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Tiraspol Times

I think you misunderstand William there: The letter and my post he quoted state that the newspaper is indeed available at certain places, but it's not for sale (evaluation copies, I guess). The guys I asked said that they didn't see it available for sale in public. I say, let's wait for Mark's reply/reaction to my proposal before jumping to conclusions. --Illythr 21:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Why you didn't ask your friends to check directly on the places indicated in the e-mail you received? Anyhow Mauco misquoted you, jumping at the conclusion that hard copy existence of Tiraspol Times is an established fact beyond question, using your name as a proof.--MariusM 21:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I replied to you over there.

The letter states that TT does indeed exist in printed copies. Just not everywhere and not for sale yet. I think it's that English word "available" that may be (and probably was) interpreted in several ways. --Illythr 21:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Proper place for this discussion - Talk:Transnistria.--MariusM 09:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Way

ahead of you. Check the talk page :) - Francis Tyers · 23:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi Marius,

Thanks for your note. I appreciate the time it took you to write it. I will look into the situation tomorrow, but it is too late here to do anything effective tonight. I would ask that you refrain from making major edits on those articles until this mess can be unravelled. Please do not bother reverting Mauco's additions, as whatever the problem is, quickly reverting it won't solve the problem. I promise to look into the situation more tomorrow, and thanks again for your note. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 04:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Da, sunt de acord. Drept sa-ti zic, nu stiam nici eu sa fi existat asa ceva. Dar el cum e insistent, tot zicea ca a citit el ca o republica a fost declarata pentru cateva zile la Odesa. Oricum, daca vei propune stergerea, eu te sustin. Dapiks 06:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Please contibute

to Transnistria#Propaganda_and_disinformation. Let`s add all those links to The Economist, Ziua, etc. Let`s turn this campaign against them. Mauco is gonna loose his job, Mauco is gonna loose his job, Mauco is gonna loose his job... hahah haha Greier 12:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You are so evil! Mauco has a familly to feed, think at this!--MariusM 12:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Markstreet and Mauco

Was there ever a ip check on these users? This reply of Street is surprisingly simmilar to how Mauco reverted and argued that the version to which he reverted to is the one "agreed on". Also, I find certain talk patterns in Street, which I also noticed in Mauco... It`s clear (at least for me) that Mauco works for ICDISS, and considering that Street works for TiraspolTimes (itself a ICDISS site), than I think all chances are Street and Mauco are the same person... What do you think? Greier 13:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Better discuss through e-mails (check it). You can ask a WP:RCU, however, this check is done in only some limited situations (see instructions), and only for recent edits.--MariusM 13:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know about checkuser. Checkuser policy allows users to willingly allow for their IPs ot be checked, as to clarify any doubts on the user. I asked Mauco many times to allow a check of his IP with that of all of those anons popping from nowhere to edit Trns-related articles, but he declined... I doubt that if I ask Street the same thing, he will consent... Greier 13:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria

Nu a fost intenţia mea să şterg acel pasaj. Eu am vrut să anulez o serie de schimbări haotice de către Markstreet şi Greier, şi se pare că partea cu şcolile s-a nimerit printre cele mai recente editări. Dar totuşi, posibil că ar fi mai bine să adaugi partea ceea la articolul Moldovan schools in Transnistria decât la cel principal. TSO1D 13:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Bine, am mai adăugat unele detalii, însă nu întreaga versiune originală. Cât despre referendum, acest eveniment a fost destul de important pentru Transnistria şi secţiunea doar conţine şase linii de text, deci eu nu sunt sigur cu tu vrei să schimbi acolo. TSO1D 14:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Salut Marius, can you please show me what the consensus intro was? Thanks, Khoikhoi 16:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. As for the terrorism thing, I don't feel as comfortable about changing that one because I'm not sure if a compromise has been reached yet (unlike the intro). How about "domestic violence"? Usually "terrorism" is a word we try to avoid on Misplaced Pages (see WP:WTA). Khoikhoi 16:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Marius, thanks for the link, but you didn't understand my comment. I also don't think we have ever talked about democracy in Transnistria before. You must be thinking of someone else. jamason 23:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

3RR

If you want 3RR enforced, put your request on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. As I told you at Wikipedia_talk:Romanian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Duble_standarde_la_Wikipedia, this is not something I do. - Jmabel | Talk 16:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I've now endorsed your request at 3RR. But, I'm sorry, I'm not the one to enforce it. I do so many different things here, and I don't want to set a precedent that I do this one as well. Once I wade in there, people are going to start expecting me to be involved in that activity. As it is, I have almost no time to write articles or work on translation, which is what I originally joined Misplaced Pages to do; I need to have some things here that I simply don't do. - Jmabel | Talk 16:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Marius, tare apreciez sprijinul dvs. Mulţumesc frumos. Biruitorul 20:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletionist?

You are badly mistaken, colleague. `'mikkanarxi 05:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

