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			==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment==
	What are not correct, Cretan women and man do only have abdominal belt. And perhaps the abdominal belt unly are a style, because naturalisme is a modern style.
			] This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ], ], ]. Peer reviewers: ], ].

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	== sources ==
			== Men beginning to wear corsets? ==

			How common was the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830)? I can’t remember any contemporary depictions showing men with any exaggeratedly narrow waist. If you compensate for the typical three to five layers of clothes their waists become comparable to those of indigenous peoples living in areas so hot that humans don’t need any clothes. Consequentially, these peoples ether practice natural nudity or wear only a ] or a clothing item comparable to present Western underpants. Since they wear very little – if anything at all – their waists probably represent the natural state of the male body. It was not until after 1830 that Western men begun to be portrayed with an exaggeratedly narrow waist. Then I can imagine them wearing corsets but before that it would have been superfluous. Anyone who can verify?
	what's the source that supports "There have been documented examples of women shrinking their waists as small as 16" through corset training."?

			2009-08-23 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	http://spook.dk/
	http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery05/polaire/polaire4.jpg polaire do have 13"

			:I know many books which tell about the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830), but the only primary source is a printed joke by a lace scene. I have two photos of men by exaggeratedly narrow waist. Haabet 20:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
	Many photographs were altered in early photography, the second image is an obvious example of it, you can still see a faint line around the waist and bust where it was retouched.
			http://www.flickr.com/photos/haabet/3335966311/in/set-72157608328223268/
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			http://www.flickr.com/photos/haabet/3336797276/in/set-72157608328223268/

			I consider these to be exceptions from the norm of indigenous peoples in hot climates having natural waists.
	and what's the source for "Corsets go back as far as 2000 B.C., when Cretan women wore them to emphasize their breasts and hips."

			2010-02-17 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	]

			I think even if they are exceptions to the norm, they are still important to include in the article. This way people can know about, consider, and discuss it. ] (]) 11:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
	Any serious, it is only a big loincloth.

			== Are the Nude pictures really nessesary? ==
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			Do we have to have those? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	What are the sources for cartilage softening from corset wearing? I do know that the muscles getting weak will be a problem, if the corset is worn almost always and the wearer do sports to compensate for the inactivity of e.g. stomach muscles.

			:] --] <sup>(])</sup> 18:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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	Me is the sources of "cartilage softening from corset wearing"
	The stomach muscles do quickly grow is the woman take off the corset, and been too strong to the softed chest.

			LOL pwned. ] (]) 02:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
	If the corset is correctly, the softed chest work as to compensate for the inactivity of e.g. stomach muscles. The alternative of the nature is death of the pregnant womman. About 10 or 20 % of all women do have a softed chest, to some extent. specially sports women.

			The Nude pictures are important to show of the effect of corsets.Haabet 16:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
	It is correct as the softed chest is not generally accepted, because the model of human being by the doctors is a man, and the model of woman by the doctors is a man by womb.

			== image display ==
	The doctor do only see the a hysterical women, because no is broke, but the women, feel as she been strangled by a ring round the chest, and do been hysterical.

			Would it make sense to move the column of images on the right, which randomly illustrate corsets, into a gallery section? As they are now they muck up the "edit" buttons for about 5 sections. ] (]) 02:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
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			:Most of the "History" section have need to move to the Corset History article.Haabet 07:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

			is the image of the 'corset made by corseteirre in 2005' etc etc really needed? it seems like someone is using wikipedia as a free edvertising place...] (]) 12:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
	== Meaning of sentence ==

			== Corset vendors ==
	:"The corset was originally stiff, later of stretched silk."

			I've removed the sections containing links to corset vendors, per ]. I do not believe that links to vendor web sites are appropriate. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">--] (])</span> 22:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
	Can anyone explain what this sentence is supposed to mean? Otherwise I think it should be deleted as nonsense. ] 01:02, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
			:Seconded. ] (]) 23:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

			== External links modified ==
	A possible origin of corset is a shining armour by cover of silk.

			Hello fellow Wikipedians,
	:Sorry, that doesn't make much sense to me either. Do you mean that corsets may have evolved from plate-armour as worn by knights, covered with silk? ] 19:55, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

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	]Image:Respiration.gif in the thumbnail version doesn't seem to work properly in Mozilla Firefox 0.8 (the full sized version is fine). I'm currently investigating whether this is a Firefox bug or something weird in the thumbnailing code or what. (This is Firefox 0.8 for Linux running in emulation on FreeBSD, though Gecko should be the same across all Mozilla on all platforms.)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 10:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
	The problem is that the thumbnailed version does not redraw properly, leaving all the black lines behind.

			==Bum link==
	Same problem shows up in Opera (6.0, Linux running on FreeBSD).
			In the Notes section the fourth bullet- "History of Tightlacing". Retrieved August 11, 2015- doesn't link to anything, or it is expired. Without reference to more scholarly work, or anything to back up the claim, no one can trace the work. I don't know what the original site was so I cannot go out to find it but updating sources so that people can follow the thought process.] (]) 16:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

			:I have tagged the deadlink at both occurrences. ] (]) 00:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
	In Konqueror 3.0.0 (FreeBSD), it not only does this, it has a weird glitch at the end of the animation cycle ... - ] 18:51, May 1, 2004 (UTC)

			== New Idea! ==
	And now I'm testing in Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows 98 and it does the same there too! (Did whoever put this in actually preview it?) Does anyone feel up to doing a version at thumbnail size to put into the page? - ] 19:09, May 1, 2004 (UTC)

