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== Ableton Live == |
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I just added a section on Sasha's present use of ] for his live sets. He seems to be the first major DJ routinely mixing with a computer instead of decks, so it really sets him apart from other DJ's. This is my first major edit, so I hope it's appropriate! — ] 20:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:Are there any citations for this?--] 16:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:: It is widely known in the EDM community that sasha uses Live, ive seen his monitors and he was running Live, plus there's a lot of pictures on the net with him using it, pluus pluus, I think is mentioned on Ableton's site. ] 21:16, 4 June 2006 (EST) |
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*I'm doing some major rewriting, sourcing and everything. If anyone has any especially useful links to articles/interviews or whatever involving Sasha, that'd be great. Info regarding Sasha and Digweed's relationship, touring, and stuff about Sasha's youth would be especially useful. ] 22:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC) |
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==Draft== |
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I put up what I have so far. I realize that the citations aren't in the correct format, but I will fix that in later versions. Any resources, online articles, other sourced information, etc. would be awesome! ] 22:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC) |
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*Okies, I completed what I needed to do on my subpage, so this is no longer undergoing a rewrite elsewhere. ] 21:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==] Nomination== |
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{{WikiProject Wales|importance= Mid}} |
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I've nominated this for Good Article for hopes of feedback and getting some recognition for it. The peer review didn't generate any user feedback aside from automated feedback. I'd like to get this up to FA status, but can't really do that if I never get any feedback/other editors involved in this. ] 03:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I saw your comment and just thought i'd say that you haven't done anything wrong by nominating it for a GA, just taking a cursory glance at it, the article seems GA worthy, but since its at the top of the list, it wouldn't be fair for me to immedietly review it :/. ] 05:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Good article nominee== |
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I would pass this as a good article but it has two major problems: (1) The second lead paragraph is totally POV. ] (2) The "Influence" section in only one paragraph, and really should be merged with the Early Years section, since it is expansion (and retread) or that topic.--] 18:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC) |
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*Heya thanks for the feedback. I merged the "Influence" section throughout to appropriate locations. I also attempted to fix the second lead paragraph. Please tell me if you have any further suggestions. ] 18:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC) |
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==date format== |
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according to the manual of style the birthdate should be in () like: |
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*Serena Williams (born September 26, 1981) |
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Course it's pretty dorky to read: |
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*Sasha, born Alexander Coe (born September 4, 1969), is a Welsh DJ |
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What about: |
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*Alexander Coe (AKA Sasha) (born September 4, 1969), is a Welsh DJ |
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I think the way it is written now would imply Sasha is his legal name which I don't think you've indicated, and is it more normally dj sasha or just sasha? The disambigulation page implies dj sasha. |
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BTW amazing work with the article so far. thanks. --] 19:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC) |
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*Hmm, well, ] is a common nickname or a "diminutive version" of "Alexander", so I think Esprit15d's change to |
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:Alexander "Sasha" Coe (born September 4, 1969) |
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is consistent with nicknames (I've never read anything that's lead me to believe he actually ''legally'' changed his name. Most often in articles I've read, CDs/records, and such, he is almost always referred to as "Sasha" as opposed to "DJ Sasha". I don't think any of his mix album covers/credits have ever called him "DJ Sasha". As a side note, over the past ten years or so, prefacing your name/artist name with "DJ" has become a bit ]. ] 20:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== GA Nom == |
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Good article, nicely referenced, good writing, but most of the images need (better) fair use rationales. -] 15:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC) |
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*Alritey, I'll write in some more detailed descriptions of fair use. ] 18:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC) |
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*Okies, I think I've written some fair-use claims up to the par of music bio FAs/GAs I've looked at. ] 19:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC) |
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The album covers and DVD need better ones I think. -] 19:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC) |
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*Are they sufficient now? Thanks for your help guys! ] 21:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC) |
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I'm satisfied. -] 06:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC) |
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*Awesome. I re-classified this from GA-actors to GA-bands as I think thats a more accurate description of a DJ. If anyone thinks I'm mistaken feel free to change it. ] 23:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC) |
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**Doesn't seem to be listed at ]... (I was going to fix the link). Or am I somehow missing it? --] 16:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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::*I guess the guy who passed it forgot to put it in there? I just added it there. ] 16:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== Auto Peer Review == |
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== FA in need of review == |
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This older FA on a living person has not been reviewed since its promotion in 2007. |
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The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic ], and <font color="red">may or may not be accurate</font> for the article in question. |
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*The article does not comprehensively cover the artist's work that came out after the article's promotion (there are only single-mentions of '']'', '']'' and '']'' in the article. There is coverage out there of these works).<br> |
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*<s>Per ], there should be a non-breaking space - <code>&nbsp;</code> between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of ''18mm'', use ''18 mm'', which when you are editing the page, should look like: <tt>18&nbsp;mm</tt>.<ref name="nbsp">See footnote</ref></s> |
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*The article is also very dated for a BLP-FA: |