you need to read this

Every edit I have ever made has been reverted

The Transnistria page is pure Romanian/ Moldova Secret Service Prpoganda. As a major voice of Transnistria here I have not been allowed a single edit here nor has an other Transnistrian editor. Frankly. it is a sad when they will not allow the Transnistrian voice to have a single word on the main page. Currently It is pure lies and propganda. They agree things and then delete the parts of the agreement they don't like. The link to tiraspoltimes was voted on and is always removed . TSOID removed it again today. We have proven the Terrorism word is not true. But the Romanian Secret Service types just flaunt the rules and plough in their edits and insert Terrorism even though it is clearly not true. . The Independence Referendum is always deleted and the section is deliberately written in a highly confusing manner. The first day I arrived in Transnistria I was told be a senior person that The Moldovans treat the Transnistrians like animals and this Transnistrian page on Wiki is an example of the pure bombastic nature of the Moldovan/Romanian people here that refuse to allow the Transnistrians have a say on there own site. There is three views possible; ours, yours, and how things are. Here thr page is currentlly entirely yours. We want to turn it not to ours but to how things really are. This we are denied. Sadly for you we are Free and will remain free, we are in a position of strenght and this you cannot see. The current tactic is to strangle and starve the Transnistrian people into submission. Treat them like animlas like the Americans treated the indians in the west in the 1850s. When this fails. How can we ever meet in the middle. One place we can currently co-operate togather is here. So far I have not been allowed to insert one single work on the main page as it is defended the the Romanian Sectret Service types. Until there is mutual respect we can abandon hope, Surely it is in your interest to work together, to find common threads? Or am I dealing with pure hatred here ? No effort is ever made to reach compromise. Perhaps I am wasting my time trying. Maybe we are never meant to work together and have respect. Does anyone have any idea how to reach out to the other side. I have tried so many times. Currently you have me. I can leave it if you want. Have your honourless proaganda site and I can go...... and what then. ...Mark us street Dec4th 2006.

I would just note that the article had been locked for quite some time (for good reason) and there is not much point in changing it (especially the intro) once unlocked since you insist the PMR is an independent country, albeit unrecognized for the time being, moreover, needing protection by Russian peacekeepers on the border to protect them from the belicose Moldovans attempting to "starve them" into submission. I, nor most of the participants, have any desire to be drawn into an edit war. I have currently suggested a neutral intro on the Talk:Transnistria page that accurately and as simply as possible states the historical facts with no judgement on what they mean or interpretation of what the PMR should be considered. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ossetia

Marius, here is info about the Ossetian Opposition movement to pro-Russian regime in Tskhinvali, The Salvation Union of South Ossetia and also see Alternative Government of South Ossetia on South Ossetia article. Regards. Luis. Ldingley 15:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Marius, thank for your massage, i did read your article. There are striking similarities between two pro Russian separatist enclaves in Georgia and Moldova. Both separatist regions (including another one of Georgia, Abkhazia) are utterly militaristic and aggressive towards the other ethnic groups. This is a very hazardous for global stability, especially for the stability and territorial integrity of Russia herself. Best regards, Luis. p.s Do most Romanian believe of being descendents of the great Romans ? p.s.s I have great images/photos of Romanian civil war, if interested, I can email you the most interesting ones Ldingley 16:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cease-fire

From the block log:

• 05:55, December 9, 2006 Freakofnurture (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "William Mauco (contribs)" with an expiry time of 72 hours (edit-warring with MariusM on several articles for several weeks)
• 05:55, December 9, 2006 Freakofnurture (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "MariusM (contribs)" with an expiry time of 72 hours (edit-warring with William Mauco on several articles for several weeks)

—freak(talk) 06:08, Dec. 9, 2006 (UTC)

meta: please confirm

Could you please confirm your identity with the user m:User:MariusM in Meta? It is needed to confirm your vote on the page m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Siberian Misplaced Pages because of sockpuppetry issues. Thank you in advance. --Yms 15:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I confirm. I am the same person as metawiki user MariusM.--MariusM 20:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

In my case, someone else (not me) claimed to be "William Mauco" over there. It is cleared up now. - Mauco 17:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Banned users

This edit summary does not make sense: "read WP:BAN. Is not saying that edits made BEFORE the ban should be removed."
Question: How can a banned user make an edit AFTER his ban?
See also WP:3RR: Removing edits by banned users do not count against 3RR. However, restoring them, as you are now doing - twice so far - does count against 3RR. Do not edit war, please, but seek consensus first if you want to defend Greier's work. You may also want to see Greier's block log as well as his Talk page, so you understand these issues better and hopefully do not fall into the same behavior. - Mauco 17:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

There's also this from WP:BAN: "Users are generally expected to refrain from reinstating any edits made by banned users. Users that nonetheless reinstate such edits take responsibility for their content by so doing." You have now done so twice so far . - Mauco 17:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Mauco, you again didn't understand Misplaced Pages policy or knowingly make wrong comments about it. A banned user can edit after the ban evading the ban (like Bonny is doing sometimes). Greier was blocked after a fake 3RR report (he made 5 reverts in 10 days, didn't broke 3RR) and the block was extended to a ban, but this is an other discussion. Yes, I take responsability for reinstating Greier's edit done before the ban, is my right as a Misplaced Pages user. When you take out the paragraph you don't revert Greier, you revert me, and this is counting for 3RR. If you don't trust me, just try.--MariusM 17:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with you with this assessment, and I do believe that I have a pretty good grasp of how Misplaced Pages works. It is based on consensus and collaborative editing, something which Greier consistently failed to understand and which he is now perma-banned for. You are reinstoring his edits - again, without consensus or prior debate, just like he originally introduced them - and this is hardly acceptable. Not to me, but to Misplaced Pages, as per WP:BAN: "Users are generally expected to refrain from reinstating any edits made by banned users."

Your comment "just try" is perceived by me as a threat and overly uncivil. - Mauco 17:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

You have no right to talk about civility after you made edits like this.--MariusM 18:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that every editor has the right to ask for civility here. That includes me. As for the diff you post, you almost immediately received a polite apology afterwards even though every single editor on the page agreed with me that your original entry was out of place, out of line, and (in the words of one of the Romanians) amounted to propaganda. - Mauco 19:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Do not reinstate the edits of banned users. This goes against the policy at http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:BAN#Enforcement_by_reverting_edits .Firsfron of Ronchester 20:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

"source that in bookstores are only Russian-language books"

Er, the source only mentions libraries in Grigoriopol. I don't think that it is enough to cover the broad statement it is attached to. --Illythr 19:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)