			My ideas would be to inform readers how the corset evolved over time. I can add some sort of timeline that allows readers to visually see the evolution of the corset and how they are viewed.] (]) 00:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
	:I've had a look at the original image in a few different programs and it's strange: it stores only minimal changes between each pair of images, but the differences don't seem to coincide correctly within gif editing programs. Browsers handle them fine, but gifsicle and gimp, and presumably also whatever rescales images on Misplaced Pages, are fazed by them somehow, so that it's extremely difficult even to split the images up to create a new animation from them. I think it would be best to ask the person who made the original image to re-make it. ] 22:24, May 1, 2004 (UTC)

			==Peer Review Suggestions and Questions==
	::I've left a note on ]. - ] 23:34, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
			This overall article is very objective and encyclopedic in its language. Can more be added to the medical section? This may be a work in progress still, but it seemed quite short. Perhaps the fact the men claimed their corsets helped alleviate back pain could be mentioned in that section. With the Fetish section, "tightlacing" was never explicitly mentioned but it seemed appropriate to either move the explanation of it there or at least mention it to tie the article together. The distinctions between the types of corsets is very interesting and well detailed.] (]) 01:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

			== Western view hatnote ==
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			The hatnote states that the article "deal primarily with Western Europe and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject." Weren't corsets almost exclusively worn by women in Western society? I'm unable to find any sources for the time period when corsets were culturally popular that indicate women from Asia, Africa, or other non-European cultures wore corsets. The article ] states, "Corsets were worn by European women from the late 16th century onward." I think the hatnote is inaccurate and should be removed. — ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 21:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
	The image Respiration.gif is the original image. Editing program: Animation Shop.

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			== Addition of historical content to article ==
	== Advocacy, and pictures ==

			Hello! In hopes of aiding this article's content, particularly with reference to it's status as vital, I have added referenced content relating to early bodies, stays, and corsets. Image added to illustrate (stays), and links to related Misplaced Pages articles also made.
	I've had a go at copyediting the current page, though I haven't touched the table or most of the picture captions, because I don't understand them.

			Hope to make it back here soon to add more concerning nineteenth century use of the corset. Many thanks to @] for suggesting work here! ] (]) 21:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
	However, the current page reads a bit like an advocacy argument for corsets. It would be better if the language was toned down somewhat. I'm not sure how, partly because I don't know enough about the arguments for or against wearing corsets, and partly because, again, I'm not sure enough of what the original poster meant in some places.

			:@] I'm glad you took my suggestion to heart. Your support for these articles is appreciated. ] (]) 22:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
	Also, do we need this many pictures? What with this and the advocacy, the page reads like a sales catalogue. Perhaps we could move some of them to a new page. ] 20:26, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

	:The great number of pictures are important because the corsets change by time.
	If you give they all a new page, any can se the change. the corsets are also difference by use.
	:perhaps a pages "The history of corset 1500-1970 or 1983" and a page: "Corset before 1500"
	:"original poster meant in some places."
	:please tell the problems
	:] 21:50, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

	:I see no intrinsic problem with the pictures. Although it's not usual to have that many images in an article. I thought of shifting them too, but see no pressing need for the moment - ] 09:23, May 4, 2004 (UTC)

	:I've put the images on a page called Corset illustrations, and will be putting Haabet's new animated GIF in there. (What's policy on animated GIFs? I know we don't include static ones, but the PNG equivalent - MNG - is almost totally unsupported even by modern browsers) - ] 11:48, May 6, 2004 (UTC)

	I have just added an image for the cover of the book "Fetish Fashion: Undressing the Corset" to the Modern history section of the article....
	] 00:20, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	=='Corset comfort' section==

	I've been pondering ]'s latest additions - the 'Intestine problem' table. It seems a little out of place in the article: this section is very specific, while the article is more general. Also, it's a little isolates: if intestine problems are going to be included, shouldn't there be coverage of breathing problems and the like? Perhaps its worthwhile considering an article on 'Medical consequences of corseting'?

	Also, this kind of information is skirting the edges of medical advice, which makes me mildly uneasy. For that kind of think, I think it might be better to link to an external site like , which has advice from doctors.

	I also suspect that that this is ] on Haabet's part.

	Apart from that, I didn't actually find this section very clear. I'll have a quick try at cleaning it up, but I'm not sure how clear and informative the little animations actually are.

	Thoughts and suggestions?

	- ] 13:05, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

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	I agree with you that Haabet's semi-coherent table detracts from the article rather than adds to it, and that it's not clear that it's based on actual medical information. I think an edited, text-only version of this viewpoint should be added to the advantages/disadvantages section, and the link you suggested should be added.

	I'll perform the surgery :) Glad there's someone else working on this article. ] 19:32, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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	staylace sell corsets, and a salesman of corsets never tell about a seriously problem by corsets.
	] 20:14, 2004 Sep 23 (UTC)

	http://haabet.dk/korset/English.html

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	Haabet, I read the medical advice at Staylace and it seemed fairly neutral about the dangers of badly fitting corsets, sudden rather than gradual constriction, pinched nerves, problems with breathing and digestion, etc. I modified the Advantage/disadvantage section to positively state that bad digestion can be one consequence of aggressive corseting.

	And to think that I've never worn a corset! I'm here only because of my SCA and Regency dancing friends, who bristle at corset slurs. ] 01:40, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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	Yes, it is good to have more people working on this article - especially somebody who is not so avidly pro-corset as Haabet (no insult intended to him, of course).

	For what it's worth, I've always found Staylace's factual information to be balanced, reasonable and sensible, and it accords with other sources.

	- ] 08:48, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

	== Good edits, Katherine ==

	Thanks for the stylistic tweaking. I have a tendency to be gnomic and you expanded some things nicely. I see a few typos, but I'll work on them later.

	I think this is shaping up to be a good, informative article. ] 12:38, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)




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	Can anybody tell about the negative by corset?


	===Intestine problem===
	The ]'s work is aided by the movement of the organs effected by abdominal breathing. However, in a tightly laced corset, breathing movement shifts to the ] area.

	A common solution of Intestine problem is a diet by many small meals, as the Intestines are even filled, so the food have fine contact by the inner side of the in the Intestine.
	But a better solution of Intestine problem is some stiffness in the front as, some of the
	breathing movement from upper thoracic area push to the intestines in the abdomen. This push been opposite as a abdominal breathing, but this detail is without importance. The push to the
	intestines move to the food as it have fine contact by the inner side of the in the Intestine.
	It of this cause the stays have the stay in the front.

	A well-designed corset will allow some movement by breaking up the stiff front with flexible zones. Three alike corsets, wrong, wrong and correct.


	All of this page have home in ]

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	==Spurious article move==

	:This article absolutely ''should not'' have been moved from ] to ]. The information is applicable to general corset wearing. There is a very big difference between wearing a corset on a regular basis and ]. What information the two topics share should be in the 'Corset' article, as tightlacing (for Misplaced Pages purposes, at least) is a subtopic.

	:The information on tighlacing should go in the article on that subject - and as there's already a page on ]s, which includes a section on the corsets used for tightlacing, there is no need for a separate page on 'tight lacing corsets'.

	:My actions are going to be:

	* Request that this talk page (which once belonged to the corset article) be moved back there.
	* Put this page up on votes for deletion (it's entirely unnecessary)
	* Restore the deleted information to the corset article

	:Haabet, I do not think that you are working contructively with ] and me. It's clear that you are keen to improve the 'Corset' article too, but you do not engage with us! As I've said before, please use the talk pages, and we can avoid getting into a situation where we just keep on undoing each other's edits.

	:- ] 09:44, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

	::Unless anyone other than Haabet objects, I'll be moving the page back in 24 hours - ] 12:27, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

	:::Many thanks! ] 13:47, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

	24 hours are short time when Misplaced Pages not answer. Most of the Corset pages are part of others corset pages.

	Exist any connection between the corsets of today and the corsets of olddays?

	:Well, the page was not actually moved for several days, and as I asked for the page to be moved on the ], there was plenty of time for people to comment and agree/disagree.

	:As for connections between modern corsets and old fashioned ones, I presume you are referring to the 'Modern history' section of the article? As this is a general article on the corset, the section seems entirely appropriate; it would also make sense to have a section before titled something like 'History of the corset' and maybe retitle that section to 'Modern corsets'.

	:- ] 10:07, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

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	==Bustle and more==
	The corset was important as base to bustle.
	But where are the ] and ]?
	]s and ]
	], ] and
	]?
	]?
	]

	:I agree that there are not yet many articles on items of historical dress on the Misplaced Pages; I have a list of several that I mean to start, but it's a case of too many articles, too little time!

	:In my opinion, there needs definitely to be an article on the ]. I'm unsure about the rest of the items that you list: 'Skirt supporter', 'Breast protector' and 'Bosom pad' are not phrases that have either not been commonly used in English; arpart from that, they are all pretty self-explanatory. I've never encountered the 'Abdominal corset' or the 'Baby corset' either; I would be very wary of new articles on these items without a reference to some source citing their use.

	:There could be an article on the ] (note that it should NOT have a hyphen in English); it's a very minor thing in terms of costume history, and I suspect could do with input from somebody with medical knowledge.

	:And there's already an article on the ]; you should know, you contributed to it, as have I!

	:- ] 10:07, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
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	==Images==
	http://haabet.dk/patent/Sketchs.html

	http://haabet.dk/patent/People.html

	==Corset illness==
	All the olddays corsets are maked without knowledge about the female anatomy. Of this cause the corset make damage. Particularly was the lower edge of the front of corset a problem, because it end where the skirt start, and not near ], of this cause the body bulge under the corset. A special unhealthy was the ] because it had a narrow chest and a moderately round waist. By pregnancy and wery slim corset the entrails can hide in the extended chest. And a natural slim girl have a broad waist by flat front.
	By ] the liver and or stomach was in the front of the round waist, where they been squashed.
	The attitude to illness in olddays was another as today. Some illness was fashionable,
	because man-made illness display wealth and many servants.

	:I think that this is a very narrow view of old corsets. Not all corsets were badly made and badly fitted, and many of them were made with female anatomy and health in mind. Sometimes they drew incorrect conclusions, as happened with the straight-fronted corset (is this what you mean by the 'healthy corset'?), but they were not working in ignorance.

	:I disagree that "the lower edge of the front of corset...end where the skirt start"; prior to the twentieth century, skirts very rarely started below the natural waistline, and corsets always descended below the natural waist - hence your statement is incorrect. Yes, some corsets were not long enough in front to prevent abdominal bulge, but this was not the result of anatomical ignorance.

	:While I agree that there was frailty was a desirable element for many Victorians, you seem to imply that they deliberately chose to wear misfitting corsets to achieve a sickly image and that this was a status symbol. I think your interest in the construction of corsets is leading you to misinterpret the historical evidence: corsets were not worn to induce illness, they were worn to gain a fashionable, slender shape. Illness was a (possibly desirable) side effect. It's worth noting that lots of corset advertising (particularly in the nineteenth century) focuses on the health benefits of corsets, or their comfort. Some brands of corset were not promoting fashionable ill health!

	:I think that the kind of information you want to put in the Misplaced Pages relating to corset health problems is mostly ], so although it's interesting, you ought to try to restrain yourself to historical evidence.

	:- ] 10:07, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

	]

	a. Sternum.
	b. shoulder blade.
	c. ].
	d. dotted line show the corseted shape (Pointillé suiivantles lignes du corset).
	e. dotted line show the natural shape (Pointillé indiquant les courbes du tronc).
	f. stomach moved.
	g. Intestine fallen.

	: Erm, what's your point Haabet? I'm not debating that internal organs are moved by tightlacing, just that you seem to want to put things in the article that are original research - for example, where has this picture come from? Is it reliable? Is there a second source that backs up this information?

	: ] 08:33, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

	the image is from: Le Corset (Ludovic) O'Followel, Paris 1905.
	fig 135. I have also a patent from about 1875 which tell about "Intestine fallen". In a yahoo groups have a woman ask about this problem.

	the solution of this problem is simple: make the fornt longer.

	] 13:25, 2004 Oct 15 (UTC)

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	The servants have need to do his or her own lacing, but the master and mistress was too tight lacing and have need of support from the servants. The tight waist show who have servants.

	:I think you have a monolithic view of corset wearers: not every woman who had servants would ]. In fact, some high status, wealthy women, considered tightlacing vulgar. Servants and wealth are not the only signifiers of social status - take, for example, courtesans and prostitutes, who might have had money, but who were unacceptable in most levels of society - so you've got to be careful about what conclusions you draw.

	:- ] 10:07, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

	==Request to move pages==
	:''Moved from ]''

	The talk page and history has been moved from the article ] to ]. Could these be moved back, please? There are more details on the ] page.

	- ] 09:59, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

	:I concur: the page should be moved back. Not all corsets are laced, so the page is a misnomer. ] \| ]]] 10:08, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

	::This page has since been moved back to the original location. Just FYI for anyone reading it here. ] 03:33, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)

	== Transatlantic alliance imperilled ==

	The corset article had a visit from Blankfaze, who corrected all 'or' spellings to 'our'. I complained on his talk page and his response was that British spelling was correct and American spelling was to be tolerated only on pages that dealt with American topics. British spelling was to be used everywhere else.

	So, being pissed off, I changed all his 'our's back to 'or'.

	Sheesh.

	Ordinarily, I'll veer wildly between British and American spellings. I read so many British books and hang out online with so many Rightpondians that I'm often not sure myself when to put in a 'u' and when to leave it out. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a matter of custom. When the venue is international, as Misplaced Pages is, I'm prepared to let many spellings bloom. Indeed, I've noticed that I tend to lapse into a bit of Indian English when I write articles about Indian films.

	So far as I know, Misplaced Pages as a whole has yet to hear that the British flag has been planted on our shores. This should be interesting. ] 05:25, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
	(a rebellious colonial)

	* :-P ] \| ] 05:28, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	:I disagree with ]'s assertions that British English is correct in all articles that aren't about explicitly American topics and that "American English is a corruption of proper English". The Misplaced Pages ] sits on the fence on this issue and only madates that there should be consistency within articles. As a Brit, American spellings generally look wrong to me, but in the end I'm more concerned about the content of this article than which variety of spellings is used. As the American spellings were first used in the article, I think we should carry on that way: if blankfaze wants to travel around the Misplaced Pages changing all American English spellings, well, it's his time, and he can stop by this article periodically to 'correct' us.

	:- ] 09:14, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

	For what it's worth...I'm a Brit who has lived in the USA for 7.5 years. I write all of my Wikepedia contributions with English spelling (and I'd like them to stay that way). If someone came along and "corrected" all of the spelling in my contributions to US English I personally would not be happy about it. As long as the grammar is correct, I think the spelling should be left alone. The same of course applies to articles originally written with US spelling :-)

	] 10:01, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	As a Brit, and sometime professional author, it's worth noting that some of the words we in England think are the correct spelling are infact the "changed" version whereas the American spelling is the older. Aluminum is the original, Aluminium is the changed version. The use of the "z" instead of the "s" in many words has a longer history than the "s" version.

	] 11:01, 8 May 2006 (GMT)

	There's a very clear policy; if the article was started in British or Australian spelling, stick to it; if the article was started in US spelling, stick to that. Which was used first - colour or color? - ] 11:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

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	==Sexual fetishism or Necessary Underwear?==
	I have get a great number of corset images and drawings. And my conclusion is the corset is an anonymous Underwear or a Sexual fetishi but not at the same time. If a corset look as a Sexual fetishi it is a poor Underwear. I think we have need of two aetikles ] 17:26, 2005 May 24 (UTC)

	NO. ] 06:23, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

	==Faint==
	* On new wearer can ], because the musculatures in the chest been tired, because they are to weak. Corset use demand some exercise. In olddays the ] was nearly always a ], because the boy touch the girl when he catch she.


	== Removed text ==
	I removed the following text from the article, since it appears to me to be nonsense:
	* ''It is important as healthy lungs, for use of corset, because the breathing in abdomen is blocking. Virgins who not have train the breathing in chest by sing, dance, sport or corset use can get a ], because the un train musculatures in the chest been tired of the new unaccustomed breathing. This rare and harmless accident had been a part of a ] mythology. Mothers had used the breathing in chest by the pregnancy, and are permanent train.''
	-- ] 13:35, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

	: Um, that's Haabet. He has a bee in his bonnet about corsets. I think he's Danish? German? Has been blocked from his local Misplaced Pages for disruption. Worth doing here? ] 14:04, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
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	Danish:

	Det er vigtig at have en sund lunge funktion, for at kunne gå med korset.

	Hvis en jomfru bruger korset uden at være sportstrænet, sanger eller have øvet sig i at gå med korsett, så kan de muskler som giver vejrtrækning i brystkassen blive udmattet så at hun besvimer. Mødre har ikke dette problem fordi de har trænet vejrtrækningen i brystkassen under graviditeten.

	Det er ikke almindeligt at korset bruger besvimer, og selv om det er ubehageligt for omgivelserne så er det ufarligt og den ramte mærker ingen ting. Så spiller det at kvinderne kan dåne i korset en overdreven stor rolle i litteraturen.

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	English:

	This is serious to have a well lung function, so that know wear corset.

	If a virgin user corset without to get up athletic, singer or you have practised herself in a wear corset, then can you muscle by given breathing in the chest being done to the wide so that she faint. Mums i do not thus problems for the reason that they i do not train the breathing in the chest below the pregnancy.

	It have not common a corset user faint, and the even though this is disagreeably too surroundings then is it harmless and the of strike sign no things. Then player it a womankind could faint in corset a exorbitant heavy role in the literature.

	16:51, September 4, 2005 (UTC)]

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	===Insensibility and discoloration===


	Over long demolish tightlacing then stays the skin numb and the gets a tawny discoloration is the the waist of connective tissue.


	Følelsesløshed og misfarvning

	Ved langvarig stram indsnøring så bliver huden følelsesløs og får en brunlig misfarvning i taljen af bindevæv.


	]


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	]

	Problem by corsets are as lift of the ribs, because the more the chest go up the thiner been the waist.] 20:35, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

	==Damage on stomach==
	]
	]

	== Men wearing corsets ==

	Two anonIPs (who could be the same person) added material re military men wearing corsets, young boys routinely wearing corsets, and corsets morphing into belts. None of this material is sourced. From what I know of the 19th century, it doesn't sound TRUE, either. So far as I know, male corset-wearers either had back problems, or they wanted to look slim and trim, and were satirized as popinjays. Young boys didn't wear corsets. The transition from suspenders to belts most likely has a very different explanation -- and happened much later. I have reverted. The anon may wish to come forward with cites. ] 08:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)




	In family by officer-traditions or -ambition a straight back was important.

	Infant used routinely wearing Infant binders, both sex. ] 17:47, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

	]

	==POV check==

	This article is too positive.

	Many corset pattern and corset design on sale today is old unhealthy. Not of a modern healthy design.

	particularly the corset from c. 1870 to 1898 was unhealthy.

	http://www.staylace.com/ say:
	''C&S Corsets are the very finest quality TIGHTLACING corsets available--accept NO others at any price!''
	why not ccept others at any price?! because C&S Corsets are of a modern healthy design.] 00:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

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	That quote does not prove your point. You are convinced that some corsets are healthy and others are unhealthy, but you can produce NO modern references or citations for your beliefs. Your beliefs are apparently individual, idiosyncratic, and not encyclopedic. Please stop trying to insert them in the corset article. ] 07:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

	my claim:

	Many make corsets, but only few have the necessary anatomical knowledge.

	is that not encyclopedic?

	Today people stop by use cosets if they have pains, and they do not like to tell about how much they feel stupidity. I But if I can produce some old references of damage by corset and some new references which tell about sale of old day corset to use of woman today. The logic says if a corset get damage in oldday, the same corset also get damage today.



	How many of 350.000 lings for Victorian corset is about the old unhealthy corset?

	] 13:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

	The number of

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	The fact that ONE person believes something is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. You seem to be the only person who believes that some corsets are "healthy" and others aren't. All you can do is cite 100-year-old medical references. Those aren't CURRENT beliefs. ] 22:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

	If the human being is the same species, now and 100 years ago, and
	the some corset are the same, now and 100 years ago. If correctly Misplaced Pages can use 100-year-old medical references.

	After 1898 the corset been more correctly anatomical.

	first the girl used:
	]]]]

	As you know, the corset of today not are gradually, as in Edvard era, but poor as in Vitorian era.] 10:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

	==The common opinion==
	The common opinion abut corset is: Corset is a terrible oppress suppression of woman, invent of a tormentor by whips and bad irons.
	And the use of corset cut the body of, or strangle the woman before the cut.] 12:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

	:...? ] 19:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

	::Don't give me fucking links. Give me a '''coherent English sentence'''. I said it below, I'll say it again: your English is ''painfully'' hard for even a native speaker such as myself to decipher. Yes, I understand (as a person who's trying to learn a couple of other languages myself) that it is difficult to write in a language that is not your native tongue, and that practicing it more often improves your ability to do so... but that does ''not'' mean you should try to write an encyclopedia in a language you can obviously barely speak at all. Your grammar is ''atrocious'', hideous, embarrassingly bad - how many different words must I use until you understand this? Your edits aren't even bad just because they are POV (pushing a particular point of view to the exclusion or near-exclusion or denigration of another common one), they are very very '''very''' bad because ''to a native speaker of English, your sentences are at best clumsy and at worst, completely incomprehensible''. I hate that you're actually making me come out and say this, but I have to, because you're really messing up this page and making it '''extremely''' difficult for others to edit it or even "meet you halfway" (come to a compromise):

	::'''Haabat, you should ''not'' be editing the English-language Misplaced Pages. Your English is ''so'' bad that for you to edit this page is for you to make it a hundred times worse than it was before you got here, ''regardless of content''. You are doing ''absolutely nothing'' to help this article become a good article, you are only making it a hundred times harder for other people to make it a good article.'''

