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	== el ~~Che~~ ==		== Views in Argentina ==

	CTR+F and search for "el che"; my point is that his monicker, war name, nickname, or whatever, in spanish is El Che; The Che, not just Che. Thoughts?
			I travelled extensively in Argentina and the views on Guevara were unanimous; he is rarely mentioned there and is certainly not a source of pride. Many I met described him as a "psychopath" who enjoyed killing people. He apparently told his father that he "enjoyed the smell of cordite and blood" after he had shot someone through the head.
			Not sure if this is worth extra exploration. ] (]) 17:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

			:It definitely isn't, I for one know plenty of Argentinians that are in awe of Guevara. Hearsay is not worth being mentioned on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 12:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
			::Che was a psychopath who enjoyed killing people. He was also a homophobic and racist who hated black people. This is not hearsay. He publicly executed innocent Cubans by gunshot in front of many witnesses as a warning to anyone who tried to oppose their new government. ] (]) 11:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
			<s>Striking out material from block evader.</s> ] (]) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			:{{ping\|Grandpallama}} Although I agree that the heresay is irrelevant to our article, I looked at the IP and saw no evidence of block evasion. Is there a link that shows it? If so, it would be helpful if that is mentioned on the IP's talk page in case that editor continues making edits. --] (]) 00:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			::], the editor is unlikely to show up with this particular IP again, as it's not static. That said, it's been pointed out to me that the age of the edit is such that I'm probably causing confusion more than helping (which makes sense); I only noticed today that he'd become active again for a while last year and was clearly overzealous ]. I've reverted my strikethrough. ] (]) 06:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::Okay. --] (]) 06:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

			== Che was a mass murderer ==

			Please add that Che Guevara was a mass murderer in the first sentence of this article. He should be put in the same category as Hitler. the sentence should read as follows:

			was an Argentine ] Mass Murderer, physician, author, ] leader, diplomat, and ]. ] (]) 04:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

			:When was he convicted of being a mass murderer? ] (]) 05:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			::in Cuba he lined up innocent people against a wall “pared” and executed them without a trial for the public to witness. My Cuban family witnessed these executions and knew people who disappeared. He forced at gunpoint the removal of families from their homes. The only way to enforce socialism is to take away everything the people own by execution and physical violence. No one will willingly give the government their possessions. What I stated are facts. ] (]) 11:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::Then it shouldn't be hard for you to provide some reliable sources here. Facts aren't hard to find in reliable sources. ] (]) 12:48, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
			::::Lots of sources exist, but they're very easy for you to ignore. ] (]) 01:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::If you have sources, ]. ] (]) 00:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Alvaro Vargas LLosa, ''The Killing Machine; Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand"'' (Independent Insitiute:July 11, 2005, https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=1535)

			::::::Guillermina Stutter Schneider. ''Che Was a Racist, Homophobe, and Mass Murderer'' (Human Progress: December 15, 2017, https://humanprogress.org/the-truth-about-che-guevara-racist-homophobe-and-mass-murderer/)

			::::::Troy J. Sacquety, ''Che Guevara: A False Idol for Revolutionaries'' (U.S Army Special Forces Command History Office: 2008, https://arsof-history.org/articles/v4n4_false_idol_page_1.html#fn:2)

			::::::These three sources support the idea that Che was ruthless, brutal, and guilty of more than enough human rights violations to earn multiple in-depth paragraphs for this article.
			::::::] (]) 03:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Semantic Error ==

			<ref></ref>{{Edit semi-protected\|Che Guevara\|answered=yes}}
			Please change "Cause of death Execution by shooting" to
			"Cause of death Elimination by shooting"

			Che Guevara's capture and immediate execution without a legal trial would be more accurately described as an extrajudicial killing which is considered a form of murder. This differs from a lawful execution which typically involves a formal trial. ] (]) 05:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I replaced it with ] (per what's covered in the article's body). ] (]) 15:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			::Can you also take care of the "Battles/wars" section, where he was labeled to be executed after a conviction. ] (]) 10:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

			== Interview with Tucker Carlson - Ex-CIA Agent Felix Rodriguez on Che Guevara death ==
			Ex-CIA Agent on Capturing Che Guevara, Who Truly Killed JFK, and Election Predictions

			https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwohQJrJeo8&ab_channel=TuckerCarlson
	== Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2020 ==

