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* {{u|Jlevi}} criticism contrasts previous comments: "Good going!", "Awesome work here." Bringing sources to ''Talk pages'' should be OK. Apologies for the "collapse" if it offended. When things happen like admin/editor JzG/Guy using "bizarre" DeSmogBlog and Guardian blogposts, I sometimes "stepped back" (disengaged). * {{u|Jlevi}} criticism contrasts previous comments: "Good going!", "Awesome work here." Bringing sources to ''Talk pages'' should be OK. Apologies for the "collapse" if it offended; noting 7 back/forth self-revert-indecision. When things happen like admin/editor JzG/Guy using "bizarre" DeSmogBlog and Guardian blogposts, I sometimes "stepped back" (disengaged).
* If Hob Gadling may "turn over a new leaf" after civility issues, this enforcement seems out of proportion. * If Hob Gadling may "turn over a new leaf" after civility issues, this enforcement seems out of proportion.
* Definition unsure; however, Bishonen and El_C seem "involved." (history available)
* {{u|Bishonen}}, Clarification: What defines "uninvolved" admin here?
* {{u|PaleoNeonate}}, My creating ], ], ], or ] while banned from "climate change broadly construed" seems doubtful. -- ] (]) 23:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC) * {{u|PaleoNeonate}}, My creating ], ], ], or ] while banned from "climate change broadly construed" seems doubtful. -- ] (]) 23:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)


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    Wikieditor19920

    User:Wikieditor19920 is reminded to focus on article content, not editor conduct, in content disputes. ~Awilley (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Wikieditor19920

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Zloyvolsheb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Wikieditor19920 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 14:15, 10 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    2. 20:08, 11 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    3. 20:12, 11 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    4. 20:25, 11 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    5. 20:28, 11 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    6. 20:42, 11 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Muboshgu.
    7. 17:28, 12 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb and Muboshgu.
    8. 19:15, 12 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    9. 19:28, 12 April 2020 Zloyvolsheb to Wikieditor19920: "You need to stop personalizing disagreements and focus on the content, not the contributor."
    10. 20:33, 12 April 2020 Accusation of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb.
    11. 21:13, 12 April 2020 Zloyvolsheb to Wikieditor19920: "I am going to once again ask you to tone it down. Next time you attack me for 'pushing POV' when the majority of editors here are opposed to what you propose I will report you."
    12. 21:42, 12 April 2020 Wikieditor19920: "If you don't want to be accused of POV pushing, don't make the talk page a forum for your personal evaluations.... This is blatantly non-compliant with WP:NPOV."
    13. 23:57, 12 April 2020 Yet more accusations of POV/bias against Zloyvolsheb and The Four Deuces – after two warnings at the same page, same day.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Wikieditor19920 blocked for disruptive editing at Talk:Ilhan Omar by Doug Weller on March 18.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I haven't been very involved with the Bernie Sanders article: in fact I made just three edits there before April 10. (Now four.) Specifically, I made a minor copy-edit to Bernie Sanders on 27 Feb , changed the portrait on 9 March , and removed several sentences regarding Sanders' comments on Cuba on 13 March . After the revert I received a thanks notification from one contributor and support at the talk page from another, TFD. I made no more edits over roughly the next month when, on April 10, Wikieditor19920 suddenly came to my talk page to accuse me of "selective POV" because of that ONE revert on March 13: "This strongly resembles POV pushing and attempted whitewashing. I suggest you stop." .

    Despite three out of five editors so far involved in the discussion at Talk:Bernie Sanders#Cuba disagreeing with him, he has continued to accuse us (mostly myself) of pushing a POV. I asked him to not personalize and focus on the content. He persists. Wikieditor19920 was previously warned by admin Bishonen, who wrote below the DS alert

    "If you continue to attack those with different opinions than yourself as dishonest, utterly biased, and sneaky, you may be topic banned from American politics."

