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Nakhichevan

Unfortunately, I have not found any new images of Nakhichevan. I will let you know if I get any. Take care. Grandmaster 16:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Blanking

Please do not remove content from Misplaced Pages. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. —Pilotguy (push to talk) 00:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_Country_or_territory was blanked by you on November 29 , perhaps accidentally or, as you mentioned, as a fact that your account was compromised. In any case, it was noticed by the foundation. Did you intended to do this or was this a mistake/done by someone else? —Pilotguy (push to talk) 00:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Understandable, no problem. Just be careful in the future. —Pilotguy (push to talk)

Image:Anahit.png

Hey, can you add the source/url for that image so that we know it's a work of the Armenian gov.--Eupator 18:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Another request

No problem! Khoikhoi 02:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Diaspora map

Parev Clevelander, very nice work on the Armenian Diaspora map. But I believe there is a problem with Argentina, there are way more Armenians there than 5 000 to 15 000. They are quite a vibrant community with certain estimates putting them over 100 000. They also have a big influence there and recently the Argentine parliament recognized the Genocide as a day of mourning. I'm not sure if I can find an exact number but this site states about 130 000. This is the Argentino-Armenians site sadly, I can't really tell if there is an English version of it lol. Anyway could you please fix the map. Thanks again and nice work Fedayee 00:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Tsavatane

Dear Clevelander,

Please, keep up your excellent work. SosoMK 00:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Image

Yes its a photo of an Armenian family in Turkey, before the Genocide. Found that one on Ebay. Regards. Luis. Ldingley 19:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Middle Eastern Americans

yes or no? Chaldean 07:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Clevlander, regarding this template the template of Armenian diaspora, I think Turkey should be removed from the list because they are not actually diasporans. I mean, the land that is called Turkey today is the homeland of those Armenians still their - you can't be considered to be leaving in the diaspora when you are living in your own homeland, dont you agree?

diaspora - "The term diaspora (in Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering or sowing of seeds") is used (without capitalization) to refer to any people or ethnic population forced or induced to leave their traditional ethnic homelands;" - those Armenians living in Turkey have not left their traditional ethnic homeland. Chaldean 04:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The article

Ok, let's do it that way then.. In any case, I won't be able to contribute anymore tonight, gotta have some sleep. But I will try to look into it tomorrow. Cheers! Baristarim 01:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The last version of the Treaty of Kars is good, no problems with that.. Baristarim 02:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

AGBU

Thanks! :-) --RaffiKojian 04:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Flag Re

Looks good, red color is less stinging. The COA, or Գերբ in Armenian, looks funny colored though (the grapes look tasty, however), makes me want to revert to the one I uploaded.--MarshallBagramyan 19:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Urartu

Thanks for the welcome, but why are you removing the well-cited and appropriate reference? It is a major source and reflects the information which is both appropriate for the article and generally included in one way or another in such encyclopedia's as Britannica. Speaking of which, I might quote them. --AdilBaguirov 23:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Nareklm/Urartian Armenians

I have over 200 sources on urartu and counting almost. I got way more Urartu's are closet to Armenians there for Mesrop Mashtots wasn't there back than so i don't get the fuss about the languages. If they want sources these are very reliable. Nareklm 00:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Artak Movsisyan, "Aratta: The ancient Kindgom of Armenia," Yerevan, 1992.

• M.Chahin, "The Kingdom of Armenia," London, 2001 "The new kingdom of Urartu, which proved to be the stronghold of the Hurrian race."

• Artak Movsisyan, "Mithraic (Mehian) Writing in the Kingdom of Van (Biaynili, Urartu, Ararat)," Yerevan, 1998.

• Artak Movsisyan, "Sacred Highland: Armenia in the spiritual conception of the Near East," Yerevan, 2000.

• Artak Movsisyan, "Aratta: Land of the Sacred Law," Yerevan, 2001. Ararat arev

• Martiros S. Kavoukjian's The Genesis of Armenian People, Montreal, 1982

• G. Contenau's 19th century text La Civilisation des Hittites et des Hurrites du Mitanni Paris. p. 62.

• Cf. the study of Neu 1996 with further bibliographical references.

• Diakonoff 1967, 165; 1971, 157-171; 1978; 1980, 103.

• Diakonoff and Starostin 1986; 1988.

• Starostin 1995a; 1998.

• HroznY 1916, 27, n.3 (the idea of a possible Indo-European or Hittite influence on the Hurro-Urartian

Nominative-Ergative in -Í/Íe, discussed later by Pedersen); Diakonoff 1980, 104.

• Dzhaukian 1963; 1967.

• Gamkrelidze and Ivanov 1984/1995; Xachikian 1985a, 53-54.

• Starostin 1988.

• 1989. Il mito troiano e l’eredità etrusca di Roma. Milan.

• Reichelt, H. 1978. Awestisches Elementarbuch. Reprint. Heidelberg.

• Riemschneider, K. K. 1973. Lehrbuch des Akkadischen. 2nd. ed. Leipzig.

• Ringe, Don, Jr. 1996. On the Chronology of Sound Changes in Tocharian. Vol. 1. of From

• Proto-Indo-European to Proto-Tocharian. American Oriental Series. 80. New Haven.

Requesting protection

Too many people are removing information on Urartu and Armenia related articles and its getting quite annoying, something has to done because we can't revert everyday and there sources aren't enough.

