user pages are effectively semi-protected by default. You don't have to worry about new users vandalizing your page. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 14:11, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

How to create a valid account

I want to create a page on an account termed Jean-François JFMA-1938. I'm unsuccessful when I click on that link. Why and how, Sincerely15:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)Jean-François JFMA Moreau-1938 (talk)

Helldo, Jean-François JFMA Moreau-1938, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have successfully created your account, and you can edit any existing article in the encyclopaedia: there is no connection whatever between the name of an account and any of the articles or other pages that that account happens to edit. As a brand new account, you are not able to create new encyclopaedia articles: creating new articles is one of the most difficult tasks in editing Misplaced Pages, and editors who attempt to do so before they have learnt how Misplaced Pages works usually have a very frustrating time. I always advise new users to spend a few weeks or months adding value to Misplaced Pages by improving some of our six million existing articles, before they try that difficult tasks.

When you are ready to try creating a new encyclopaedia article, I strongly advise you to start by reading your first article for how to proceed. You may notice that I have been deliberately using the phrase "encyclopaedia article" repeatedly: my experience suggests that people who come here wanting to "create a page" usually don't understand the purposes and principles of Misplaced Pages. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory or social media. All articles should be neutrally-written summaries of information published in reliable sources. Promotion of any kind is not permitted, and nor is original research, or any information which has not already been published in a reliable source.

If what you are intending to do is to write an article about yourself, then please read WP:autobiography for why that is a very very bad idea. But if you are here to help us make our encyclopaedia even better, then welcome! --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources

I want to edit, update and correct information on my brother's page (https://en.wikipedia.org/JellyRoll). For example, the birthday listed on his page is incorrect. He was not born in 1986, but in 1984. Being family, I know this to be true, but I need to provide a source and citation to verify the information is reliable. Also, I want to update info about his early life (childhood, family, education, etc.), as well as updating info about his personal life today.

"This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources".

My problem, How and What can I use as reliable sources of documentation to support/verify the biographical info of a living person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthCersei (talk • contribs) 16:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Reliable sources, and also WP:Conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Wolf

Hello:

The Talk Page for this article has been vandalised. I have tried to revert this but am getting several error messages that I cannot figure out.

Many thanks,

16:49, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done ~~ OxonAlex - talk 16:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Ponni Concessao

Hi fellow wikipedians a few days back i created a page with proper content & reliable sources ( https://en.wikipedia.org/Ponni_Concessao ) before a while ago it got deleted by User:Nnadigoodluck . can anyone there figure it out & tell me why it got deleted because the content i provide adhere to the guidelines of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velanatti (talk • contribs) 17:01, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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