    Maybe that's the appropriate remedy. I've had much more luck working productively with other people, and have never before dealt with someone whose every talk page reply includes an accusation of "selective POV" or "POV pushing" or "whitewashing" against another editor (diffs show over 10 attacks or accusations in just two days, some are minutes apart). That does not facilitate a content-focused discussion, and indicates a battleground mentality. I previously told him that any concerns about others' conduct belong at an administrator noticeboard, and explicitly encouraged him to seek that review if he found it necessary.

    I don't want to eliminate Wikieditor19920 as some kind of content opponent - he has a right to his views. But I would suggest at least some kind of further warning to Wikieditor19920 to avoid making any more personal accusations of POV pushing or similar (as in his latest talk page edit ), with the understanding that he will be blocked or topic banned if he continues his attacks. I am not interested in seeing a WP:BATTLEGROUND or personal attacks over disputed content.

    Comment in response to Wikieditor19920's statement: Wikieditor19920 paints me as accepting one standard for "critical sources" about Biden and another for Sanders. Nope. I accept reliable sources for any article. The difference I see is the issue of WP:BALASP: in fact I supported excluding another controversy from the Biden article per WP:BALASP, and I already explained that to Wikieditor19920: . Now three other participants at Talk:Bernie Sanders share the same view on Sanders (so 4 out of 6 participants), but even if I were a biased editor with different standards the article talk page would not be the venue to launch barrages like this.

    Further comment: At Talk:Joe Biden, my comments were made in the context of how many reliable sources are needed to include an allegation. In that context I argued multiple RS are enough as per WP:BLP, coverage in specific sources like The NY Times not necessary. Some argued about the due weight of the sources, but not the due weight of an allegation of assault. No one raised WP:BALASP except in the section concerning Biden's high-school sit in, where I argued for not including a different controversy per WP:BALASP concerns. If I correctly understood the arguments, no one considered Reade's allegation as too minor of an event to include in Joe Biden's biography - some (e.g., TFD) argued it was too minor in terms of reliable source coverage, and I replied accordingly. At Talk:Bernie Sanders the principal objection to inclusion has not been insufficient coverage in WP:RS but WP:BALASP - in that case editors feel the controversy itself was too minor of a controversy to include in the article, despite multiple sources covering it. I happen to consider an allegation of assault more biographically significant than Sanders' remark about Cuba; in the first case, I think an allegation of sexual assault in itself is so significant to someone's biography that its coverage in multiple reliable sources merits inclusion. In the case of a controversial remark on 60 Minutes, I do not think that is biographically significant despite ephemeral coverage. I don't think that's a hypocritical position to hold, and I don't think it indicates "POV pushing" or "whitewashing" as Wikieditor19920 believes. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

    Comment on misused diffs: Wikieditor19920, this is a very clear misuse of diffs that makes it look like I said the opposite of what I said. I am assuming you made an honest mistake. You're pointing to this diff: ("not covering anything was reported in the news"); please use the corrected diff ("we are not covering just anything that was reported in the news"). Obviously that changes the meaning, let's try to be fair. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Stricken: Wikieditor19220 corrected as asked .

    Response to Buffs: Actually, contrary to your statement, I wasn't very involved on the Bernie Sanders talk page before April 10 either. I had made only a few comments there, one when I made the revert on March 13. Notably, Wikieditor19920 did not joint the discussion there until April 10, when I asked him to use the article talk page. Instead he first came to my user talk page with an aggressive accusation of POV pushing. By the way, Wikieditor19920 recently made a better talk page contribution in response to a comment by Gandydancer. I am starting to appreciate his perspective better now that he's made that substantive comment and I'm rethinking my own, but that would have been much easier to do without the barrage of bad-faith accusations he's launched at me (and a few others) in the last three days.

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    Statement by Wikieditor19920

    Zloyvolsheb is a regular at Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders and shows a clear double standard editing controversies at both pages.

