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STRONGLY DISAGREE: Protests are different than riots. Assaulting and intimidating people & burning down and looting businesses is not a protest that's a riot. We need to stop normalizing these riots. Words have meanings, we need to stop perverted those definitions. These are riots, do not change the name from Kenosha Riots to Kenosha Protests, that would be a lie! If Misplaced Pages wants to continue being the place people turn to for information, that information needs to be factual and accurate.

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I would not use news sources words frequency to determine a title. News sources are 90% politics based and try imposing a narrative. Writing "peaceful protest" for the 1000th is not going to change the impressive circle of violence we are looking at. The George Floyd Protest was exactly that: a peaceful protest. It changed over time, but it started as a peaceful protest. On the other side, Kenosha riots cannot be labelled as protests (much less, peaceful protests), because on the same day they degenerated into violence. We didn't see moms and dads peacefully marching with symbols. It directly went to fire and destruction. dfumagalli —Preceding undated comment added 18:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Kenosha riot → Kenosha protests – Per WP:COMMONNAME. To limit my analysis to news sources I used news.google.com In order not to retrieve older protests/riots, I restricted the searches to last week only. "protests in Kenosha"=20. "Kenosha protests"=28. Total PROTESTS=48. "riots in Kenosha"=8. "Kenosha riots"=12. Total RIOTS=20. Conclusion: protests is *more than twice as common* in news sources! "Jacob Blake protests" would also make sense but only 8 occurrences at presence. gidonb (talk) 12:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support The news outlets called the riots that are taking place riots. But the majority of demonstrators are in daytime and largely peaceful. Albertaont (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I suggest Jacob Blake protests as the article title. The events are a reaction to the shooting of Jacob Blake. This approach is similar to the George Floyd protests article (which morphed into a global protest movement article with the Minneapolis riots spun off into George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul). Using "Kenosha protests" or "Kenosha riots" as the main article title is far too limiting, especially as other parts of Wisconsin have already had notable events, and it is a way of diminishing the person who was shot. Also, it's not a Kenosha thing anymore.VikingB (talk) 13:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Support VikingB's proposal for consistency, as well as to reflect the accuracy of protests tied to the shooting of Jacob Blake that are not limited to Kenosha. While I also support ShadZ01's proposal, that is a discussion to take place elsewhere, as repeatedly mentioned. --Delta1989 (talk) (contributions) 17:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I say George Floyd protests and this article should be merged into one. Call it United States anti-police brutality protests or 2020 United States unrest like that since these similar events aren't just about George Floyd anymore. ShadZ01 (talk) 14:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

A merger and rename discussion would need to happen on the talk page for George Floyd protests.VikingB (talk) 15:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Majority of the protests are peaceful. So it should be renamed. ShadZ01 (talk) 17:35, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

What makes you say that a majority of what is happening in Kenosha was peaceful? Juno (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose The news outlets call this riots. Protests take place in daylight - these are not protests at night. Lightburst (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Same reasons as stated by Lightburst user above, also this article is specifically about the riots and the damage caused by them, which massively overshadow the otherwise hardly notable daytime "protests". I also somewhat support ShadZ01's point about the George Floyd protests namechange, but that's for another talk page. Temeku (talk) 15:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Juno (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I would hope editors would consider themselves to have a duty to a correct record, and not a duty to media outlets, which are a tool to arrive at the record but are not the record themselves. Distinguishing between protests of no particular note and riots of considerable significance is a pertinent consideration as well. We do not speak of the Greenwood protests; we speak of the Tulsa Race Massacre.Torriende (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose content of the entry focuses on the violence occurring as a result of the Blake shooting, as evidenced by the Events entries. By focusing on the violence the name and content reflect the riots occurring and not the protests. A change in the title will necessitate new content specific to the protests and engender a need for a new entry to cover the Kenosha Riots leveraging the current content of this entry.BrianCLT (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose A separate article is more appropriate, as riots and protests are distinctly different things. This article handles the riots, an additional one might handle protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.161.152 (talk) 17:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The article title should at the very least reflect the definitions of the words riot/protest as defined on Wiki itself. "Where protests are part of a systematic and peaceful nonviolent campaign to achieve a particular objective, and involve the use of pressure as well as persuasion, they go beyond mere protest". "A riot is a form of civil disorder commonly characterized by a group lashing out in a violent public disturbance against authority, property or people." Iceness (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose You can't call all the damage that has occurred and what the media and police are calling Rioting and protest. The article already sites damage and victims of the riots. Also anyone can listen and watch the people on the ground and police audio and see this is more than a protest. From Merriam-Webster Definition of riot (Entry 1 of 2)

1a: a violent public disorder specifically : a tumultuous disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled together and acting with a common intent b: public violence, tumult, or disorderBurrkilla2 (talk) 18:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)Burrkilla2

• Oppose Mainstream media outlets and Google search are brainwashing americans into thinking that mayhem is protest. No! It's rioting when there is looting and destruction of private property! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Premedios (talk • contribs) 18:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose What happened in Kenosha was violence and destruction of property. That's the definition of a riot. Protests are peaceful. LegionaryIX (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Violence is the definition of what's happening. Businesses destroyed and people have been assaulted. These are riots - period. 2605:A000:1005:3A0:58AF:A892:1568:DD05 (talk) 18:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Destruction of property, assault and arson imply a degree of lawlessness. A protest usually takes place in a designated area with co-ordination between protesters, law enforcement and local authorities. I fail to see the validity of an argument consisting of 'it's largely peaceful, so it's a protest'. Let's review this article against the light of Misplaced Pages's greatest strength, i.e. factual accuracy. Harachte (talk) 18:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Black rioters are running through town, destroying property, lighting buildings on fire, attacking White people and Police officers, and robbing stores. This is not a protest. It is a violent racially motivated riot. Special:Contributions/2600:1000:B104:7F41:25BB:659:E12D:9233 (talk) 19:25 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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edit made by 18:22, 25 August 2020‎ 47.198.76.125 which just added a link to autism

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 19:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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