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Ta bu shi da yu's userpage

• This conversation is in reference to HighInBC 03:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"If you are really Ta bu shi da yu, then please log in before you edit your user page. Otherwise, your edits could be mistaken as vandalism and removed. Thank you." Don't you mean "mistaken for vandalism"? anyway, that page looked so desolately empty, I had to put something there. Please understand. I'm sure Ta bu shi da yu would. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.19.73.110 (talk) 02:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

"mistaken as vandalism" is valid grammar. Please don't edit other peoples userpages, it is considered rude. HighInBC 03:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Illegal activities

Misplaced Pages is not a place to brag about illegal activities- as you should know, such behaviour is highly inappropriate. Your userbox about engaging in illegal activities has been removed. Please exercise better judgement in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.19.73.110 (talk) 00:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

While I appreciate your concern TC, I am not bragging about anything. I assume you are refering to my userbox saying that I enjoy cannabis? Which policy is this violating? I put it there with the intention of letting other editors know my personal feelings so that they could better detect unintentional bias in my editing. Sort of a full disclosure kinda thing. As for the illegality of the subject, that depends on where you live. I am allowed to consume cannabis for medical purposes, and am not violating Canadian law by doing so. HighInBC 00:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If there is Libel in a comment What Should I DO?

I am having a very difficult time here. user timecop stated something as fact that he knows to be false. First he linked to an old resume and said that it proved that I hadn't held a job for more than one year. After requesting to delete the statement (which the resume itself disproves) the link to the resume was deleted by an admin, but the libelous statement remains. Regardless of whether you all believe that I am notable in my field, I do have a lawyer and she advised me to warn the user, the moderators, and the admins of the crime and of my intention to sue to remedy the situation. She also told me that if I let it slide it is an indirect way of me admitting said lie.

Because of the coverage on Digg and possible other news sources and blogs, I cannot have such a outrageous and easily disproved statement whose sole intention is to defame me remain for one more minute as with each hour more people read it!

This is despite the fact that a resume that statement has Nothing to do with my blogging career since the resume ends at 2000 and I didnt start blogging until 8/2001.

this is the discussion thread in question

this is the discussion i have had with the user

this is the discussions i've had on the Admin page

i have done everything i can to have this matter solved without legal action.

i would prefer not to sue anyone, but if it remains up there any longer you are forcing me to. my hands are tied. please solve this very easily fixed problem or explain how you can allow boldface libel up on a page exposing yourself to legal action, and allow a user to keep his defamatory statement up there knowing that he is in violation of the law and (i would assume) the policies of this fine website. - Tony Pierce 70.219.47.146 04:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to deal with this user, do so outside of wikipedia, you can use the E-mail this user link at the side of the users page. Legal threats on Misplaced Pages will result on blocking. Our policy regarding legal threats is at Misplaced Pages:No_legal_threats. HighInBC 04:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that Admins allow libelous statements on public discussion boards that are indirectly linked by Digg, and the only way I can get it removed is to email the user that wouldn't even remove the link to my resume? - TP 70.219.47.146 04:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make legal threats then you have to contact the user outside wikipedia. Which statement specifically do you have trouble with, you have not said? This users has said things about me that aren't true, I would not take it personally. HighInBC 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I do not want to make legal threats, I just want this statement deleted immediately and have been told by my lawyer that I have to let the user know that I am willing to go to court over it.

Here is the statement: "Self-proclaimed 'blogfather', never held a job for more than a year and never achieved anything except a passing reference for some of his blog-related activities."

First of all, I have never called myself the Blog Father, that is a term that others have used about me, including the user who initially posted my entry on Misplaced Pages. It is a term that I believe was first, and more accurately used as a nickname for Glenn Reynolds, whose politics I am completely against, but is in my eyes, the Blog Father. That is not the libel, it's just a sloppy and false.