    • Diff Defends inclusion of Joe Biden sexual assault allegations based on coverage in multiple reliable sources. (Analysis that I agree with, because it is grounded in reliable sources.)
    • Diff At Sanders article, regarding the controversy over his remarks on Cuba and Castro, he sets a new standard: only if it has an impact on the race, not whether it is covered in reliable sources. He argues it did not have an impact and engages in some irrelevant, hard-to-follow polling analysis (all of this is presented as an argument for exclusion).
    • Diff At Biden, says that the NYT article was not necessary for inclusion, and that Intercept and Fox (second tier sources) are perfectly sufficient for inclusion of sex. assault allegations Diff.
    • Diff At Sanders, argues that a full-page article on the controversy in the NYT is insufficient for inclusion, and claims (without reference to a secondary source) that "Obama said the same thing" and provides link to a YouTube video.
    • Diff Sarcastic comments about "corporate media" as a response to other editor providing reliable sources supporting their point at Biden.
    • Diff At Biden, appears to properly rely on sourcing policy, unlike at Sanders, where subjective/political points are argued and reliable sources are unaddressed. Diff.
    • Diff Here, suggests that an editor is ignoring multiple RS on sexual assault allegations because it doesn't "align with their perspective." See more below.
    • Here and Here, makes arguments totally inconsistent with those made at Bernie Sanders about coverage in reliable sources being sufficient for inclusion. See Diff.

    Additional diffs

    • Diff Opens a discussion about reinserting controversy on Biden inappropriate touching based on limited sources.
    • Diff Cites BLP and PUBLICFIGURE as requiring inclusion of controversies published in reliable sources; at Sanders, argues for exclusion of controversial remarks published in RS as insignificant. Diff.
    • Diff Proposes including criticism of Biden for legislation, provides one source. Contrast w/ arguments at Sanders dismissing reliable source coverage Diff.
    • Diff Critical comments on Biden's past controversies, suggesting he is unreliable (implicit expression of disfavor of the subject.) Contrast w/ sympathetic comments at Sanders defending him as wrongfully labeled controversial by "Democratic elites." Diff.
    • Diff Argues at Biden that just a few reliable sources, dealing with highly BLP sensitive material are sufficient; exact opposite points made at Sanders, and regarding less BLP sensitive material.

    Zloyvolsheb suggests I attacked other editors. That wasn't my intent; I was critical of arguments that I saw as reflecting a POV at that page, and I believe this is borne out by the diffs. Zloyvolsheb claims they are not looking for a warning, but brought an AE report on our first interaction and demanded I not post on his talk page when I raised the above concerns with him. I might attribute Zloyvolsheb's arguments at Sanders to a lack of familiarity with policy, but his strongly argued points at Biden tell me that they know better. (Shortened from original.) Wikieditor19920 (talk) 05:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

    Reply to Objective3000, Black Kite, Guerillero The suggestion that I "attacked" other editors is false and disproven by the diffs; I was clearly critical of arguments giving inconsistent and sometimes inappropriate reasons for removing reliably sourced content. Objective3000's accusations suffer from a similar lack of evidence, but this is an editor with an axe to grind who I've warned for stalking after apparently following me to discussions I have been involved in across WP to disagree with/criticize me (as he's doing here). Guerillero, I'd urge you to reconsider striking your comment. Zloyvolsheb claims that they do not intend to "eliminate an opponent," but they brought an AE on our first interaction, for what everyone here so far has agreed had little basis. Now threatened with BOOMERANG, user suddenly says they "appreciate my perspective," but this, too, strikes me as disingenuous.

    Look at the disparity in arguments between Biden and Sanders for this user. User lists a host of conditions at Sanders for including a simple controversy over remarks, which user argues meeting would make it "too long" and then therefore unsuited for the article. This was for a two-sentence explanation. At Biden, user sets a far lower standard for the most sensitive BLP content.

    Zloyvolsheb is reacting, retributively, to the fact that I correctly noted a bias on their end and called out their political arguments as inappropriate. This is a misuse of AE. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

    @Objective3000: Do not accuse me of making assertions about behavior, which is any editor's right to do (and which you are doing here), lightly. It's a fact I presented evidence on your talk page and raised a concern about WP:STALK previously. However, I'm not going to debate it with you further here or get baited into a petty back-and-forth with you, since we've been here before.

