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== Precious anniversary ==
Anyone want to discuss my edits? Do so on my discussion page. I'll justify why I do what I do.


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It's five years now! --] (]) 06:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


... and six! --] (]) 07:32, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
==Note to Jance==
If ] still wishes to provide me with references for the Lupus article, please do so. Thanks, ] 21:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


... and seven --] (]) 06:41, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
== ] external links ==


== Ritual Abuse ==
I will grant you that some of these sites are OK as links. But the behavior of the editor is what led me to treat these contributions as spam. If you look at the speed of the edits, this is not a person reading our article, asking themselves "Will these links add to the information already there?", "Is there any content I can add to the article that will make adding this link unneccessary?". No, they're just spamming, the same conclusion that ] came to looking at this editor's similar contributions on December 12.


Dear WLU,
Since you re-added them, let me ask you "What information is contained in these links that doesn't belong in the article itself? See ]: "If the site or page you want to link to includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source first" and "Links should be kept to a minimum."
is my assumption correct that your of the opinion that faith based abuse doesn't occur? And why exactly would you come to that conclusion given the number of media reports, police investigations and court cases? As described in ] this type of abuse occurs in many communities. Subsets of the Nigerian community for example. I would just be very interested as to why it is that you want to present the topic in that manner. I would be very interested in talking to you or communicating via e-mail on this topic. Let me know if that would be of interest.--'''] ]''' 09:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I did also link the article ] for disambiguation in the article Ritual abuse, that you wrote 68 % of.--'''] ]''' 09:36, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
:I have no opinion on faith-based abuse. The satanic ritual abuse moral panic was a moral panic, and the few "real" cases were people dressing up in robes while raping children - not an organized satanic cult. In other words, the "ritual" aspects were secondary to the rape.
:I am not interested in communicating on this further. ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 13:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
::It's a bit premature to say ''welcome back'' but, hey, I have to work with I've got, so '''welcome back!''' ] (]) 23:59, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
::::Definitely not "welcome back", which is a pity. For wikipedia. Because I'm amazing. ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 15:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


::: It wasn't my intention to emphasise the "ritual" aspect of this. From what I understand mostly this has nothing to do with any kind of faith but rather with organised crime and power. However when it does occur that groups get to gather and in organised ways rape, torture and kill children and adults then the victims (if they survive) are often not believed because people find the article on ritual abuse and come to the conclusion that everything is made up. This is absolutely not fair and horrible for the victims and makes it hard to stop these crimes from going on... That is all I wanted to say. I would really like to collaborate on having an article next to satanic ritual abuse that described actual cases of extreme organised sexual absue, for which much evidence can be found in different countries and cultures from all over the world. I'll if I'll find someone else to work on that with then...--'''] ]''' 17:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Incidentally, I enjoyed your Five stages of Misplaced Pages. Cheers! -- ] | ] 15:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
::::My concern is that, while the ritual abuse moral panic is a distinct "thing", a social phenomena that is written about in a coherent manner in the scholarly literature. The ] page, in addition to its capitalization problems, seems to trip over two aspects of ], specifically ] and ]. As for being original research, a quick skim of the references, for instance, seem to be closer to the ] page than anything else (McFadyen 1993, Richardson, 2015, and Scott, 2001 are, from my recall, about the satanic ritual abuse moral panic, though from an uncritical believer perspective) and would likely be better placed there. The rest is just kind of a list of cultural practices that have no real link to each other. Are the lip plates of the Mursi tribe actually a form of "ritual child abuse"? Certainly tattooing young girls in the Apatani tribe so they would not be abducted doesn't strike me as even close to "ritual" abuse. And the definition of "abuse" is very culturally determined, since within a specific cultural context it might be seen as abusive to '''not''' give a child ritual tattoos, lip extenders, and neck rings. While I personally consider such practices distasteful, within the culture it's considered beautifying. Breast flattening is another example where it causes harm, but is done to preserve chastity. Where is the "ritual"? An overall comment or question would be, where is the ] that labels these things to be "ritual child abuse" rather than "cosmetic mutilation"? Right now it seems like it is the wikipedia editors who are putting these items into a bucket, when it should be the ''sources'' that do so.
::::And where do dowries come into it? Where is the ritual? Dowries are at least an economic issue more than they would seem to be a ritual practice. Why bring up fire-related deaths?
::::Overall the article strikes me as extremely problematic and based more on the beliefs of the editors writing the page rather than the consensus, or even disagreement, of relevant scholars. I don't see why there should be a page where all of these items are listed in a hodge-podge, rather than the information now found on the page simply being part of a section in a main article. ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 15:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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:No, the landed gentry bit is fine; I must admit that I didn't check out the enema link. And probably more people read your user page than you think-- I actually had a guy request a photo that I had removed from my page months before-- he'd seen it and came back looking for it.