	::It is an ''extremely'' bad idea to try to do a complex thing (writing an encyclopedia) in a complex language (English) that you barely understand.

	::If you still want to bring up information for us to consider putting in the article, feel free to share links, yes. But PLEASE stop editing the article, and plus, if you still insist on writing long, complicated notes on this talk page, PLEASE make use of something like the . The Freelang forums is a place where you can request a FREE translation of something from one language into another language, from other users who speak a particular language better than you. You NEED to be using this kind of thing, because I'm going to be blunt right now and say that otherwise, '''you are just going to keep being misunderstood''. Do yourself a favor, and at least do this much: ''ask for help translating your comments into good English''.

	::(In case you folks are wondering what I'm going on about, he posted to my user talk page with a link and no explanation, however, I recognized the username and remembered that I had jokingly responded with "...?" here. I naturally assumed he was responding to that above response of mine). ] 00:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Arpingstone ==

	I reverted your edits -- I'm sorry, but so many of them were highly debatable. Do you think that you could take it one by one and we could discuss them?

	For one thing, it IS true that men and women wore corsets. Also, it IS true that contemporary tightlacers rely on spouses or partners. In fact, sexual relationships of dominance/submission characterize much of the current tightlacing scene. It's entirely different for historical costumers and re-enactors -- they don't tightlace, so don't need help donning their corsets.

	Could we talk about this? I hate to just revert stuff that's obviously not vandalism. ] 09:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

	:No problem, the reversions can stay and, as you said, it isn't vandalism. I don't even know how I arrived at the article but I read it and I felt certain parts grated. My changes were as a reader who does not have the slightest interest in the subject so I could view it as a piece of writing. Did it flow, were there repetitions, how was the grammar, the spelling, the sentence construction.

	:I found that the statement (in what is essentially a summary) that men and women wear corsets seemed out of place. The fact is stated lower down so it didn't seem part of a summary (but that's only my opinion). Other readers would be perfectly happy with the statement in that position.

	:I was going on to justify all my edits but life's too short and I want to do something else today. So let me just finish by saying your reverting of my italicising in the pic caption was odd because most of the caption ''is'' a quote and on WP quotes take italics. Also that pic is far too large at 350px wide, 250 is the norm. I expect you reverted the lot, in order to start again.

	:Please don't engage me in any further discussion on this (please imagine a smiley here!). I have too much else to occupy me! (wife, children, car, garden, putting images on WP, sitting around, TV, reading, waiting for the English winter to end, and so on). Please revert just as you like and I'll be quite happy. Best Wishes - ] 12:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

	:The image you spoke of there I've changed to 300px while I was making other edits. I don't dare make it smaller, as it looks good and has an awful lot of detail work, but you're right that it was a wee bit too large. :) ] 20:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Merging ] ==

	Yes, please, let's merge. Once we remove all of Haabet's obsessively-placed pictures, we're left with TWO sorts of corsets that should not have been conflated (ribbon corset and waistcincher) and can easily be covered in the main article. Or perhaps we need to restore the old "waistcincher" article, before Haabet took it over.

	He's been fought to a draw at Corset, so he's moving his obsession to minor articles that are less strongly policed. Perhaps we need to take him to the Arbcom and try to get a ban. ] 19:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

	: I think that this is a difficult one to call - there aren't any hard and fast definitions of different kinds of corset (I would have said that a ribbon corset ''is'' a kind of waistcincher!). What I would suggest is maybe a new article on kinds of corset, which can include ribbon corsets and waistcinchers, and all the other kinds we currently have listed, but have links to larger articles where necessary. That way we'd avoid stubs. It doesn't quite seem to fit in this main corset article; we don't have any other kinds of corset described here yet, and if we did it might make the article too long.

	:Just a suggestion, I'm only getting back into this whole Misplaced Pages-ing thing after a long absence...

	:] 10:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

	:I think the article on ribbon corsets has enough information to stand on its own. ] \| ] 15:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

	::I feel that the waist cincher article is too weak to stand on its own but makes an excellent sub-section for this article. -] 16:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

	==Measurement==
	Can someone add something about "hip spring" and "waist-to-hip-ratio" (WHR)? Thank you folks! --] 17:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

	==Article is a hideous mess, and overlooks newer modern usage==
	Half of it is like notes more than an article, and the history section consists entirely of a link to a website! WTF?? How does something like this happen??

	Anyway, I just wanted to point out that in recent years, "corset" has become FAR more loose in definition. There are apparently "corset" tops that are ordinary (though usually form-fitting) women's tops that happen to have something like lacing that immitates the look of a laced-up ("ribbon", perhaps?) corset ''without'' cinching the waist.

	Examples:

	Click on any one of those tops, you'll see that the closest they come to being a "corset" in the traditional sense is that they lace up similarly to some old styles of corsets. They do not cinch the waist at all.

	Notice that their "corsets" are actually form-fitting tops with laced-up fronts made to mimic the look of what I'm assuming are called "ribbon corsets". They are form-fitting but do not cinch the waist; even has a zipper in the back!

	. Note that only one is labeled as a "waist-cincher". The other two available designs appear to be laced-up form-fitting tops, not waist-cinchers.

	Target and ] are considerably more mainstream of course (especially Target, which doesn't even pretend to cater specifically to any subculture, let alone supposedly rebelious ones), and considerably more popular, so the fact that those four "corset tops" are available through Target in particular means there are people out there in the general public who do, in fact, think "corset top" need not necessarily refer to waist-cinching undergarments.