The Libel is "never held a job for more than a year..." Because timecop has read my resume, and because I asked him to re-read the resume he knows that of course I have held a job for more than a year. Because of Digg and other webpages that are linking to that AfD, people in my field of whom I might have employment with in the future might take timecop's lie as fact. Because there are two lies in one sentence and both lies are meant to defame me, and timecop, after being notified that they are lies, never provided evidence otherwise, he is in a way admitting that he knows he's spreading lies every time someone reads that thread. It is against the law and it need to be removed immediately. By the way I truly appreciate this discussion - TP 70.219.47.146 04:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

And have you tried to remove the text? Oh wait I see it is protected from new users. Let me look into this. HighInBC 04:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry it took a while, never dealt with this before, WP:LIBEL says:

If you believe that you are the subject of a libellous statement on Misplaced Pages, please:

• E-mail the info team with details of the article and error.

That would be your best bet. HighInBC 04:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

My good man. As you can see from the links I have provided above, I have written about this several times to several different people. If you are an admin, and you have the ability to delete that one sentence, please do me this favor and delete it. I have written the Admin board and someone asked a follow-up having nothing to do with the topic, it has been 24 hours now and no note has been added, no nothing. I do not see the benefit of Misplaced Pages exposing themselves to legal action by keeping something in that discussion that is so easily proved wrong. I am all in favor of debate, and if my entry goes away fine, but I cannot have a libelous statement like that floating around for one more day. If you can guarantee me that I will get a response back from the "Info Team" in an hour, when odds are you or another Admin can delete that one sentence in less than a minute, then I will write to the Info Team.

I say this in all respect and out of complete frustration. My life will be fine if my page is not on Misplaced Pages, but if someone in the online community gets the impression that I cannot hold a job for more than a year and that prevents me from getting work in the future... well it's just not fair and it could be easily prevented with one edit. timecop can say whatever he wants about me and my qualifications on Misplaced Pages but he cant spread lies that he knows are not true. please delete the libel. please. - TP 70.219.47.146 04:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but if they don't do anything at that e-mail address then I cannot help you, that is our legal contact. I do not know enough about the situation to do anything. HighInBC 04:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The issue is not if they can help me, it's when. Every hour that it stays up there someone is capable of reading it. And yes you do know enough about the situation, I just explained it to you and provided several links. One final question then, are there any other Admins who I can talk with, or a phone number or anyone else other than a generic email address with no specific name attatched to it? Is there a night-time Admin who could possibly delete that one sentence tonight? - TP 70.219.47.146 05:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If you really want you can post about this at WP:AN/I, I am not experienced in any legal matters. HighInBC 05:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much I will go there. And if it occurs to you that the right thing to do is to delete the sentence we just discussed, and if you feel that you are one of the people who could delete it, I would appreciate it. Happy Holidays - TP 70.219.47.146 05:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the help. I might be up in BC next month to liveblog the recording of Matt Good's next album. If you're a fan of his or even if you're not, I'm sure he would be interested in meeting a Misplaced Pages Admin since he's a serious web geek.

If you are a fan, feel free to email me at busblog @ gmail - TP 70.219.47.146 06:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but I mostly listen to music by dead people. HighInBC 17:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope when Matt Good dies, you take the time to listen to his music. I really like it.  :) --Yamla 18:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

lol, I do not actually wait for the artist to die. I have found that I tend to like music from the past. Exceptions include Bob Dylan, Leon Redbone(I think he is still alive), Clinton Fearon ect... HighInBC 18:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks Ryan for the barnstar! I have appreciated your well-timed words of encouragement. Chondrite 07:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for adding the {{indefblockeduser}} template to Timecop's pages. Silly forgetful EVula... EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I have also warned the user that called you a racist, that accusations not founded by fact with evidence can be seen as very uncivil. Looking at that users contribution history and userpage it is clear that that user is more upset at the block itself than your alleged motives. HighInBC 18:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:HighInBC/Potentially_not_notable_articles

Might want to kill this one too. -Patstuart 18:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, fergot that one. HighInBC 18:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: AGF

Comments such as 'I'm sure being gay and having a sense of humor didn't help either' are unhelpful and fail to assume good faith. You have been talked to about assuming good faith before. Please provide evidence when insinuating an admin is bigoted or is will be construed as a personal attack. If you cannot find evidence then keep it to yourself for the sake of civility, which is not optional here. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It always tickles me when an admin lectures me on a guideline without actually reading (or reflecting upon) said guideline.

