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			== Should be protected? ==
	I'm just going to note here that the article would be greatly improved by changing the table in the Box office section to ]. I'm not ready to do it myself yet, and I don't want to slap a big ugly ] tag on it, so I mention it here in case anyone is feeling enthusiastic and might do it before I eventually get around to it. -- ] (]) 13:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

			Reverted a defacement claiming it was a 'documentary'. How do I propose locking a page? ] (]) 20:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
	== Legacy ==

			:] is over thataway, but FWIW when I look at the edit history I'm not seeing a very strong case for protecting it at this time. Cheers. ] (]) 02:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
	The whole Legacy section is leftist gibberish and a good example of the POV problem that plagues Misplaced Pages. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	: You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The fact is it happened, many leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film made comparisons between this film and Trump and this was all reported in ] publications. Take a look at ] and enjoy the Trump references in that article instead. -- ] (]) 04:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

			Why do the characters' descriptions describe their positions at the end of the movie? ] (]) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
	:So yes, it is a "fact" that some Hollywood people and leftist commentators have political opinions. This is a common journalistic technique in use today—reporting someone's political narrative (i.e., opinion) and claiming it as a fact in the sense that the person actually said it. Is it really surprising or notable that leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film (i.e., Hollywood types) made comparisons between this film and Trump? I don't think so. IMHO, the Legacy section is merely promoting a political narrative that Trump and his supporters are idiots, and I don't think the section is appropriate for this Misplaced Pages article. —] (]) 12:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
	:: It received substantial coverage and was picked up by various publications which Misplaced Pages considers notable. There are more than enough reasons to justify it being there.
	:: The section even includes a commentator who took the point and chastised leftists for being so simplistic about it. You can criticize the comparison but when various commentators including the filmmakers have made such comparisons you can't ignore it or exclude it.
	:: Perhaps the section title "Legacy" sounds too serious but it is not meant to be and that section title is used across various film articles (other potential section titles like "Influence" end up not sounding serious enough)
	:: There's room for improvement and I'd prefer if the section had other references, and think the film was mentioned in politics in other contexts too, but unfortunately I haven't found sources that might allow me to broaden the scope of the section. -- ] (]) 22:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

			== Categorize under Films about time travel ==
	:::I do agree that it is leftist gibberish because the articles mentioned come from leftist sources. However, since the advent of Obama, people on the right have been using Idiocracy in their opinions for years. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			While there is no ''actual'' time travel in Idiocracy, it is an important part of the plot and a prevalent theme of the film. The phrase "time machine" is currently used in the article four times.
	]. More attempts to vandalize the Legacy section from someone acting a lot like a hurt little snowflake.
			Given that ] is described as listing "the titles of films that include the theme of time travel," Idiocracy belongs in the category. ] (]) 14:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
	If there are reliable sources offering other perspectives or analysis of I'd love to add them to the article too. There's simply no good reason to ignore this widely reported perspective on the film, a view that was shared by the writer and director of the film. -- ] (]) 17:06, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

			:It's difficult for me to believe that that category is intended to include films in which no time travel occurs. That said, are there other films within that category that feature no time travel? ] (]) 17:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
	== Film intro in the plot? ==
			::I don't know if there are others in the list that don't include time travel (or only include suspended animation). But I don't see how that should exclude a film from a list, given that the list is described as "This category lists the titles of films that include the theme of time travel." If that description is inadequate, and the category should only include films in which time travel occurs, then maybe the description should be revised. Though, of course, then we'd really want to be sure that there are no others on the list, and that's not really the subject to discus here.