Lots of turks are changing it for some reason, I think they should take it to the talk page and request at least some protection on some articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Armenia Nareklm 04:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Yerevan

Hi Clevelander. Please use the talk page and cite your sources before reverting the article. Otherwise I see no end to the dispute. Regards, Grandmaster 11:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

“Liberation” and “occupation” are POV, “control” is neutral. It’s been discussed before, and no matter how referenced it is, you cannot say that Russians liberated the city from Persia, for whom it belonged for centuries. Iran definitely does not consider it to be liberation, and correct word would be conquered, but neutral word would be “took under control”. The article in Iranica says “Erevan fell to the Russians”, why not using that reference? This should not be an issue. Grandmaster 12:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It was foreign occupation anyway, Russia was a foreign country that seized the region from Persia. Calling it liberation would be offensive for Iranian people, we can ask the opinion of Iranian users as well, if you wish. Grandmaster 08:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

But Persia was different from Nazi Germany, wasn't it? I suggest we ask third party opinion, I don't want this to become a large dispute. Grandmaster 11:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Now you see my point. So neutrality requires us to choose a wording on the middle ground between liberation and occupation. I think we can ask Ali, who's opinion I respect, to advise on this. Alternatively, you can pick anyone else. Grandmaster 11:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert, I had missed it since I generally edit by sections :) Baristarim 00:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

? You didnt like that picture?

You didnt like that picture? Ararat arev 03:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Revert

I am sorry, but I had to revert your edits in the fr rel tr article. Please remember that it is the fr rel tr, not history of turkey article. Please keep that in mind. It doesn't make sense to change "Russia and Caucasus" to "post-soviet caucasus". I am sorry to say this, but turkey's relations with russia are more important to turkey than Turkey's relations with Armenia or georgia. The section title will be about Russia and Caucasus, and it will be mainly about Russia when that section will be worked on. Please put things in context. That article needs work, and most of the historical stuff will be taken out sooner or later. Half the article is a stub in any case. There is also no reason to create a "Pakistan" subsection. It is not like Pakistani-Turkey relations form the main axis of power of Asia :) The AG issue is talked about in the "Debates and frictions" section in the article, there is no need to duplicate information. I have the feeling that you jumped into the article without reading it fully. Baristarim 23:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok I will delete the Turkish version of events, they shouldn't be in there either. Nagorno-Karabakh could be mentioned I suppose. However it shouldn't be a whole list of events either.. I didn't write that section, so I don't know who did either.. Baristarim 00:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't edit when you know that there are objections to your version, otherwise I will have to revert your other edits because of edit conflicts. There is already a debates and frictions section. Baristarim 00:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

It is mentioned in "debates and frictions". That version was agreed upon after long discussions and debate way back when. Another reason I am reverting is the fact that it could lead to an edit war. It is mentioned, there is a see also for AG right under the subsection, and the situation is talked about in the debates and frictions section. That's all I am saying, it is not like it is not mentioned at all :) Even the selection of the AG seealso for the Caucasus subsection was talked about. Baristarim 00:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I will take a look. I reverted it before I got your msg, so just wait a minute, I will get back to you.. Baristarim 00:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok no problems, I reverted myself to your latest version :) Phew, we got through that alright! lol Baristarim 00:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the other additions as well! Baristarim 00:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries! Baristarim 11:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You dont discuss when removing

Please give me the reasons? Nairi is what Egyptians called Mitanni. Our Armenian kingdom of Mitanni was called Nairi first of all "land of rivers". Second we have more than 4 scholars here who reveal Mitanni an Armenian kingdom which we are making the point clear about the Hurrian and Urartu links with Armenians. Also the scholars reveal Hurrian words and sentence used today in Armenian. The symbols and cultures also reveal the Armenian kingdom. Nairi is a key point in all this specially. Ararat arev 21:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Clevelander

Be careful man. There is no such thing as if past midnight you're entitled to 3 more rv's! It applies for any 3 rv's within a 24h period (regardless dates). I'll help in the discussion if you wish, start by citing different definitions of European borders... NikoSilver 22:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I share your views 100%. I only gave you a friendly advice, because you're more useful to me unblocked! :-) NikoSilver 22:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Niko and Clevekander, thanks for taking care of it in my absence. --Eupator 23:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Its only been going a day, and while I may think that is a reasonable solution, we should leave it a few days at least. If there is no useful discussion by say Saturday, let me know again. There does seem to be reasonable discussion going on, and thats what matters. - Francis Tyers · 13:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Template comments

Their Clevelander, I am not happy with your edits on my comments, dividing-half deleting-change places. etc. Iwill revert back to myversion. Please reply just after may comment:(without dividing-deleting my full comment) as a seperate section. Regards. Must 15:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

move

Dear Clevelander, Why you insist in wrong base. My comments are exactly related with TfD. Not related with Francis' talk page. My comments will stay in TfD as a part of other discussions there. Sorry, Put your arguments there also not anybodies' talk page. Regards, Must 15:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

your talk,

Ofcourse, when you log in with you user name. Regards. Must 15:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Not

No.Exactly not.I bring your comments to TfD, since directly related with TfD discussion. Sorry, I have no much time.(dealing with my business also)see you later. Regards. Must 15:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Fine

Clevelander,Why you afraid. I didnt add any word to your and other comments. You did something, with this template ok. These my comments against, everybody has a right to know all about, to perfectly decide. Sincerely yours. Must 15:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No transfer

Clevelander, please try to understand. My comments are mine. I decided to contribute to TfD discussion,not to discuss with userX.So I decide to put my comments there which related exactly TfD not else. Sorry this is my last comments. Regards. Must 15:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Flame

Ok, you must think about it since you created it. I am trying to extunguish the current flame and possible others in future. Regards.Must 15:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Your comments

Dear Clevelander, Your comments are welcome. Please put your comments immediately after mine, and without disturbing mine. Regards. Must 15:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)