			] was executed in 1967 in a remote Bolivian village. One of the last people to speak to him alive was CIA officer ]. Here’s his story.
	{{edit semi-protected\|Che Guevara\|answered=yes}}
	Under the "Capture and Death" heading, change "...two battalions numbering 1,800 soldiers..." to "...two battalions numbering 180 soldiers..." (number should be decreased by 90%).
	Time Magazine (https://time.com/4970857/report-1967-death-che-guevara/) ] (]) 20:41, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
	:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Two companies are also a very different force from two battalions. ] ] ] 22:21, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

			Felix Rodriguez worked for the CIA until 1976.
	== Changing of terminology in lead ==
	As per ] I made the following . Reason for this is the current terminology suggests that the only people who criticise Che are right wingers. In my opinion it undermines the ] of the article to confine criticism and/or opposition to Che (and his legacy) to one side of the political spectrum. <strong>The following is the current terminology:</strong><br>
	"''Guevara has evolved into a quintessential icon of various ] movements. In contrast, his ideological critics on ] accuse him of ] and sanctifying violence against his political opponents.''"<br>
	<strong>I recommend a change to something along the lines of:</strong><br>
	"''Guevara's legacy is a controversial one: to some it has evolved into a quintessential icon of some ] movement; others highlight his ], his sanctifying violence against his political opponents and his ] as Cuban Finance Minister.''" ] (]) 10:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
	:{{reply to\|Guettarda}} Hi, thanks for your input in your , do you happen to have any thoughts on alternative terminology? ] (]) 10:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
	:: ], '''I disagree''' for a myriad of reasons. Your proposal ignores that his status as a leftist icon is because of the reasons stated in the earlier part of the sentence (perceived martyrdom etc), and randomly cuts the line into an incomplete sentence. As Misplaced Pages it is our aim to write generally and represent the majority of the reliable sources on the matter. And the vast majority of those all say that Che’s status is often seen from the left or right perspective of an individual’s personal politics, i.e. that he is a polarizing figure often divided in a binary way down partisan lines. Hundreds of sources could be located attesting to this. The wording is saying that in contrast, those on the right believe the opposite, not that there universally aren’t critics of Guevara who fall outside of the right. But every minor obscure facet of the issue is not noteworthy in a brief encyclopedia entry. This wording came about after an editor attempted to include several far-right editorials about Guevara, and it is an attempt to include that dimension of the debate. Your wording declaratively calls his Finance Minister stint “unsuccessful”, and states explicitly that he was authoritarian (both in wikis voice), which are not our call to make as editors. However, it appears that another editor has already reverted your addition, stating “it makes it worse, not better”.  ] ] (]) 08:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for your response. I'll answer each criticism along the lines you've set out. <br>
	I accept wholeheartedly my sentence structure may not have been the most 'successful' and will work to improve it. But in regards to 'ignoring reasons', I think that's not legitimate; I don't think we need to repeatedly state in the lead why people like Che, and I don't agree that my suggested text (though I accept structural criticisms of it) undermines anything. <br>
	I am yet to see any ] in the article that supports your claim of criticism deriving and individual's personal politics. Furthermore your claim is undermined by the statements in the existing "Che Guevara legacy" section of this page as well as the "Legacy of Che Guevara" dedicated page itself. You simply cannot say that that it's "often divided in a binary way down partisan lines".<br>
	The terminology makes suggestions beyond what it says 'on paper', we don't so crudely define criticism to political/historical figures based upon the politics of the individual making those criticisms, when the nature of those criticisms are not ]. To give an example, much of the criticism of Nelson Mandela comes from the political right both in South Africa and further afield. However we don't make the crude statement about that criticism being "often divided in a binary way down partisan lines" there or anywhere else. So your statement is not only incorrect, but also creates a weird 'special standard' in the case of Che, it doesn't make sense.<br>
	I cannot comment on previous edits that I am not responsible for.<br>
	My statement regarding his time as Finance Minister is a paraphrase from a ] found lower down on the page itself (See section Economic vision and the "New Man"). To quote what's written there already "Whatever the merits or demerits of Guevara's economic principles, his programs were unsuccessful...". If the programs you implement as a minister are widely deemed to be unsuccessful by reliable sources, I don't think it's out of order or controversial for me to say that his stint was unsuccessful. <br>
	I am aware that another editor wasn't in favour of the change, however without a deeper explanation of what the problem actually is, it doesn't serve anyone. ] (]) 12:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
	::I agree with Alssa1. That line lacks in neutrality. You really think political moderates and moderate liberals aren’t critical of Che Guevara as well?] (]) 22:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

			] (]) 16:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
	== Family history? ==

