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| :::{{Ping|Joel B. Lewis|label=LBJ}} I am not at all surprised that the person just shifted to other articles. In fact I very much thought they probably would. It is very difficult to make much impact on editors like this, who are undeterred by blocks because they just shift to another IP address or account, and undeterred by page protection because they just shift to another page. However, at the very least blocking and protecting slows them down, and if it happens often enough sometimes it can lead them to give up and go away, so it's worth trying. ] (]) 21:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC) | :::{{Ping|Joel B. Lewis|label=LBJ}} I am not at all surprised that the person just shifted to other articles. In fact I very much thought they probably would. It is very difficult to make much impact on editors like this, who are undeterred by blocks because they just shift to another IP address or account, and undeterred by page protection because they just shift to another page. However, at the very least blocking and protecting slows them down, and if it happens often enough sometimes it can lead them to give up and go away, so it's worth trying. ] (]) 21:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
| :::: {{tq|@LBJ}} Ha! Apologies for the mix-up. I agree with your analysis. --] (]) 23:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Temporarily Blocked
EdJohnston (talk) I noticed that I am still blocked from editing the page while Cornerstonepicker who initiated the edit warring is still active deleting awards from the page, It´s unfair how he isn´t blocked but I was. I already posted at the Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Beyoncé#Proposed restoration and WP:Request for comment but still, no one replied and I am still blocked. I hope you reconsider things. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 02 May 2020 (UTC)
- In my opinion you have received an adequate response at Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Beyoncé#Proposed restoration. Misplaced Pages resists the inclusion of non-notable awards. If non-notable awards are included for other artists they should probably be removed, but that's a separate issue. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. EdJohnston (talk) 16:43, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I understand that and I will respect that, I won´t awards those deleted awards anymore. I just want to be unblocked from editing Beyonce´s page, it looks messy since someone just kept on deleting and adding shits since I was blocked. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 05 May 2020 (UTC)
- If you have a specific change in mind to make the article less messy, you can propose it on the talk page. Just describe what you want done. EdJohnston (talk) 15:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- Can you just please unblock me? there are many user who are deleting + adding something on the page without any reason. They are the ones you should blocked.Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- I should lift your partial block so you can resume warring with the others? That does not make sense. The right way is for you to negotiate on the talk page and reach agreement there. EdJohnston (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- I already did but still, the blocked was not lifted, you are the one who blocked me per wikipedia. I don´t have the intention to continue the edit warring. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- "I already did" — i.e. you believe you received consensus for your change on the talk page. Which editors have expressed agreement with you there? EdJohnston (talk) 16:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- If you will check it again, I did and nobody is answering my concern. They also discussed why am I being block while the one who initially started was not. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Beyonc%C3%A9#Proposed_restoration. I just hope you will removed the blocked you put. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- It may happen that there is a discussion and nobody will answer you. This is regrettable but it doesn't give you permission to go forward. Certainly it doesn't give you consensus. The page at WP:Dispute resolution lists some other options, such as WP:DRN or WP:RFC. Does any of the awards you wish to add have its own Misplaced Pages article? EdJohnston (talk) 15:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Some awards have its own Misplaced Pages article, for those who does not have, I put a valid primary source from reputable publications such as Billboard and Variety but it was still deleted. I don´t have plans of having edit warring again, I just want to have access to edit the page since there are new awards Beyonce won that still doesn´t included there yet Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 11 May 2020