			::I just wanted to mention that Idiocracy takes the #2 spot on .
	It's arguable a synopsys of the first 5 minutes of the film should go into the Plot section. While they don't form part of the main story arc, they set the background for rest of the film, especially the conclusion. A potential paragraph is below that, if consensus is found, could go into the article ''mutandi mutandis''. Viewing the film itself will show that there is no analysis, evaluation, interpretation or synthesis here, and we should continue to respect ] ] (]) 05:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
			::It also makes top 10 in a poll of . That's user generated, but shows that many people think of Idiocracy as a time travel movie.
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			::And it's #9 in . ] (]) 03:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:::If another reasonably experienced editor chimes in supporting the inclusion of the category (you're welcome to consider asking at ], I won't push back against it, but until that time I maintain that time travel isn't so much a theme of the film as it is a plot device used to get to the point in time that the majority of the plot focuses upon. ] (]) 05:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
	Society has a problem: more-intelligent people are producing less offspring. ] was rewarding those who reproduce the most. By example: Trevor and Carol (IQ 138 and IQ 141 respectively) remain upbeat while at first delaying, then later struggling and failing to procreate. Clevon (IQ 84) cheats on his wife and mother to several children Trish with the neighbour Britrney, and later Mackenzie, fathering more children. Even an accident involving a jet ski, an iron gate and his crotch didn't curtail Clevon's reproductive function. Clevon's son, Clevon Jr. (IQ 78) had success in on the football pitch and with his female fans, leading to yet more children. Meanwhile Trevor apparently dies of a heart attack in the course of producing sperm for an artificial insemination. Carol's hopes for motherhood seem desperate. By contrast, Clevon, through a complicated family tree, was father or grandfather to dozens then hundreds as shown.}}
			::::I'll try asking there. But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time. ] (]) 13:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::FWIW, I agree with you that the underlying issue may be that the category itself needs clarification. But I see we're now discussing at ] (though it might have been better to link to this discussion), and will continue the discussion there. ] (]) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			::::::I guess the question is... is sleeping really time travel? Is the story of Rip Van Winkle time travel? Is the story of Sleeping Beauty time travel? Futurama... is kind of borderline, as Fry sleeps due to a cryogenic accident (later ] to have been intentionally caused by an alien, Nibbler, who knew they needed Fry in the future to prevent destruction), but also because in it the professor actually invents real time travel. My initial feeling is that Idiocracy isn't really a time travel film, especially as the time travel isn't intentional -- it was only supposed to be a short-term experiment.. waking up in the distant future is due to a comedy of errors and neglect. ] (]) 19:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::Again, I don't think the suspended animation is what makes Idiocracy a time travel film. As I said above:
			:::::::"But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. ''It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time.''" ] (]) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Should be protected?

Reverted a defacement claiming it was a 'documentary'. How do I propose locking a page? Fredirc (talk) 20:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is over thataway, but FWIW when I look at the edit history I'm not seeing a very strong case for protecting it at this time. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 02:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Why do the characters' descriptions describe their positions at the end of the movie? Daytman (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Categorize under Films about time travel

While there is no actual time travel in Idiocracy, it is an important part of the plot and a prevalent theme of the film. The phrase "time machine" is currently used in the article four times. Given that Category:Films about time travel is described as listing "the titles of films that include the theme of time travel," Idiocracy belongs in the category. FriendlyPedant (talk) 14:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

It's difficult for me to believe that that category is intended to include films in which no time travel occurs. That said, are there other films within that category that feature no time travel? DonIago (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if there are others in the list that don't include time travel (or only include suspended animation). But I don't see how that should exclude a film from a list, given that the list is described as "This category lists the titles of films that include the theme of time travel." If that description is inadequate, and the category should only include films in which time travel occurs, then maybe the description should be revised. Though, of course, then we'd really want to be sure that there are no others on the list, and that's not really the subject to discus here.

I just wanted to mention that Idiocracy takes the #2 spot on The Guardian's 2023 top 20 list of time travel movies.

It also makes top 10 in a poll of time travel comedies on IMDB. That's user generated, but shows that many people think of Idiocracy as a time travel movie.

And it's #9 in Screen Rant's 2023 top 15 time travel movies list. FriendlyPedant (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

If another reasonably experienced editor chimes in supporting the inclusion of the category (you're welcome to consider asking at WT:FILM, I won't push back against it, but until that time I maintain that time travel isn't so much a theme of the film as it is a plot device used to get to the point in time that the majority of the plot focuses upon. DonIago (talk) 05:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll try asking there. But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time. FriendlyPedant (talk) 13:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I agree with you that the underlying issue may be that the category itself needs clarification. But I see we're now discussing at WT:FILM (though it might have been better to link to this discussion), and will continue the discussion there. DonIago (talk) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I guess the question is... is sleeping really time travel? Is the story of Rip Van Winkle time travel? Is the story of Sleeping Beauty time travel? Futurama... is kind of borderline, as Fry sleeps due to a cryogenic accident (later retconned to have been intentionally caused by an alien, Nibbler, who knew they needed Fry in the future to prevent destruction), but also because in it the professor actually invents real time travel. My initial feeling is that Idiocracy isn't really a time travel film, especially as the time travel isn't intentional -- it was only supposed to be a short-term experiment.. waking up in the distant future is due to a comedy of errors and neglect. Centerone (talk) 19:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Again, I don't think the suspended animation is what makes Idiocracy a time travel film. As I said above:

"But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time." FriendlyPedant (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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