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:Anyway, feel free to do as you like with these links-- as I said, I can see that they're potentially decent links, though I feel pretty sure that you'll find some whose contents are already well covered in the articles or in pre-existing external links. Happy editing! -- ] | ] 18:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


== Mystar == == Precious anniversary ==
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*Yeah but there is a difference between H.G. Wells and this not only that but this isn't the only penname he uses there are plenty of others he's got and we should use his real name like the H.G. Wells article. ] 18:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)jamhaw

And I quote...
"Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Misplaced Pages. For example, adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated".
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You my dear are not the sole arbiter of what is or isn't acceptable. Simply because you do not care for an opinion that is placed addressing the subject mater is not fodder for you to start another reverting binge. The fact that you may not like jamhaw’s wording or point is not relevant. What is relevant is that jamhaw posted where it was applicable, and gave an offering of opinion/thought, which is as stated in Wiki policy jamhaw’s right. It in no way falls into the category of vandalism. What does smack of vandalism is your removal of material aimed as improving Misplaced Pages. Now were that posted on the actual face page, bio page etc it would not be relevant and should be removed, but as you can see that was not the case. ] 05:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

ALso, didn't realize I wasn't signed in at the time...silly lil ole me! puters are such fickle critters....] 05:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

==please stop your personal attacks==
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I would kindly (again) ask that you coment on a topic or issue and stop calling me or others names. It is both disruptive and offensive to others. Not to mention it gives Misplaced Pages a bad name. Of note are "Personal attacks are not allowed on Misplaced Pages. Although users can ignore such attacks, repeat offenders may be banned".
Really the whole page will be of great help for you.
You can see it can be helpful in helping you adjust your behaviour of repeaded personal tounts and attacks.
Thank you ] 14:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

And {]}} are great rescorces to help

:You mean taunts. Read up on arbtration.

] 18:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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== Arbitration ==
I am attempting to pursue arbitration, from what I can guess it appears that I'm adding information to the ] page directly, between the line saying:

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<br>and the other line saying

<br><nowiki>// END TEMPLATE - copy text above (not this line) // --></nowiki>.

<br>Could I be corrected if I'm wrong please? Thanks. ] 21:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
:Looks correct. Obviously, you won't paste over the example code. ] (], ]) 22:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== Beginning of arbitration case (to be continued) ==

Note to Mystar: Please don't modify this text, or at least only modify your own sections. If you would prefer, begin a similar one on your own talk page. ] 21:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Case Name ===

: '''Initiated by ''' ] '''at''' 21:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

In process, will keep building over next several days - ]

==== Involved parties ====
; Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

provide diffs showing that the involved parties have been notified on their talk pages

#'''Informal mediation''' Other users have tried to moderate between us (though also other editors), notably , , .
#'''Discussion with third parties''' I had an extensive e-mail discussion with ], I am in the process of confirming this.
#'''''', also note Mystar's

* I have also made it to Mystar my frustrations with his edits.

Myself and Mystar are acrimonious and disruptive to pages we are involved in. I feel he is harrassing me.

==== Statement by WLU ====
Since I first began regularly contributing to Misplaced Pages, Mystar has been a disruptive presence. As I moved away from the ] page, where I first started editing, he has been monitoring my edits and I believe his actions constitute harrassment. Actions include:

:'''Wikistalking''' , and , and , and , and , and . These diffs documents several pages where he followed my contributions, though other diffs could show edits where the material was more aggravating than this.

:'''Incivility''' , and ,

::'''Calling me a girl after I stated I was ''' , and

:'''Use of policy in a punitive manner''' and

:'''Sockpuppeting''' , proof (would have to watch my contributions to be aware of my edit).

:'''Meatpuppeting''' , though I must take BM at his word.

:'''Editing comments on a talk page''' , and , and ,

:'''Commenting on user, not content''', this has been a constant, infuriating part of interacting with Mystar ,

:'''Incorrect facts''' had a wikipage, I found and added a reference.

:'''Harrasment''' is in regard to edit, where I added an introductory sentence that summarized the treatment section.

:'''Premature closure of debate''' ,

:''' the page back to his version, after I why I originally reverted his change.

I am also guilty of incivility on many occassions (worst is , sarcasm is , other diffs are in one of my ), and admit that I should not be. Mystar is the sole registered wikipedia editor who I am uncivil towards, though there is the occasional incivility to unregistered, repeat vandals. After months of this, I snapped and got sick the same thing without any change of his behaviour.

There is also a general editorializing that occurs within his commets and edit summaries, which I think are demonstrated above.

==== Statement by Mystar ====

: (Please limit your statement to 500 words. Overlong statements may be removed without warning by clerks or arbitrators and replaced by much shorter summaries. Remember to sign and date your statement.)

==== Clerk notes ====
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==== Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0) ====

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'''Meatpuppeting'''

'''Sockpuppeting''' , admits to it . The content I removed was completely irrelevant to the discussion and I originally removed it because the user had vandalised many previous . Also, since he was not logged in, in order for Mystar to have seen my reversion he would have to had checked my contributions, making this another example of wikistalking.

