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Million Award: Thanks for your work in this important article

		The Million Award
		For your contributions to bring Schutzstaffel (estimated annual readership: 1,700,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Misplaced Pages's readers! — Diannaa (talk) 19:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Award presented for your high-caliber editing and additions to numerous articles relating to World War II and Nazi Germany with good WP:RS citations in an area of history where neutrality and careful research are essential. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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	Wishing you a happy holiday season! Times flies and 2018 is around the corner. Thank you for your contributions. ~ K.e.coffman (talk) 00:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

For removing the beam

WikiChevrons

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		Obenritter, as a new year begins, I hereby award you the WikiChevrons, for all your hard work and careful research in the area of history related to Nazi Germany and World War II; done in an objective way and using good WP:RS sources. Thank you. Kierzek (talk) 22:37, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Advice

Hello, a few days ago you provided me some guidance regarding bibliographies and I was hoping I could ask you a question about another one. I was looking at History_of_the_United_States_(1789–1849)#Further_reading and noticed some Amazon.com links with some books usually with the comment text search and excerpt. I read that links to free sources such as Google Books / archive.com are fine, but I don't believe Amazon links are appropriate but wasn't certain so I wanted to ask someone with more experience.

Thanks for any guidance you can provide. Hope your day is going well Timothy (talk) 20:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@Timothy.blue: Generally speaking, Amazon book previews use a Kindle style version lacking page numbers. As a result, one cannot accurately cite the source, which in my opinion, makes it a useless citation. Similarly, for books online that do not feature the page numbers, I would advise against using them as well. Many of the Google books that are searchable contain the page numbers and the copyright information is discoverable on the page. You can also ensure you have the right version (copyright info) by checking ISBNs, OCLCs, and/or ASIN numbers on this page: WORLDCAT Hope that helps. --Obenritter (talk) 20:57, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

efn fix

Hi Obenritter! I found a way to fix the efn-error: Perseus has "stable identifiers" in the right column, you just have to choose a URL without "=" to avoid the error in the efn-template. –Austronesier (talk) 08:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Austronesier:--thanks a lot. I was entirely lost as to what the cause was otherwise. --Obenritter (talk) 15:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Most welcome, and always a pleasure! –Austronesier (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Bandenbekämpfung‎

Thank you for letting me know: . I'm good with your choice. In any case, it would be good to bring the article to GA sometime in the future. Would you be interested in working on the page together? --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@K.e.coffman: Sure. Let me know what you need from me, since you'll be point as its creator.--Obenritter (talk) 04:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I think you guys working together is a good idea and I look forward to seeing the finished work. By the way, happy new year to each of you and I hope it’s a better year for all of us. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 13:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kierzek: Amen to all that.--Obenritter (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

• The structure could use some work--I'm thinking that WWII could use multiple subsections. I've started with Directive 46; this could perhaps be turned into "Origins" or similar. The article could also include some notable operations / how they were organised etc, as well as expansion of the doctrine to Western Europe. I have this book, but it's been a difficult read, both in terms of its style and its contents, some of which is literally blood curling:

Blood, Phillip W. (2006). Hitler's Bandit Hunters: The SS and the Nazi Occupation of Europe. Potomac Books. ISBN 978-1597970211. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

That would be a good resource. At the moment, I'm trying to wrap up revisions to the Joachim Peiper article, so cannot start on this immediately. Perhaps in a week's time? In any case, there's no need to wait for me as I don't own the article :). --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

@K.e.coffman: While I have that Blood work (fitting last name for that book), I read it some years back and recall that much like Martin Gilbert's work on the Holocaust, it's awful to trudge through for the level of detail with regards to atrocities. My library is fairly extensive as you know, but unfortunately I have real-world commitments as well, which will limit the amount of time I can dedicate to this. Over the past year or two, I have bolstered the content of the page when free time or incidental reading brought this subject to the fore, but little to none of that editing was about the Bandit Operations from an organizational perspective. It's not in my bailiwick to delve deep into the structure of the Nazi criminal enterprise, as the fan boys out there make sure those kinds of details are exhaustively displayed. This Unit was subordinated to that unit and xx number of "brave" fighters from Unit XX received Knight's Crosses yada yada yada. Actually, I want to see all of that nonsense removed from the pages, as Nazi regalia of that disposition within these articles often glorifies their exploits instead of highlighting their criminality. You've done a lot of work in your time editing here to expose and bring correctives to that trend, so let's be careful there. In terms of "Origins" this went back further than Directive 46, which I carefully point out early in the article, using Blood's work, among others. If you find information on specific units, focus on where they operated and roughly how many innocent people they murdered. That's where the focus needs to remain. The rest of the content is probably just about ready for review, provided @Kierzek: can get in there and properly edit out any unnecessary verbosity resultant from my academic writing style.--Obenritter (talk) 03:34, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me. Although, I don’t have much time for Misplaced Pages these days, I will make time for this. In briefly looking at the article, I believe the origins section should be parred down; edits for concision. I also believe focus on their operations in World War II and murder ops, could use some more expansion. I don’t have Blood’s book, but I know you both do. So some initial thoughts. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 14:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Germanic peoples

Some work has started again, though we now once again are stuck. User:Krakkos has created a new RFC, but at first sight I did not see you being pinged. Can we drag you in again? FWIW I have also made a new proposal which if nothing else will at least clarify the real disagreements. --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@Andrew Lancaster:@Krakkos: Given the offshoots and utter confusion as of late, I have lost ALL interest. Some of the behavior exhibited by Krakkos in creating offshoot articles is a result of your intransigence about nearly every edit he makes. To me, it appears as though he is attempting to retain some of the original article's information by creating these ancillary pages—particularly in response to your increasingly deletionist mentality as regards the main Germanic peoples page.