			:That's not a reliable source. ] (]) 16:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
	The first part of the early life section lists his father's surname as Lynch, but then links to his mother's ancestor Patrick Lynch?
			::It is his own testimony!!! ] (]) 16:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
	Does this suggest that Che Guevara's mother and father were closely related cousins?
	] (]) 14:56, 7 ~~February~~ ~~2021~~ (UTC)		:::That's not how ] works. ] (]) 16:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::Edit conflict, "please provide the acronym that supports your logic". LOL. ] (]) 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::Specifically see points 1 and 2:
			::::{{tq\|1. The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim 2. It does not involve claims about third parties;}} ] (]) 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Wow, you know how to make pretty colored text. I am impressed. LOL. Thanks for making my day, ] LOL. ] (]) 17:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

			;South Park: Officer Barbrady - There's nothing to see here.
	== Capture and Death ==
	Much of this section lacks a neutral point of view. It is taken from a single account of someone with a bias from the Left. The piece appeared in the New Left magazine ] titled, "In Cold Blood: The Execution of Che by the CIA". The article has no footnotes or proofs offered.] (]) 01:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
	:That part appears to have 12 different sources, which seems plenty for a subsection. I'm very confused by what you mean with "a single account with a bias from the Left". ] (]) 00:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
	::Where is the left wing bias exactly ? Did Che Guevara die of old age ? Was he judged in a court of law ? Or was he indeed tortured and murdered by the CIA ? ] (]) 19:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

			https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6RWSiR88s&ab_channel=MiamiBadBoyBOSS
	== Luis Peralta was never the Mayor of Oakland ==
	{{resolved}}
	Inaccurate text "Through his father, he was a descendant of Luis María Peralta, an early 19th century Mayor of San Jose, California"

			] (]) 18:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
	Spanish/Mexican Sargent Luis Peralta was the grantee of Rancho San Antonio in 1820 https://en.wikipedia.org/Rancho_San_Antonio_(Peralta). This included later Oakland, California. He never lived in the area and died in 1851 https://en.wikipedia.org/Luis_Mar%C3%ADa_Peralta The first mayor of Oakland was attorney and master scammer Horace Carpentier https://en.wikipedia.org/Horace_Carpentier <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: Cv4wheeler, the wording has now been adjusted to omit the Mayor issue entirely.  ] ] (]) 04:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

			== Lies & propaganda surrounding Che. ==
	== Clarifying language in the introduction ==

			https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/che-guevara-executing-women/
	In the first paragraph of the introduction, it should say "naturalised" (or naturalized) rather nationalised. To naturalize is to adopt a nationality not held at birth, while to nationalise means to cede control of something to the nation.

			Example number 1: The link listed above where the accusation of him “Killing 2 woman” came out including him being accused of being a mass murderer (which is false, the people executed weren't innocent and were those working with Batista, war criminals etc.
	In the final paragraph of the introduction, the word 'sanctify' is incorrect. To sanctify means to make holy or sacred. I think the author might have meant 'sanction', but that still is a bit unclear. So I suggest 'accused of promoting authoritarianism and endorsing violence'. ] (]) 02:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

			Example number 2: The accusation that he was responsible for the UMAP camps/Imprisonment of homosexuals.
	I realize I should have made this an edit request - apologies! ] (]) 03:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
			in 1965 Che resigned his position as minister of industries and went to the Congo. He wasn't in Cuba during the operations of the camps and nor was he involved, Castro later took accountability for these camps stating how he failed the LGBT community in Cuba. ] (]) 16:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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Views in Argentina

I travelled extensively in Argentina and the views on Guevara were unanimous; he is rarely mentioned there and is certainly not a source of pride. Many I met described him as a "psychopath" who enjoyed killing people. He apparently told his father that he "enjoyed the smell of cordite and blood" after he had shot someone through the head. Not sure if this is worth extra exploration. 86.153.86.158 (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It definitely isn't, I for one know plenty of Argentinians that are in awe of Guevara. Hearsay is not worth being mentioned on Misplaced Pages. 2A02:1811:C1F:8200:3564:4278:E78B:F860 (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Che was a psychopath who enjoyed killing people. He was also a homophobic and racist who hated black people. This is not hearsay. He publicly executed innocent Cubans by gunshot in front of many witnesses as a warning to anyone who tried to oppose their new government. Hectorgavilla (talk) 11:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

~~Striking out material from block evader.~~ Grandpallama (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Grandpallama: Although I agree that the heresay is irrelevant to our article, I looked at the IP and saw no evidence of block evasion. Is there a link that shows it? If so, it would be helpful if that is mentioned on the IP's talk page in case that editor continues making edits. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