    @Buffs: Appreciate the careful consideration of the talk page; I agree that sometimes inappropriate arguments aren't worth responding to. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 20:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

    Continued bludgeoning, civil POV pushing by Zloyvolsheb I'm just going to note that here, Zlovyolsheb wrote approximately three full-length paragraphs at Talk:Bernie Sanders continuing to object to exclusion of the material and posing a litany of demanding questions about policies that they deftly cited at JB, basically bludgeoning the discussion, and, yet again, applying a totally opposite standard between the two pages for covering controversies. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
    User continues to make specious arguments at Talk:Bernie Sanders, posing endless hypotheticals, making abstract and rambling summaries about policy, and then going to the Talk:Joe Biden page and engaging in the exact opposite behavior: applying a clear standard of reliable source coverage and then arguing for inclusion based on that. This report deserves a WP:BOOMERANG, not just for misusing AE, but for the filer's clear POV editing at of controversies Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. If anyone can find their explanation about this discrepancy in how they edit controversies convincing or sincere, I'd be shocked. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

    @Newslinger: I just want to clarify that Zloyvolsheb and I do not disagree on how to handle the Biden sexual assault info. Our disagreement was at the Bernie Sanders page; I noted their contributions because I believe they illustrate that this user is applying a double standard. I also find their arguments at Sanders to be tendentious. But I will accept your feedback and try to reframe my arguments as you suggest. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

    Request I'd politely request that anyone reviewing this report also consider what I have provided evidence of here: evidence that Zloyvolsheb is indeed engaged in editing to further a POV, as shown by efforts to remove reference to controversies at the BS page with tendentious arguments and fervently advocating for inclusion of controversies at Joe Biden with policy arguments that they do not follow at the former. I will no longer call attention to these at the Bernie Sanders talk page, since I've been encouraged to focus on content not editors. I do believe this is an issue with this user warranting AE review. I will not open a separate report because I've already made my case here. This is not because I agree or disagree with them at either page: Indeed, while I disagree with them at Sanders, I agree with them at Biden. This is because I believe it's obvious that this user chooses to apply wholly different standards at these two pages and makes political, not policy based, arguments.Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Objective3000

    Wikieditor19920 has been accusing other editors of POV pushing on multiple pages for some time. They have threatened to report multiple editors to admins -- five or six times for me alone. Their attempts at such have all failed. IMO, a warning might result in a more pleasant atmosphere. O3000 (talk) 18:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

    @Wikieditor19920: Repeatedly falsely accusing someone of stalking is a personal attack. This habit of focusing on editors (e.g. claims of POV-pushing, stalking, threats of admin action) instead of content does not help development of consensus or make for a comfortable editing environment. And frankly, doesn't look good to make an attack in a paragraph denying that you make attacks. O3000 (talk) 19:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
    I have never stalked anyone and I object to these repeated false accusations. O3000 (talk) 20:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
    Could someone suggest to Wikieditor19920 that edit summaries are not the place to make accusations? And, again remind the editor to FOC? O3000 (talk) 13:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Buffs

    Request that Wikieditor19920's be directed to shorten his reply to the required 500 words...he's way over. Buffs (talk) 04:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

    WP:Boomerang on the Zloyvolsheb. I'm seeing appropriate warnings here and dialogue here. It's also misleading to say he's only made 4 edits on the Bernie Sanders page and ignores his talk page contributions. From what I see here, he's attempting to use WP:ARBAP as a club to silence dissent. He's well-aware of the implications of the WP:DS and should be censured accordingly. Buffs (talk) 04:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