	This is apparently a quite popular usage at current, and the fact that "corset" brings me to this page, which does not even disambiguate between traditional corsets and modern "corset tops", is something that probably needs remedying. The only problem is that (aside from me being about to go to bed to sleep), I have no idea what this newer, modern usage of "corset" in the sense of "corset top" specifically is, other than ''apparently'' they mimic "ribbon corsets" in look, lack of waist-cinching aside. Would someone who actually knows what the hell seperates a "corset top" from a non-"corset top" top from an actual traditional corset please address this? Perhaps there needs to be a seperate page for the modern "corset top" usage, with a link from here? Superficial styling aside, they seem to be very different things. ] 06:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

	== Article restored ==

	I took a several month break from WP and it seems that no one was watching the corset article. It had been a good article, and between Haabet and various trolls and vandals, it was completely trashed. I restored the older version. I think it's OK now. Let me know if I missed anything.

	Dang, it's like trying to keep a public bathroom clean. ] 08:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

	:Hehe! I know what you mean. It's improved a lot though since when I was here last, which I'm sure is in large part due to your hard work. :) Thank you! ] 20:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

	==Attention==
	the most common use of corsets to day, is to get attention.Håbet 13:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

	==Mirror==
	<gallery>
	Image:Enfant_terrible.gif\|1890
	Image:Perfect_Health_Corset.png\|1890
	Image:Invigorator_corsets1893.gif\|1893
	Image:Warner%27s_CorsetIM.gif\|1899
	Image:Toothbrush1899Paris.jpg\|1899
	Image:LeRayonnantNouveauCorset1902.gif\|1902
	Image:Le_corset_mystere1902.gif\|1902
	Image:GrandsMagasinsDuLouvreParisSaisonD%27Ete1908e.gif\|1908
	Image:Corset_de_sport_de_A_Claverie.jpg\|1908
	Image:LE_NEOS1909.jpg\|1909
	Image:30809CorsetCeinture.gif\|1910
	Image:Geradehalter-Korsett_%2C%2CRepona%27%27.jpg\|1910
	Image:SpirellaCorsets1913Style52.jpg\|1913
	Image:SpirellaCorsets1913Style593.jpg\|1913
	Image:SpirellaCorsets1913style430.png\|1913
	Image:USpatent1782892_1928.gif\|1928
	</gallery>
	Have corset a element of ]? Håbet 18:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

	==Victorian morality==

	The uncomfortable Victorian corses help
	the woman by keep the ].

	But where tell this article that?Håbet 05:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

	:Aaaand your source for this iiiis... where?
	::I have many sources of that, but the quality of sources about corsets are poor.
	::The society had three class: 1. Them who had servants. 2. Them who had no servants. 3. The servants. ::The ], used impractical clothes, as you could see as they was from the upper-class.

	:And I hate to sound mean or anything, but your English is not particularly good. Since you seem to have trouble expressing whatever the hell it is you're trying to say, and certainly seem to have trouble understanding others here, I would suggest you try to create or edit the corset article in YOUR native tongue, not ours. Don't get me wrong, it's always good to see people practicing a second or third or fourth language - but Misplaced Pages is a horrible place to practice your English if you're not close to fluent in it, considering that one needs to communicate well in order to write a good article. Please go to the version of Misplaced Pages that actually caters to your language. You will probably find people much more receptive, and be understood much better. I get the feeling that it's largely the language barrier that's making things difficult between you and other editors. That said, no matter WHAT version of Misplaced Pages you're editing, you should ALWAYS have a source to support the kinds of claims you are making. ] 20:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

	Haabet has been writing gibberish in corset-related articles for the whole of the two years that I've been editing here. Nothing, but nothing, seems to discourage him. Is the only recourse a full-on Request for Arbitration to get him to stop editing? ] 00:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
	:If you help me by the many aspect of corset, I have no need of editing here. You have need of tell about damage from corsets. Because I have images of that.
	:I have need of editing about the modern corsets. Why use 7/24-slaves corsets? and why use you corset?
	:The book: Fashion & Fetushism of David Kunzle talk much about corsets. But it is not in the References.
	:The common use of corsets is male transvestites. (have you need of sources?). Corsets is part of the Gothic Fashion. (have you need of sources?)
	:Håbet 10:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Advertising ==

	I don't know who added all that material re various stores selling corset-like tops, but it certainly seemed like advertising to me. Mentioning brand names and adding pictures is suspicious. I could be wrong and it could just have been a new editor trying to be helpful. I did something like that when I was a new editor, recommending one of my favorite ethnic pattern companies. Someone else removed it and rightly so. If we allow anything like advertising on WP, we'll be overwhelmed. Please don't! ] 06:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

	:The problem is the definition of the word: "Corset".

	:The most common definition is a womans dress by a lace, (opposite elastic)

	:The definition of corset from 1930 to 1960 was a Girdle by bone. (for stout woman) (opposite Girdle)

	:The contents of this article is: "Victorian corset see ]" and ].

	:Sewing Technical: The corset (opposite corsage) have a waist which is more thin as the natural waist.

	:The english word ''corset'' have many meanings. Håbet 11:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

	== Sprngcleaning ==

	Taxwoman, "neck corset" is not a corset and it is unknown outside the BSDM community. It doesn't rate mention here. Other edits are fine -- photo of a modern corset is a great addition.

	Haabet, you started the gurita article, based on one advertisement on a website. It is not clear if such a garment exists, or that it should be called a corset. Links are not warranted.

	Someone, probably Haabet, had copied ribbon corset material into the top of the article. I removed it.