- It may happen that there is a discussion and nobody will answer you. This is regrettable but it doesn't give you permission to go forward. Certainly it doesn't give you consensus. The page at WP:Dispute resolution lists some other options, such as WP:DRN or WP:RFC. Does any of the awards you wish to add have its own Misplaced Pages article? EdJohnston (talk) 15:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- If you will check it again, I did and nobody is answering my concern. They also discussed why am I being block while the one who initially started was not. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Beyonc%C3%A9#Proposed_restoration. I just hope you will removed the blocked you put. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- "I already did" — i.e. you believe you received consensus for your change on the talk page. Which editors have expressed agreement with you there? EdJohnston (talk) 16:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I already did but still, the blocked was not lifted, you are the one who blocked me per wikipedia. I don´t have the intention to continue the edit warring. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I should lift your partial block so you can resume warring with the others? That does not make sense. The right way is for you to negotiate on the talk page and reach agreement there. EdJohnston (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Can you just please unblock me? there are many user who are deleting + adding something on the page without any reason. They are the ones you should blocked.Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- If you have a specific change in mind to make the article less messy, you can propose it on the talk page. Just describe what you want done. EdJohnston (talk) 15:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- I understand that and I will respect that, I won´t awards those deleted awards anymore. I just want to be unblocked from editing Beyonce´s page, it looks messy since someone just kept on deleting and adding shits since I was blocked. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 09:54, 05 May 2020 (UTC)
You say that some awards have their own Misplaced Pages articles. Can you give examples? EdJohnston (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- A good example is the FiFi Awards, (https://en.wikipedia.org/FiFi_Awards), in 2005, Beyonce was credited for the win of True Star for Best New Fragrance Commercial.
There are also awards that don´t have wikipedia page but got sources from reputable sites. For example is the WACO Humanitarian Award https://www.eonline.com/shows/e_news/news/921692/beyonce-was-honored-with-the-humanitarian-award-at-the-2018-wearable-art-gala https://www.essence.com/celebrity/beyonce-humanitarian-award-speech-tina-knowles/
There are more awards from the previous pages deleted. Again, I don´t have intentions on having edit warri ng, I only want access to edit the page again for future use when she won awards. I hope you understand. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 12 May 2020
- If you have a source that she won a FiFi Award in 2005, why not consider adding her name to the page at FiFi Awards? Note that the page already has a banner at the top questioning the notability of the award. Still, so long as the page exists, it should be OK to add Beyoncé. EdJohnston (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- One of the problem I have with the deletion is the references, most of the references there are retrieved from Wayback Machine. Also, I dont have plans meddling with other pages since I noticed most people reverted the edit. Lastly, will you lift the ban or not? I would love to get an access to the page once again since I exerts too much effort for years just to fixed the page. Regards! Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 13 May 2020
- If you think that the FiFi Awards are notable, why not post at Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Beyoncé and ask for it to be added. It is possible that others won't act on your request, because frankly the FiFi Awards look marginal. You would also need a reliable source that Beyoncé won the award in 2005: "True Star for Best New Fragrance Commercial". EdJohnston (talk) 14:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- I won´t include that award anymore. Again, can you lift the blocked? I am still waiting to finally got the access to edit the page. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 14 May 2020
- I decline to lift the partial block, not seeing evidence that you understand the issue. If you want another admin to review the situation you can appeal at WP:ANI. EdJohnston (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- You are being subjective. As one of the pioneer here, you should do your job in accordance to what is right or wrong. You blocked me but unblock the one who started the edit warring? Be fair. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 15 May 2020
- I decline to lift the partial block, not seeing evidence that you understand the issue. If you want another admin to review the situation you can appeal at WP:ANI. EdJohnston (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- I won´t include that award anymore. Again, can you lift the blocked? I am still waiting to finally got the access to edit the page. Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 14 May 2020
- If you think that the FiFi Awards are notable, why not post at Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Beyoncé and ask for it to be added. It is possible that others won't act on your request, because frankly the FiFi Awards look marginal. You would also need a reliable source that Beyoncé won the award in 2005: "True Star for Best New Fragrance Commercial". EdJohnston (talk) 14:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- One of the problem I have with the deletion is the references, most of the references there are retrieved from Wayback Machine. Also, I dont have plans meddling with other pages since I noticed most people reverted the edit. Lastly, will you lift the ban or not? I would love to get an access to the page once again since I exerts too much effort for years just to fixed the page. Regards! Beyhiveboys (Beyhiveboys) 19:54, 13 May 2020
