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| Hi Govvy - hope you don't mind me dropping by, just wanted to try to pour a little oil on the troubled waters. Looking over the history of the interactions that led here, there was a less-than-entirely-collegiate discussion taking place over the infoboxes, but it was you who levelled the first PA - yes, commenting on someone else being weird is a PA. Stuff like that always tends to escalate - you'll no doubt remember the discussion we had about that on my talk page in March (it's in my Archive 6 if you want to review it). Basically, if you make a mild PA, people aren't going to be surprised if they respond with another PA, even if it's arguably a worse one. My advice - don't make PAs of any kind. If you think someone else behaves imperfectly, don't stoop to their level, and definitely don't escalate it - it won't end well. I'm sure that you could be unblocked if you accept that your actions weren't ideal, and commit to do better, or you could just wait out the block, but just keep away from commenting on other people in future and stuff like this won't happen. ]] 11:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC) | Hi Govvy - hope you don't mind me dropping by, just wanted to try to pour a little oil on the troubled waters. Looking over the history of the interactions that led here, there was a less-than-entirely-collegiate discussion taking place over the infoboxes, but it was you who levelled the first PA - yes, commenting on someone else being weird is a PA. Stuff like that always tends to escalate - you'll no doubt remember the discussion we had about that on my talk page in March (it's in my Archive 6 if you want to review it). Basically, if you make a mild PA, people aren't going to be surprised if they respond with another PA, even if it's arguably a worse one. My advice - don't make PAs of any kind. If you think someone else behaves imperfectly, don't stoop to their level, and definitely don't escalate it - it won't end well. I'm sure that you could be unblocked if you accept that your actions weren't ideal, and commit to do better, or you could just wait out the block, but just keep away from commenting on other people in future and stuff like this won't happen. ]] 11:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
| :{{reply|Girth Summit}} Telling someone to f'off and leave me alone for wiki-hounding my talk page, pfft, wikipedia is showing it's weakness in my opinion, I ask for help, get bullied and get banned. Calling someone weird is nothing, calling someone a dick is far worse. Wiki-hounding and bullying, that's just sick. Banning someone from editing because they can F-bomb, that's also not fixing the problem, in fact that makes things far worse and damages that relationship of the editor with wikipedia. Loads of admins don't consider their actions, they don't think about the outcome of said actions, there are so many issues with how guidance works and yet people say wikipedia doesn't do guidance counselling. It really saddens me, over the years of my editing, I done a fair bit of wikipedia, put my own person time into try and improve where I can. I hardly think people acknowledge that, "respect is earned" bah, saying that at me discounts the what ever edits I've done over the years, that's not how to talk to people. You need to be strong at times, and show compassion at others. In my experience, there are too many robots and not enough humans. ] (]) 12:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Please do not post to a closed discussion. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- @331dot: What are you talking about? Govvy (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- This edit you made to ANI(and initially removed by someone else) was to a discussion that was closed. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- @331dot: 1, It was a discussion I started and have every right to post under it if it's closed, 2, I've seen multiple times people post under closed discussions, so I don't know what rule you're on about. 3, it shouldn't of been removed by the other guy, as that's clearly a COI when he removed it. Govvy (talk) 08:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- It is disruptive to post to a closed discussion and it is also disruptive to revert to keep the post there. Please drop the stick. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- @331dot: drop the stick? I was effectively called a dick (twice) and I got no help from anyone, I found that really offensive and out of order on wikipedia. How an editor can get away with that is beyond me. Then that SchroCat who has been around on wikipedia for years is behaving oddly. I am just pissed off now and it's really sad that ANI missed the key points I pointed out. Don't let it go down hill and I thought admins should know the rules as much as anyway, but I am often shown that's false. Govvy (talk) 09:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- It is disruptive to post to a closed discussion and it is also disruptive to revert to keep the post there. Please drop the stick. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- @331dot: 1, It was a discussion I started and have every right to post under it if it's closed, 2, I've seen multiple times people post under closed discussions, so I don't know what rule you're on about. 3, it shouldn't of been removed by the other guy, as that's clearly a COI when he removed it. Govvy (talk) 08:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- This edit you made to ANI(and initially removed by someone else) was to a discussion that was closed. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure why after what seems to be a long and productive Misplaced Pages career you have decided to go off the rails and make personal attacks, but such attacks will not be tolerated. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- See, the guy bullies me and you block me, that's clearly abuse of admins. This is pathetic, 331dot abusing his power and SchroCat wiki-hounding (cyber-bullying) to get me to react to ban me. There my emotions are always close to the surface, but this just proves how pathetic wikipedia is. No fucking respect. Govvy (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Respect is earned, not bestowed. If you think fighting fire with fire will earn you respect, you are mistaken. Only you can control your behavior; others cannot bait you if you don't take the bait. You are free to make an unblock request to be reviewed by someone else, but statements like this will not help. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Govvy - hope you don't mind me dropping by, just wanted to try to pour a little oil on the troubled waters. Looking over the history of the interactions that led here, there was a less-than-entirely-collegiate discussion taking place over the infoboxes, but it was you who levelled the first PA - yes, commenting on someone else being weird is a PA. Stuff like that always tends to escalate - you'll no doubt remember the discussion we had about that on my talk page in March (it's in my Archive 6 if you want to review it). Basically, if you make a mild PA, people aren't going to be surprised if they respond with another PA, even if it's arguably a worse one. My advice - don't make PAs of any kind. If you think someone else behaves imperfectly, don't stoop to their level, and definitely don't escalate it - it won't end well. I'm sure that you could be unblocked if you accept that your actions weren't ideal, and commit to do better, or you could just wait out the block, but just keep away from commenting on other people in future and stuff like this won't happen. GirthSummit (blether) 11:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit: Telling someone to f'off and leave me alone for wiki-hounding my talk page, pfft, wikipedia is showing it's weakness in my opinion, I ask for help, get bullied and get banned. Calling someone weird is nothing, calling someone a dick is far worse. Wiki-hounding and bullying, that's just sick. Banning someone from editing because they can F-bomb, that's also not fixing the problem, in fact that makes things far worse and damages that relationship of the editor with wikipedia. Loads of admins don't consider their actions, they don't think about the outcome of said actions, there are so many issues with how guidance works and yet people say wikipedia doesn't do guidance counselling. It really saddens me, over the years of my editing, I done a fair bit of wikipedia, put my own person time into try and improve where I can. I hardly think people acknowledge that, "respect is earned" bah, saying that at me discounts the what ever edits I've done over the years, that's not how to talk to people. You need to be strong at times, and show compassion at others. In my experience, there are too many robots and not enough humans. Govvy (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)