	Haabet, balked here, has apparently been creating articles on varieties of corsets and linking them here. I need to go through all the links and figure out what should be combined or deleted. ] 22:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

	:Neck corset is not a corset but it is a corset-like device, and definitely doesn't belong to BSDM, so they are known outside BSDM community.--] 23:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

	But this article is about corsets, not "corset-like devices". I just googled for "neck corset" and up came several thousand hits on fetish shops selling fetish and BSDM clothing. That they may be worn by Goths aw well doesn't make them any more mainstream. Look, we have a link to sexual fetishism -- I think that should be a link to ]. Write an article on neck corset and link it to fetish clothing. The fetish clothing article itself looks like it could use some sprucing up and re-organization. Instead of putting the fetish stuff here, make sure it has a good home in a linked article. That will be of more use to readers, I should think. ] 23:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

	:Neck corset are not known enough, even in BSDM and goth communities, and particularly anywhere else, so they should be either in corset article, because they belong in corsetry, or there should be separate article about them. They are not used only as as fetish clothing, so mentioning them only there would be inappropriate.
	: is a comprehensive list of the custom corset makers available worldwide. It can be seen by searching that many of them make neck corsets as well. There's page about with pictures of same model of neck corset worn by both ] and ]. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 17:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

	: Anon, they aren't corsets. Modern corsetmakers cater to the fetish trade and so of course they sell other fetish clothing. If neck corsets aren't "known enough," then they don't belong here in the main article, but as an item in the fetish clothing section. They certainly aren't mainstream clothing -- I've been reading fashion and sewing magazines for 30 years and I've never seen anything like "neck corset" featured. A corset encloses the waist and torso. Calling a neck brace a neck corset doesn't make it one. ] 03:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Men beginning to wear corsets?

How common was the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830)? I can’t remember any contemporary depictions showing men with any exaggeratedly narrow waist. If you compensate for the typical three to five layers of clothes their waists become comparable to those of indigenous peoples living in areas so hot that humans don’t need any clothes. Consequentially, these peoples ether practice natural nudity or wear only a loincloth or a clothing item comparable to present Western underpants. Since they wear very little – if anything at all – their waists probably represent the natural state of the male body. It was not until after 1830 that Western men begun to be portrayed with an exaggeratedly narrow waist. Then I can imagine them wearing corsets but before that it would have been superfluous. Anyone who can verify?

2009-08-23 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.155.69 (talk) 12:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I know many books which tell about the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830), but the only primary source is a printed joke by a lace scene. I have two photos of men by exaggeratedly narrow waist. Haabet 20:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/haabet/3335966311/in/set-72157608328223268/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/haabet/3336797276/in/set-72157608328223268/

I consider these to be exceptions from the norm of indigenous peoples in hot climates having natural waists.

2010-02-17 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.71 (talk) 15:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I think even if they are exceptions to the norm, they are still important to include in the article. This way people can know about, consider, and discuss it. Paigee33 (talk) 11:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Are the Nude pictures really nessesary?

Do we have to have those? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.84.8.67 (talk) 17:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not censored. --Qsaw 18:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

LOL pwned. 24.251.33.38 (talk) 02:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

The Nude pictures are important to show of the effect of corsets.Haabet 16:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

image display

Would it make sense to move the column of images on the right, which randomly illustrate corsets, into a gallery section? As they are now they muck up the "edit" buttons for about 5 sections. Huw Powell (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Most of the "History" section have need to move to the Corset History article.Haabet 07:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

is the image of the 'corset made by corseteirre in 2005' etc etc really needed? it seems like someone is using wikipedia as a free edvertising place...121.208.89.168 (talk) 12:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Corset vendors

I've removed the sections containing links to corset vendors, per WP:SPAM. I do not believe that links to vendor web sites are appropriate. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Seconded. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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In the Notes section the fourth bullet- "History of Tightlacing". Retrieved August 11, 2015- doesn't link to anything, or it is expired. Without reference to more scholarly work, or anything to back up the claim, no one can trace the work. I don't know what the original site was so I cannot go out to find it but updating sources so that people can follow the thought process.Kennedke (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I have tagged the deadlink at both occurrences. GrindtXX (talk) 00:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

New Idea!

My ideas would be to inform readers how the corset evolved over time. I can add some sort of timeline that allows readers to visually see the evolution of the corset and how they are viewed.Chilogan (talk) 00:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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This overall article is very objective and encyclopedic in its language. Can more be added to the medical section? This may be a work in progress still, but it seemed quite short. Perhaps the fact the men claimed their corsets helped alleviate back pain could be mentioned in that section. With the Fetish section, "tightlacing" was never explicitly mentioned but it seemed appropriate to either move the explanation of it there or at least mention it to tie the article together. The distinctions between the types of corsets is very interesting and well detailed.Ansilvern (talk) 01:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Western view hatnote

The hatnote states that the article "deal primarily with Western Europe and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject." Weren't corsets almost exclusively worn by women in Western society? I'm unable to find any sources for the time period when corsets were culturally popular that indicate women from Asia, Africa, or other non-European cultures wore corsets. The article Corset controversy states, "Corsets were worn by European women from the late 16th century onward." I think the hatnote is inaccurate and should be removed. — btphelps 21:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Addition of historical content to article

Hello! In hopes of aiding this article's content, particularly with reference to it's status as vital, I have added referenced content relating to early bodies, stays, and corsets. Image added to illustrate (stays), and links to related Misplaced Pages articles also made.

Hope to make it back here soon to add more concerning nineteenth century use of the corset. Many thanks to @Urbanracer34 for suggesting work here! Diary of a Dress Historian (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Diary of a Dress Historian I'm glad you took my suggestion to heart. Your support for these articles is appreciated. Urbanracer34 (talk) 22:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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