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*Per ] and ], years with full dates should be linked; for example, link ], ], but do not link January 2006.<ref name="linkdate">See footnote</ref> |
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:*{{tq| now regularly receives}} - 2006 source; |
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*<s>Watch for ] that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's ].)</s> |
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:*{{tq|These tracks...are edited by Sasha}} - 2006 source; |
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**<s>While additive terms like “also”, “in addition”, “additionally”, “moreover”, and “furthermore” may sometimes be useful, overusing them when they aren't necessary can instead detract from the brilliancy of the article. This article has 15 additive terms, a bit too much.</s> |
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:*{{tq|Sasha runs a music studio and lives in New York City, and maintains a house in London.}} - 2004 source |
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**<s>Vague terms of size often are unnecessary and redundant - “some”, “a variety/number/majority of”, “several”, “a few”, “many”, “any”, and “all”. For example, “<font color='red'><s>All</s></font> pigs are pink, so we thought of <font color='red'><s>a number of</s></font> ways to turn them green.”</s> |
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:*{{tq|Sasha attributes his success to his technical skill and ability to "connect with his dancers".}} - 2000 source. --> In a 2000 interview, Sasha attributed... |
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*<s>As done in ], footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the ], but not mandatory), such that there is no space inbetween. For example, ''the sun is larger than the moon .'' is usually written as ''the sun is larger than the moon.''</s> |
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*There are so few links dated after 2008 in the article, you'd think the artist retired a decade ago. From a Google search: |
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*<s>Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of ]. See also ]. {{#if:{{{1|}}}|For example, |
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You may wish to browse through ] for further ideas. Thanks, ] <small><sup>(])</sup></small> 03:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:* - apparently he is so big he has recent coverage such as "10 iconic Sasha moments", where is named as "The original superstar DJ"; |
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:*''Life After Dark: A History of British Nightclubs & Music Venues'', D Haslam, 2015 |
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... The article needs an update to reflect ongoing coverage of the artist. ] (]) 14:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC) |
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*Alrite, I fixed all the stuff I could find. I removed a good deal of redundancies I couldn't find any years with full dates that weren't linked properly, nor could I find any inappropriately placed footnotes. Could someone point me to them? ] 04:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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** Footnotes 1-4 all have issues :). They should go immediatly after the punctiation. Go ahead and strike out stuff above when its complete. -] <small><sup>(])</sup></small> 04:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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***Thank you muchly. I think I got everything except whatever the date linking issue may be. ] 05:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC) |
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The date of birth needs a proper reference. Allmusic, Discogs, etc, aren't generally considered reliable sources. ] (]) 10:12, 21 November 2021 (UTC) |
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*"Sasha" is a Russian nickname for Alexander that his mother called him. I'm not sure how/if this should be mentioned in the article. ] 19:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Hatfield College == |
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==COMMENTS IN ALL CAPS FROM ANON EDITOR== |
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*JAMES ZABIELA INFLUENCED KIMBALL COLLINS? CLEARLY THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE IS COMPLETELY CLUELESS, HAS NO SENSE OF TIME (OR THE FACT THAT COLLINS WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF HIS SUCCESS WHEN ZABIELA WAS STILL AT SCHOOL), AND PROBABLY WROTE THIS WHOLE PAGE AFTER READING A FEW BOOKS!!! {{unsigned|86.11.80.36}} |
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*Yes, I did write it after reading a few books. And online articles. And listening to Sasha's music for the past 10 years. I did fix the line in question - I can see how it was misleading. Collins was clearly popular before any influence from Sasha, which is why Collins is described as "already popular". As for whether or not Sasha in fact had an influence on Collins, I suggest you take that up with Bill Brewster, who wrote the book I got that from. ] 16:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC) |
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"Sasha passed the entrance exam for Hatfield College at age 17. However, he did not like Epsom and left before completing his A-Level examinations." |
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*There was recently added info added by an anon editor. I am removing it as I can't find any sources for it. ] 18:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Problems: The source doesn't mention Hatfield College or Epsom: it says he moved to ] age 11 and back to Wales age 17. There is no Hatfield College in ]. There was a "Hatfield Technical College"/"Hatfield College of Technology" at Hatfield in Hertfordshire, a long way from either Epsom or Maidenhead, and ] is part of the university. |
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So this couple of sentences doesn't really make any sense as far as I can see. ]] 15:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Good job cleaning this up and making it accessible to a general audience. I learned a lot about Sasha and electronic dance music just by reading the article and wound up wanting to listen to some of his music. I'd love to see it featured on the main page some time. ] 19:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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*Thank you for your kind words! Do you still object on the FAC? ] 20:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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**No, I don't at this point. It's already better than some articles that have recently been on the front page. However, if it appears I still object, because I didn't strike through the correct line, feel free to correct via strike throughs on the FAC page as needed. You still have some work to do, I will post comments, but I enjoyed the article, it's well-written, it's researched properly, it's neutral, the language is rich, the topic is the right scope for an article, and, most amazing! and proper!, you quoted words and phrases that you used from other sources, absolutely necessary, but not always properly done in a lot of Misplaced Pages articles. ] 20:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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The date of birth needs a proper reference. Allmusic, Discogs, etc, aren't generally considered reliable sources. Deb (talk) 10:12, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
"Sasha passed the entrance exam for Hatfield College at age 17. However, he did not like Epsom and left before completing his A-Level examinations."
Problems: The source doesn't mention Hatfield College or Epsom: it says he moved to Maidenhead age 11 and back to Wales age 17. There is no Hatfield College in Epsom. There was a "Hatfield Technical College"/"Hatfield College of Technology" until 1969 at Hatfield in Hertfordshire, a long way from either Epsom or Maidenhead, and Hatfield College, Durham is part of the university.