• WP:AGF has to do with article edits, as was intended to protect edits from bad faith for the sake of the project as a whole.

• WP:AGF -- Consider using talk pages to explain yourself, and give others the opportunity to do the same.

I was doing that until I discovered a reaching accusation on my talk page.

• You have been talked to about assuming good faith before.

Irrelevant, and an attempt to marginalize. (Also known as a personal attack.)

• Please provide evidence when insinuating an admin is bigoted

Can you provide evidence that would point to a particular administrator? If not, then you can't exactly accuse me of making a personal attack. What, we're not allowed to be critical of the system? A certain date in time comes to mind. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 22:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to this on you talkpage. HighInBC 22:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• is will be construed as a personal attack.

So you're allowed to constue my impersonal and indirect words as a personal attack, but I'm not allowed to construe the case against Timecop as anything but an act of justice as pure as the Virgin Mary? OK, I see. I better shut up then. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 22:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to this on you talkpage. HighInBC 22:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• You were insinuating that at least one admin, if not more were being bigoted towards gay people.

It's unfortunate that you've decided to spin what I said, and yes, I mean to say 'spin' because the meaning is severely shifted when you cut and paste selective parts of a single sentence. The complete sentence was, "I'm sure being gay and having a sense of humor didn't help either." Is there such thing as a bigot against funny people? No, that's just absurd - and it was equally absurd for me to suggest that him being sarcastic and silly was a real reason for his indef ban.

So what you're really accusing me of is attacking one or more admins of hating "funny gay people." I guess you're trying to be funny as well. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Suffice it to say I respectfully disagree and my position remains the same. HighInBC 23:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, my position on hyperbole remains the same. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary: I will spell it out. Please hold yourself to the same civility standards as you expect of others, otherwise I'll happly use "I'll spell it out" in all of my edit summaries. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You were complaining I has used the term Personal attack when I was meaning to refer to a more general violation of WP:CIVILITY. I think you are a very intelligent person, and I saw you were using this point to argue against my position. So I clarified it, in other words I spelled it out. If you can explain how this is uncivil I will certainly listen. HighInBC 23:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have the patience to spell it out for you. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

lol, thanks, I needed a laugh. Hey, no hard feelings, this is about policy, not about you as a person. HighInBC 23:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem; points taken. Feel free to clean your talk page of this conversation. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Where is the civility problem? Yaf has changed an article title without representative consensus and refused to rebut or even acknowledge the logical thought process for fixing the article. If there was at least a dialog, I wouldn't have to be so stern. I'm perfectly easy to work with if people with USE THE TALK PAGE as opposed to making edits without explaination. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 02:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If my "Guns/Fireworks" example would be disruptive to Misplaced Pages, then please address Yaf's edits to the article started as "Gun Control," and is linked from the subsection "Gun Control" from the dominant article "Gun Politics in the United States." Just look at the talk page there. I beg of you. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 02:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, by 'there' I mean Talk:Gun_(Firearm)_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Suggested_changes_to_this_page --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 02:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

...and implore you to read to the bottom of the page. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 02:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

...and please don't stop reading to address civilitiy issues. I lost my patience a long time ago, I realize that. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 02:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Just take a good look at HighInBC's life. He has his biography there as plain as day for you to read. Now compare it to your life, look at why his attitude is the way it is, the underlying personal reasons for it, and then realize that you don't want any part of those deeper problems. Moderators troll. Welcome to Sikipedia. (SchoolingU 18:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC))