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:<small>''crossposted from ]''</small>Hi. If you would like to discuss the use of Wikimedia resources in your classroom, please feel free to contact us at info AT wikimedia.org -- however, in the future, please don't harangue our local project administrators for doing their job. Thanks for understanding, and I look forward to any further discussion by email. ] 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC) :<small>''crossposted from ]''</small>Hi. If you would like to discuss the use of Wikimedia resources in your classroom, please feel free to contact us at info AT wikimedia.org -- however, in the future, please don't harangue our local project administrators for doing their job. Thanks for understanding, and I look forward to any further discussion by email. ] 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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that several accounts that were blocked after
for spamming, were merely accounts for students for a professor showing them how to edit Misplaced Pages. He is requesting that the accounts are unblocked, so I just thought I'd bring this here to see if that sounds alright. <font color="DarkGreen">]</font><sup>]</sup> 21:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:What is the proof that the person you are in communication with is, indeed, a professor? Have they emailed you from a school email address? ]|] 21:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::I've seen some similar cases, including one where clearly a class of students were all creating usernames and articles at a professor's instructions, all of which then had to be tagged and deleted. Apparently that professor's instructions also included ignoring warning messages. Even if this professor is real, it appears that he believes that (a) he is free to use Misplaced Pages as scratch paper for his class work, and (b) he somehow has the right to dictate policy. IMO he is entitled to ''demand'' absolutely nothing. ] 22:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh yes, I'm ignoring the harsh tone of his note of course; I'm just seeing if people think something should be done, or whether to ask that the students simply create new accounts. <font color="DarkGreen">]</font><sup>]</sup> 22:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

:::The account blocks where the result of clear spamming. Whether the spammers were students or not is beside the point. I don't see where the professor ever explains why they did it or why the accounts should be unblocked. I do note that the tone of the note is uncivil. -] · ] · 22:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::::Cranky, isn't he? Those definitely look like spamming, so I'd say good blocks unless he comes up with a better reasoning than "this was unjust so fix it" (not to mention the impolite comment about Cowman109's username). This professor seems to be quite interested in Misplaced Pages, judging from the for one of his classes; note the 'paper assignment' involved. ] <small>]</small> 22:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::"''A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger''". Maybe we could just eat crow and tell the guy we're sorry, it won't happen again, but you'll need to create new accounts, and make abundantly clear on the user page what's going on, and no external linking. But from now on, remember it's a private encyclopedia, and we have every right to ban you own sight for any reason we choose, so please be careful with your tone. Sometimes the humble road is the better one. ]<sup>]|]</sup> 22:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::Why would we want to say that if it's not true? If they behave in the same manner, the same action will still be performed. ]|] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Also, if this is just for practice and educational purposes, he could teach them to link to any site (yahoo.com, for example). Why is it so important for them to be able to add ''his'' site to a Misplaced Pages article? That part sounds a little suspicious. ] 22:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

:I've to this. Cowman109, you should of course feel free to unblock those accounts if you think that they are likely to make helpful contributions to Misplaced Pages, but my suspicion is that taking no action here is probably better. ] 22:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

:I love how somebody called ] is complaining about somebody using a "ridiculous pseudonym". ]|] 23:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, perhaps someone should unblock the student accounts, and then block their professor for incivility. :) ] 23:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I added unsigned2 as he didn't bother to sign his post. I am strongly considering posting a link to NPA on his talk page for his " hidding behind this ridiculous pseudonym" post on Cowman's page. If the individual owners of the accounts wish to be unblocked, they should post {{tl|unblock}} on their pages and be reviewed. I see no reason why we should go out-of-process to satisfy Damis, who cannot even be bothered to be civil. One puppy's opinion. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

::::I think someone should point this person to one of the places that you can set up a wiki for free. (wikia.com?) That would likely suit his needs better then a sandbox or some-such. ---] <sup>(]/])</sup> 00:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

:One of his stated course objectives is to understand "the mechanisms and ideas that make this revolution possible". One of those mechanisms for Misplaced Pages is the ability to block users who violate policies against things like spamming. It might be pointed out to him that when you attempt a "real world" experiment, the results you get are the results you get. His students learned that if a bunch of accounts add the same external link to Misplaced Pages, you get blocked. It's still data. I'm only being half-snarky here -- he's not being very intellectually rigorous. As ] notes, if he wants a ''controlled'' experiment/experience he should set up his own wiki. If he wants a real world one, he should accept the results. ] 01:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
::May I suggest you post that observation on his talk page, Dina? ]<sup>]</sup> 01:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


In short: This isn't your classroom and we are not your students.

