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| * '''Merge and Redirect''' Well I guess you guys are right about the redirect, at least given the current state of the article (though that is not the measure of notability) and ] is a fair target. ] does in fact devote several pages (pp. 101-106) of '']'' to the question of why Tolkien should have bothered to create Gil-Galad, answering that he lends depth, hints at elvish language, and creates a pleasurable effect through sound that Tolkien had a lot of theory about (like the sound of "cellar door" (p. 104), if you've seen the '']'' biopic). In short, Gil-Galad is not unimportant as a key to Tolkien's thought. The article would have been better if something of this had been discussed and reliably cited. I am not sure that Noldor is a good place for that discussion, which might belong in ], if a man's personal pleasures can be so called. I also suspect that better scholars than me would readily find other reliable sources on Gil-Galad (after all, nobody else noticed Shippey...) I think we are deleting in great haste, and that we may well have cause to repent of much of it in due time. ] (]) 09:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
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In universe Gil-galad is of course very impoortant, the last High King of the Elves and the leader of the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. The problem is that Tolkien did not write books about that Last Allicance, but about events 3000 years later. The article comes close to quoting all the LotR texts that mention Gil-galad. This is not enough to show notability, and the extensive third party sources are not there. The upcomming LotR TV show may come to show Gil-galad enough to make him notable, but until that day he is not notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Elrond. The article is sourced to primary sources and an 'essay' that contains nothing but in-universe information and a brief section on how Christopher Tolkien was in a rush when compiling the Silmarillion. Consequently, it fails WP:GNG Devonian Wombat (talk) 00:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:4C0E:C3EB:4371:B0AF (talk) 04:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Noldor#Second and Third Ages. I can find some Google scholar hits for Gil-galad, but nothing substantial enough to build an article out of. Noldor#Second and Third Ages describes the basics about Gil-galad: High King of the Elves, who died fighting Sauron at the end of the Second Age. Hog Farm (talk) 04:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Noldor#Second and Third Ages per Hog Farm. Goustien (talk) 06:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Noldor#Second and Third Ages I cannot find anything other than a handful of plot summaries. ―Susmuffin 11:19, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect, Per above , redirect to Noldor#Second and Third Ages. Alex-h (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect Well I guess you guys are right about the redirect, at least given the current state of the article (though that is not the measure of notability) and Noldor is a fair target. Tom Shippey does in fact devote several pages (pp. 101-106) of The Road to Middle-Earth to the question of why Tolkien should have bothered to create Gil-Galad, answering that he lends depth, hints at elvish language, and creates a pleasurable effect through sound that Tolkien had a lot of theory about (like the sound of "cellar door" (p. 104), if you've seen the Tolkien biopic). In short, Gil-Galad is not unimportant as a key to Tolkien's thought. The article would have been better if something of this had been discussed and reliably cited. I am not sure that Noldor is a good place for that discussion, which might belong in J. R. R. Tolkien's influences, if a man's personal pleasures can be so called. I also suspect that better scholars than me would readily find other reliable sources on Gil-Galad (after all, nobody else noticed Shippey...) I think we are deleting in great haste, and that we may well have cause to repent of much of it in due time. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)