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One of many edits which don't make sense or are just blatantly incorrect , changing a wikilink into a redirect that takes you back to the original wikilink...

If is in reference to me, I don't think he's arrogant, I think incompetent and bellicose are more accurate.

is in reference to . The sentence I added summarized the paragraph on treatment and contained no information that was not already discussed below.

set of edits I just find condescending and irritating, but strictly speaking there is no unequivocal attacks or incivility here. Given our past history though, and my edit count being nearly four times his, I seriously doubt there is good intentions behind it.

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Please note that I usually don't do e-mail; if it's about wikipedia use my talk page.
If I judge it requires discretion, I'll contact you. This is tremendously one-sided. I assure you, I feel terrible about it. Really I do.
Note that my contributions are down a lot these days, I'm busy with other stuff, but otherwise fine. Also note that for some reason I'm not getting e-mail alerts when this page is edited, so for important issues please send me an e-mail directly.

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Precious anniversary

Three years ago ...
fringe topics
... you were recipient
no. 356 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

It's five years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

... and six! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

... and seven --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Ritual Abuse

Dear WLU, is my assumption correct that your of the opinion that faith based abuse doesn't occur? And why exactly would you come to that conclusion given the number of media reports, police investigations and court cases? As described in Ritual Child Abuse this type of abuse occurs in many communities. Subsets of the Nigerian community for example. I would just be very interested as to why it is that you want to present the topic in that manner. I would be very interested in talking to you or communicating via e-mail on this topic. Let me know if that would be of interest.--Sparrow (麻雀) 🐧 09:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC) I did also link the article Ritual child abuse for disambiguation in the article Ritual abuse, that you wrote 68 % of.--Sparrow (麻雀) 🐧 09:36, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I have no opinion on faith-based abuse. The satanic ritual abuse moral panic was a moral panic, and the few "real" cases were people dressing up in robes while raping children - not an organized satanic cult. In other words, the "ritual" aspects were secondary to the rape.
I am not interested in communicating on this further. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 13:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
It's a bit premature to say welcome back but, hey, I have to work with I've got, so welcome back! Johnuniq (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Definitely not "welcome back", which is a pity. For wikipedia. Because I'm amazing. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 15:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
It wasn't my intention to emphasise the "ritual" aspect of this. From what I understand mostly this has nothing to do with any kind of faith but rather with organised crime and power. However when it does occur that groups get to gather and in organised ways rape, torture and kill children and adults then the victims (if they survive) are often not believed because people find the article on ritual abuse and come to the conclusion that everything is made up. This is absolutely not fair and horrible for the victims and makes it hard to stop these crimes from going on... That is all I wanted to say. I would really like to collaborate on having an article next to satanic ritual abuse that described actual cases of extreme organised sexual absue, for which much evidence can be found in different countries and cultures from all over the world. I'll if I'll find someone else to work on that with then...--Sparrow (麻雀) 🐧 17:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
My concern is that, while the ritual abuse moral panic is a distinct "thing", a social phenomena that is written about in a coherent manner in the scholarly literature. The Ritual Child Abuse page, in addition to its capitalization problems, seems to trip over two aspects of WP:NOT, specifically WP:OR and WP:NOTDIR. As for being original research, a quick skim of the references, for instance, seem to be closer to the satanic ritual abuse page than anything else (McFadyen 1993, Richardson, 2015, and Scott, 2001 are, from my recall, about the satanic ritual abuse moral panic, though from an uncritical believer perspective) and would likely be better placed there. The rest is just kind of a list of cultural practices that have no real link to each other. Are the lip plates of the Mursi tribe actually a form of "ritual child abuse"? Certainly tattooing young girls in the Apatani tribe so they would not be abducted doesn't strike me as even close to "ritual" abuse. And the definition of "abuse" is very culturally determined, since within a specific cultural context it might be seen as abusive to not give a child ritual tattoos, lip extenders, and neck rings. While I personally consider such practices distasteful, within the culture it's considered beautifying. Breast flattening is another example where it causes harm, but is done to preserve chastity. Where is the "ritual"? An overall comment or question would be, where is the reliable source that labels these things to be "ritual child abuse" rather than "cosmetic mutilation"? Right now it seems like it is the wikipedia editors who are putting these items into a bucket, when it should be the sources that do so.
And where do dowries come into it? Where is the ritual? Dowries are at least an economic issue more than they would seem to be a ritual practice. Why bring up fire-related deaths?
Overall the article strikes me as extremely problematic and based more on the beliefs of the editors writing the page rather than the consensus, or even disagreement, of relevant scholars. I don't see why there should be a page where all of these items are listed in a hodge-podge, rather than the information now found on the page simply being part of a section in a main article. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 15:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious
Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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