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Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Damis, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  KillerChihuahua 01:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

Hi, there! Just for clarification, administrators cannot delete accounts; only a developer could perform such an action and as far as my memory serves I do not believe that has been done in any cases. As for blacklisting the website, I'm not sure what you mean. If it is no longer possible to add that link to Misplaced Pages, it would have been blacklisted by an administrator on the m:Spam blacklist on Meta. I am not an administrator there, so it would have been someone else who did that. As to the blocks, I acted upon a concern brought up on the administrator's noticeboard visible here, where several other users agreed that the use of the links on the talk pages classified as spam, though of course I was not aware of the details at the time. Are any of the accounts still in use? I'll leave a note on the administrator's noticeboard to see about unblocking them if it is requested. Thanks for telling me of this! Cowman109 21:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

crossposted from User talk:Cowman109Hi. If you would like to discuss the use of Wikimedia resources in your classroom, please feel free to contact us at info AT wikimedia.org -- however, in the future, please don't harangue our local project administrators for doing their job. Thanks for understanding, and I look forward to any further discussion by email. Jkelly 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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It was recently brought to my attention that several accounts that were blocked after being reported here for spamming, were merely accounts for students for a professor showing them how to edit Misplaced Pages. He is requesting that the accounts are unblocked, so I just thought I'd bring this here to see if that sounds alright. Cowman109 21:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

What is the proof that the person you are in communication with is, indeed, a professor? Have they emailed you from a school email address? User:Zoe|(talk) 21:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I've seen some similar cases, including one where clearly a class of students were all creating usernames and articles at a professor's instructions, all of which then had to be tagged and deleted. Apparently that professor's instructions also included ignoring warning messages. Even if this professor is real, it appears that he believes that (a) he is free to use Misplaced Pages as scratch paper for his class work, and (b) he somehow has the right to dictate policy. IMO he is entitled to demand absolutely nothing. Fan-1967 22:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh yes, I'm ignoring the harsh tone of his note of course; I'm just seeing if people think something should be done, or whether to ask that the students simply create new accounts. Cowman109 22:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The account blocks where the result of clear spamming. Whether the spammers were students or not is beside the point. I don't see where the professor ever explains why they did it or why the accounts should be unblocked. I do note that the tone of the note is uncivil. -Will Beback · † · 22:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Cranky, isn't he? Those definitely look like spamming, so I'd say good blocks unless he comes up with a better reasoning than "this was unjust so fix it" (not to mention the impolite comment about Cowman109's username). This professor seems to be quite interested in Misplaced Pages, judging from the course outline for one of his classes; note the 'paper assignment' involved. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
"A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger". Maybe we could just eat crow and tell the guy we're sorry, it won't happen again, but you'll need to create new accounts, and make abundantly clear on the user page what's going on, and no external linking. But from now on, remember it's a private encyclopedia, and we have every right to ban you own sight for any reason we choose, so please be careful with your tone. Sometimes the humble road is the better one. Patstuart 22:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Why would we want to say that if it's not true? If they behave in the same manner, the same action will still be performed. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, if this is just for practice and educational purposes, he could teach them to link to any site (yahoo.com, for example). Why is it so important for them to be able to add his site to a Misplaced Pages article? That part sounds a little suspicious. Fan-1967 22:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I've responded to this. Cowman109, you should of course feel free to unblock those accounts if you think that they are likely to make helpful contributions to Misplaced Pages, but my suspicion is that taking no action here is probably better. Jkelly 22:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I love how somebody called User:Damis is complaining about somebody using a "ridiculous pseudonym". User:Zoe|(talk) 23:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps someone should unblock the student accounts, and then block their professor for incivility. :) Newyorkbrad 23:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I added unsigned2 as he didn't bother to sign his post. I am strongly considering posting a link to NPA on his talk page for his " hidding behind this ridiculous pseudonym" post on Cowman's page. If the individual owners of the accounts wish to be unblocked, they should post {{unblock}} on their pages and be reviewed. I see no reason why we should go out-of-process to satisfy Damis, who cannot even be bothered to be civil. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua 00:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I think someone should point this person to one of the places that you can set up a wiki for free. (wikia.com?) That would likely suit his needs better then a sandbox or some-such. ---J.S 00:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
One of his stated course objectives is to understand "the mechanisms and ideas that make this revolution possible". One of those mechanisms for Misplaced Pages is the ability to block users who violate policies against things like spamming. It might be pointed out to him that when you attempt a "real world" experiment, the results you get are the results you get. His students learned that if a bunch of accounts add the same external link to Misplaced Pages, you get blocked. It's still data. I'm only being half-snarky here -- he's not being very intellectually rigorous. As J.S notes, if he wants a controlled experiment/experience he should set up his own wiki. If he wants a real world one, he should accept the results. Dina 01:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
May I suggest you post that observation on his talk page, Dina? KillerChihuahua 01:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC) 


  In short: This isn't your classroom and we are not your students.