    Re:WikiEditor's edits, after re-reading Bernie's talk page, I'm not seeing personal attacks. I'm seeing. WE being flustered by Z & others' insistence on standards outside what we have for WP. I think his exasperation is reasonable, but I would remind him to maintain a cool head. Buffs (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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    • I don't see a sanction here, but neither do I see a boomerang. If you look at Talk:Bernie Sanders, pretty much all of Wikieditor19920's last dozen edits to it (including one from less than two hours ago) have in some way attacked other editors that have opinions he doesn't agree with, mostly accusing them of POV-pushing. Note that this isn't just aimed at the OP here, but to at least three other established editors (Muboshgu, The Four Deuces and Gandydancer). I'd suggest that Wikieditor19920 be reminded to comment on the content, not the contributor. Black Kite (talk) 17:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
      I Struck my comment --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 18:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
    Agree with the above; nothing sanctionable, but focus on content. Also, a general reminder that brevity is a virtue and it's harder to evaluate claims when there's a massive wall of text to work through. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

    Yae4

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    JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Yae4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate change#Standard discretionary sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 2020-03-28 Adding Forbes comment by Roger A. Pielke Jr., a climate change contrarian, for claims of "suppression" of a climate change contrarian - sourced, bizarrely, to a profile attacking Pielke in the "DeSmog blog".
    2. 2020-03-28 Forbes blog (non-RS, see WP:RSP) with extensive quote from Robert L. Bradley Jr. (a promoter of a free-market anti-interventionist position on climate change), promoting climate change denialist talking points.
    3. 2020-04-24T06:19:56 Reverts to include citations to primary material at climate change denialist group the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
    4. 2020-04-06T17:04 New article presenting climate change denialist talking points, e.g. extensive quote from musician Harold Ambler dismissing climate change as "the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind".
    5. 2020-03-30 adding invalid tags to Skeptical Science (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), reverted then again and again.
    6. 2020-04-02 Addition of synthesis serving to undermine the reputation of Climate Feedback (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) by cherry-picking superficial criticisms from an assessment that was overwhelmingly entirely positive (see talk:Climate Feedback).
    7. (admin only(, adding references to https://principia-scientific.org/, a seriously fringe website, on now-deleted Mototaka Nakamura (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
    8. , initial creation of Mototaka Nakamura, seriously cites Cooley, Richie (2019-09-22). Climate Change and Bible Prophecy. Richie Cooley. ISBN 978-0-463-55559-0. as a primary source.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    In Yae4's view many articles have been "FUBAR'd by climate change alarmists". Climate change alarmist is a pejorative used to dismiss mainstream views on climate change (and "a particularly infantile smear considering what is at stake" according to that linked article).

    Holding a fringe POV is theoretically fine, Misplaced Pages does not require ideological groupthink, but his POV comes across in disruptive article edits and talk space activism promoting idiosyncratic and non-mainstream views in a contentious area at a time of heightened political tension, and that is not fine.

    I believe that a restriction from at least mainspace editing related to climate change is justified. Explaining reality-based policies such as WP:FRINGE to editors who reject the mainstream view is a source of tension and burnout, and, bluntly, wasted time. Guy (help!) 14:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

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    Statement by Yae4

    0. Immediately before this, I questioned three JzG/Guy Guardian "blogposts" sources. (Reference "Guardian blogs", WP:RSPS). Previously, I created Climate Forecast Applications Network, which remains after JzG/Guy's speedy delete.).

    1. Roger_A._Pielke_Jr. is expert on "policy education for scientists in areas such as climate change." At Noticeboard, JzG/Guy said, I don't know if it's reliable or not. At least it has the advantage of supporting the mainstream view., and kept/updated DeSmogBlog sources in articles. Prior Forbes blog source was reverted because "the author has strong personal POV."

    2. Blog sources and attribution rules seem inconsistently applied. I've observed practices (see #1), and sought guidance. Robert L. Bradley Jr., Phd "with distinction," and decades experience, is "author of several books on energy economics."

    3. It was discussed at Judith Curry Talk, and there was consensus. Climate Models for the Layman is essentially identical to (self-published) Climate Models for Lawyers on Curry's blog site,, and presents her views.