David Tornheim, the editor is unlikely to show up with this particular IP again, as it's not static. That said, it's been pointed out to me that the age of the edit is such that I'm probably causing confusion more than helping (which makes sense); I only noticed today that he'd become active again for a while last year and was clearly overzealous in wanting to scrub his unproductive contributions. I've reverted my strikethrough. Grandpallama (talk) 06:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay. --David Tornheim (talk) 06:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Che was a mass murderer

Please add that Che Guevara was a mass murderer in the first sentence of this article. He should be put in the same category as Hitler. the sentence should read as follows:

was an Argentine Marxist Mass Murderer, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat, and military theorist. Hectorgavilla (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

When was he convicted of being a mass murderer? HiLo48 (talk) 05:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

in Cuba he lined up innocent people against a wall “pared” and executed them without a trial for the public to witness. My Cuban family witnessed these executions and knew people who disappeared. He forced at gunpoint the removal of families from their homes. The only way to enforce socialism is to take away everything the people own by execution and physical violence. No one will willingly give the government their possessions. What I stated are facts. Hectorgavilla (talk) 11:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to provide some reliable sources here. Facts aren't hard to find in reliable sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 12:48, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Lots of sources exist, but they're very easy for you to ignore. 73.100.184.209 (talk) 01:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

If you have sources, WP:PROVEIT. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Alvaro Vargas LLosa, The Killing Machine; Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand" (Independent Insitiute:July 11, 2005, https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=1535)

Guillermina Stutter Schneider. Che Was a Racist, Homophobe, and Mass Murderer (Human Progress: December 15, 2017, https://humanprogress.org/the-truth-about-che-guevara-racist-homophobe-and-mass-murderer/)

Troy J. Sacquety, Che Guevara: A False Idol for Revolutionaries (U.S Army Special Forces Command History Office: 2008, https://arsof-history.org/articles/v4n4_false_idol_page_1.html#fn:2)

These three sources support the idea that Che was ruthless, brutal, and guilty of more than enough human rights violations to earn multiple in-depth paragraphs for this article.

Aldrich.Faithful (talk) 03:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Please change "Cause of death Execution by shooting" to "Cause of death Elimination by shooting"

Che Guevara's capture and immediate execution without a legal trial would be more accurately described as an extrajudicial killing which is considered a form of murder. This differs from a lawful execution which typically involves a formal trial. Thirdfemalelead (talk) 05:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Done I replaced it with extrajudicial killing (per what's covered in the article's body). M.Bitton (talk) 15:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you also take care of the "Battles/wars" section, where he was labeled to be executed after a conviction. LackOfInspiration1 (talk) 10:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Interview with Tucker Carlson - Ex-CIA Agent Felix Rodriguez on Che Guevara death

Ex-CIA Agent on Capturing Che Guevara, Who Truly Killed JFK, and Election Predictions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwohQJrJeo8&ab_channel=TuckerCarlson

Che Guevara was executed in 1967 in a remote Bolivian village. One of the last people to speak to him alive was CIA officer Felix Rodriguez (former CIA agent). Here’s his story.

Felix Rodriguez worked for the CIA until 1976.

Ironcurtain2 (talk) 16:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not a reliable source. Simonm223 (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

It is his own testimony!!! Ironcurtain2 (talk) 16:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not how WP:ABOUTSELF works. Simonm223 (talk) 16:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit conflict, "please provide the acronym that supports your logic". LOL. Ironcurtain2 (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Specifically see points 1 and 2:

1. The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim 2. It does not involve claims about third parties; Simonm223 (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wow, you know how to make pretty colored text. I am impressed. LOL. Thanks for making my day, User:Simonm223 LOL. Ironcurtain2 (talk) 17:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

South Park: Officer Barbrady - There's nothing to see here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6RWSiR88s&ab_channel=MiamiBadBoyBOSS

Ironcurtain2 (talk) 18:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Lies & propaganda surrounding Che.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/che-guevara-executing-women/

Example number 1: The link listed above where the accusation of him “Killing 2 woman” came out including him being accused of being a mass murderer (which is false, the people executed weren't innocent and were those working with Batista, war criminals etc.

Example number 2: The accusation that he was responsible for the UMAP camps/Imprisonment of homosexuals. in 1965 Che resigned his position as minister of industries and went to the Congo. He wasn't in Cuba during the operations of the camps and nor was he involved, Castro later took accountability for these camps stating how he failed the LGBT community in Cuba. Sproogli (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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