Lobsterthermidor and Walsingham
Hi EdJohnston. Thanks for your comments about Thomas Walsingham (died 1457) on closing the AN3 report on User:Lobsterthermidor, here. You mentioned raising an RfC on its talk page - in the light of what's on that page now, what aspect do you see the RfC covering? —SMALLJIM 22:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- It seems there has been a long-running dispute where you may not have much patience for the other party. However, just looking at the talk page, there is enough material there to apply regular WP:Dispute resolution. The thread at Talk:Thomas Walsingham (died 1457)#Problems with the original version of this article lists a number of items where editors have disagreed. You could use that as a basis for an RfC. You could come up with specific alternatives, and ask the commenters on the RfC to pick between the choices. As a person of your experience knows, RfCs are advertised and can bring in people new to the issue. If an RfC is formally closed the result is usually binding. People can be blocked for reverting against the result of an RfC. If you are doubtful about a source you can ask at WP:RSN. EdJohnston (talk) 02:19, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Ed. Yes, he has tried my patience a few times. Seeking community involvement on individual issues sounds like a good way to progress. —SMALLJIM 23:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Bosnian medieval policy
Why did you protected Santasa edits, his removal of the sourced references?Čeha (razgovor) 13:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Can you link to whatever this is about? EdJohnston (talk) 13:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Bosnia_(early_medieval_polity) this. User Santasa is constant in his deletion of sources. Now I see that you didn't protect the page, just puted sign on it. Could you protect it now? Čeha (razgovor) 03:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is no recent discussion on the talk page. But if the angry exchanges continue, admins will probably have to decide whether to use the discretionary sanctions. EdJohnston (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Bosnia_(early_medieval_polity) this. User Santasa is constant in his deletion of sources. Now I see that you didn't protect the page, just puted sign on it. Could you protect it now? Čeha (razgovor) 03:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- It would be great if someone could stop that guy from deleting quotes...Čeha (razgovor) 02:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
User:84.70.3.168
- 84.70.3.168 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sure about that? The way I read it, they were reverting vandalism; in fact vandalism from exactly the LTA the filter was supposed to stop. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, I did get that backwards. I've unblocked the IP. EdJohnston (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Looks like a new M.O. from the LTA. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Honest Yusuf Cricket
has continued the same nonsense not logged in (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Honest_Yusuf_Cricket); their recent disruptive edits are at Peter Pan (1953 film) and Song of the South. Any chance you could do something about it, or should I take it to a noticeboard? (JWB JBW put some protection on Criticism of The Walt Disney Company, I see, but they've just shifted to other articles.) --JBL (talk) 00:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've blocked the three IPs you listed and semiprotected two articles: Peter Pan (1953 film) and Song of the South. The geolocation of the IPs to Italy is distinctive. EdJohnston (talk) 01:17, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! --JBL (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- You are thinking of JBW not JWB.
- Fixed, thank you,
JBWJWB. EdJohnston (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)- @LBJ: I am not at all surprised that the person just shifted to other articles. In fact I very much thought they probably would. It is very difficult to make much impact on editors like this, who are undeterred by blocks because they just shift to another IP address or account, and undeterred by page protection because they just shift to another page. However, at the very least blocking and protecting slows them down, and if it happens often enough sometimes it can lead them to give up and go away, so it's worth trying. JBW (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@LBJ
Ha! Apologies for the mix-up. I agree with your analysis. --JBL (talk) 23:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @LBJ: I am not at all surprised that the person just shifted to other articles. In fact I very much thought they probably would. It is very difficult to make much impact on editors like this, who are undeterred by blocks because they just shift to another IP address or account, and undeterred by page protection because they just shift to another page. However, at the very least blocking and protecting slows them down, and if it happens often enough sometimes it can lead them to give up and go away, so it's worth trying. JBW (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Fixed, thank you,