    4. Harold_Ambler, author, musician, teacher (rower and surfer), got much notice, co-wrote/edited Ever True, history of Brown Crew (cited), wrote Don't Sell Your Coat, was controversially published on HuffPost, and got US Senate attention.

    5. Skeptical_Science has many self-published and blog sources. Article bias was noted long ago., or see my assessment.

    6. Apparently I wrote 41% of Climate Feedback, which demonstrates useful, lasting contributions. However, poor (Axios), non-attributed sources remain. "IFCN concludes its investigation into Science Feedback complaint" was removed, but several Poynter sources remain. NPOV should say they were certified, but all 3 annual IFCN/Poynter reviews had criticisms, and they were investigated; Conclusion: "the failure to clarify their role to readers, fell short of the standards required of IFCN signatories."

    7 & 8. Mototaka Nakamura, ScD has impressive qualifications, decades climate modeling experience, was noticed by numerous sources, some stronger, some weak; has h-index 60% higher than widely cited blogger Dana Nuccitelli (13 versus 8).

    JzG/Guy's Climate change alarmist quote source is a 404 (and bad archive link). Details matter. Kerry_Emanuel also says, starting the paragraph, Dividing the entire field of climate research into “believers,” “skeptics,” “deniers,” and so on is a particularly egregious tactic deployed by those who wish to discredit climate research. Science is not about belief, it is about evidence. Projections of climate change by the IPCC are deeply skeptical, and there is no attempt to hide the large uncertainty of climate forecasts. The possible outcomes, as far as we have been able to discern, range from benign to catastrophic. Calling people "deniers" is a "particularly egregious tactic" and discredits climate research, according to Emanuel.

    • "huge anti-fans": See "huge fan" by the recruiting editor.
    • Jlevi criticism contrasts previous comments: "Good going!", "Awesome work here." Bringing sources to Talk pages should be OK. Apologies for the "collapse" if it offended; noting 7 back/forth self-revert-indecision. When things happen like admin/editor JzG/Guy using "bizarre" DeSmogBlog and Guardian blogposts, I sometimes "stepped back" (disengaged).
    • If Hob Gadling may "turn over a new leaf" after civility issues, this enforcement seems out of proportion.
    • Definition unsure; however, Bishonen and El_C seem "involved." (history available)
    • PaleoNeonate, My creating Dave Hakkens, Precious Plastic, Stephen_Yafa, or David J. Rose while banned from "climate change broadly construed" seems doubtful. -- Yae4 (talk) 23:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by PaleoNeonate

    I would also like to point at "Note the usual recruiting of huge anti-fans here" at the current Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Harold Ambler discussion. And to this related NPOVN thread: WP:NPOVN § Non-NPOV at Climate Feedback (and budding edit war, poor sources, and more). At the AfD, voters are disparate, as can be expected, especially that the discussion is actually about the subject's notability. As for "anti-fans", shouldn't Misplaced Pages simply reflect the scientific and academic consensus? The prevention of undue promotion in relation to climate-change denial is part of normal editor duties and not activism. I didn't have the time to dig for diffs yet, but have noticed slow edit wars on various articles. I might post some examples later. An eventual topic ban seems unevitable. —PaleoNeonate – 23:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

    This suggests that this may be a domain-specific problem That is also my impression and Yae4 demonstrated an interest in some Computer Science articles; I don't think that a site ban is necessary and it could prevent potentially useful contributions. —PaleoNeonate – 04:48, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    JFG: You do not appear to realize that persistent civil POV pushing in relation to various articles, with the promotion of unreliable sources, is disruptive and wasting the community's precious time. The report is not about a content dispute. —PaleoNeonate – 08:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Jlevi

    The user does not tend to follow core editing policies on climate-related pages, operating in a manner that make it difficult to engage constructively. I will highlight some WP:RS and Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution problems that occurred over a long span of time. Note that these diffs occurred on WP:BLP pages.

    - diff from 21 January 2020 Non-RS sources restated on the talk page without any RS-related arguments after removal from a BLP entry (diff Jan 19).

    - diff from 23 January 2020 Unwillingness to discuss issues and focus on content.

    - diff from 23 January 2020 More ref-bombing without consideration for source quality.


    Similar behavior occurred in a recent AFD:

    - diff from 20 April 2020 Ref-bombing with demonstrated lack of understanding of WP:RS and WP:N guidelines. These sources were largely present in the article when Yae4 moved it into mainspace (article at that time).

    - diff from 20 April 2020 Unwillingness to 1) discuss further, or 2) to consolidate sources.

    - diff from 23 April 2020 Collapsing another editor's comments outside the WP:COLLAPSENO talkpage behavioral guideline.

    Please note that all the interactions above come from my personal interactions with the editor, so I am not an outside observer. However, I think I have provided a reasonable analysis of the diffs in questions, as well as of the lack of movement on these issues.

    On quick inspection, it seems like the user's handling of policy outside of the climate domain appears more accurate. This suggests that this may be a domain-specific problem, though I have not engaged with the user extensively outside of the climate domain and hesitate to speak about quality of edits in technology- and company-related articles. 15:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

    Edit: Added mainspace examples. Jlevi (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Buffs

    If this person is such a problem, why have they not been blocked for any length of time? . It seems that this should have been done prior to WP:AE. DS already gives that authority. Shouldn't we try something else first? Buffs (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by PackMecEng

    El_C & Bishonen How can we be past warning if they have never been warned or sanctioned? PackMecEng (talk) 19:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

    @El C: Correct it is not required. That is not what I was saying though. Why go straight to a sanction when no warnings, sanctions, or issues have occurred before this point? Generally they get a chance to correct problematic behavior before a restriction. If this is something that has been going on this long I would expect to see something, anything in fact before this. PackMecEng (talk) 19:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

    Just feels wrong when an one side of a content dispute brings the other in to get sanctioned, especially given how weak the evidence is and general lack of disruption for the topic area. PackMecEng (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by JFG

    I don't see much more than disagreement about content here, and the accused editor has replied cogently to accusations. The matter could be settled by a reminder to tread lightly in a DS subject matter, and strictly adhere to RS sourcing. Sanctions such as a TBAN would look punitive rather than preventive at this time. — JFG 06:10, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Atsme

    Appears to be a case of a new editor needing a mentor rather than a t-ban or a block right out of the box. Lighten up - let's not run-off all of our newbie editors. Remove your dentures and gum 'em first, especially those who just need a little guidance. It's a learning process. If your ban hammer trigger finger itches, go fight some vandals...j/s. Talk 📧 18:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Yae4

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • I could support a topic ban. I think the documentation establishes that as an appropriate remedy. At the very least, there needs to be a logged warning alongside a commitment to do better. But we may be past that point now. El_C 16:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
    • PackMecEng, this is a volunteer project, sometimes things slip through the cracks. There is always the prospect of a successful appeal in a while, so that's where I'm still leaning. It doesn't appear likely that Yae4 is able to edit in this topic area without disruption. That is a fact. El_C 20:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
    • I was already following Yae4's tendentious editing with growing concern, and I find JzG's collection of diffs and links above convincing. The user only recently changed a fire-breathing section header on their userpage from "Hall of Shame (or Articles FUBAR'd by climate change alarmists)" (quoted by JzG above) to the blander "Hall of Shame (or articles not consistent with "reliable" source coverage)". Support a topic ban from climate change broadly construed. I do think we are past the point of warnings. Bishonen | tålk 16:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC).
    • @Yae4: without prejudice to your position, you appear to be at almost twice your allowed word limit. Would you be kind enough to trim back to no more than 500 words, please? --RexxS (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
    • @Yae4: I don't see any problem with the four articles you mention, even if you were under a climate change topic ban. It would be climate change that is the defining issue, not the environment in any shape or form. Black Kite (talk) 19:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)