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| == Disruptive and POV editing on Douglas Murray page == | |||
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| ] Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to ]. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's ] and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Hi Conan. You made three recent edits on the Douglas Murray page. I think your restoration of the ] | |||
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| template seems to be based on personal opinion rather than policy and should be reverted, but seems to be in good faith. However, your next two edits look tendentious and a breach of ] policy. You obviously have a strong disagreement with what many academic and journalistic sources have said about Murray and that's fine, but please don't put accusations of source bias or lack of NPOV without basis. I recommend starting a talk page heading if you want to discuss the material or if you have objections to the quality of the sources used. I researched and added many of the sources, and you're welcome to start a discussion about them on my talk page if you wish. Thanks and please be more careful to observe NPOV. ] (]) 09:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)<!-- Template:uw-npov2 --> | |||
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| ::You've been campaigning against Murray since day one, and have been cautioned many times against it and placing these daft notices on people's pages. Please keep the political campaigning off Misplaced Pages, especially when you are denigrating writers just because you disagree with them - that's not what Misplaced Pages is for. ] (]) 09:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::I've maintained a neutral point of view editing on Murray but every source will have its own perspective - I think ] is instructive on this. I had a flick through "The Strange Death of Europe" and thought the academic assessments of Murray on this page were very much accurate. ] (]) 09:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::It is patently obvious that Conan the Librarian is attempting to insert their own POV. Accusing both RS and editors of "radical" bias is a behaviour common to editors lacking neutrality. Frankly, Noteduck was right to issue a warning, but should have also considered referencing policy against fanboyism. ] (]) 04:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Please have the courtesy to use your wikipedia username here and the various edits you have made on the article in question. If nothing else, it will divert suspicion away from the obvious candidates for the sockpuppetry who may be unfairly maligned by your actions.] (]) 21:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Innocent users would not be "maligned" if you dishonest lot stopped making baseless accusations. You accused several different people involved in Douglas Murray of being sockpuppets already, apparently being a go-to accusation whenever you face criticism] (]) 02:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| CtL, I think this is the same IP sock who has been blocked here ] and here ]. I'm not sure if this is the same editor as the other two IP's that recently acted at the same article. ] (]) 04:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks Springee. ] (]) 19:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| :Political Quarterly published by ] which says "He then picks two right wing thinkers Roger Scruton and Douglas Murray, neither Blue Labour, and wrongly and malignly accuses them of belonging to the white nationalist right ..." Blog post so useless for the discussion but maybe nice to know. ] (]) | |||
| ::Interesting, thank you - yes, it seems to convey the point some of us have been trying to make about the frustrating editorial and possibly covering similar ground to that in the Quarterly reply referenced in the Talk page. Sadly I suspect these points also apply more generally to some of the other references used for the more extreme claims about Murray. ] (]) 21:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == The NPOV *badge of shame* has been hanging over the Douglas Murray page for *eight months* - far too long == | |||
| The NPOV *badge of shame* has been hanging over Murray's page for *eight months*. I recommend having a look at some relevant sections of the ] page: | |||
| ''{{tq2|'''This template should not be used as a badge of shame'''}} {{tq2|Do not use this template to "warn" readers about the article.}}'' | |||
| More importantly, this set of instructions below. | |||
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| ''This template is '''not meant to be a permanent resident on any article'''. You may remove this template whenever any one of the following is true: | |||
| 1. There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved. | |||
| 2. It is '''not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given'''. | |||
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| I think point 2: {{tq2|'''''It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given'''''}} is critical here. The only remaining debate on the talk page is an obscure argument challenging '''a single source''' (apparently on DUE grounds?) the removal of which would remove only one part of a footnote from a composite footnote which contains many others. The NPOV badge has been hanging over the page for '''*eight months*''', which is not conducive to keeping Wiki streamlined and professional. A wealth of academic, expert, and high-quality journalistic sources bolster the claim that Murray has ideological links with the far-right, plus white nationalism, ], and far-right conspiracies like ], the ] theory etc... I recommend reading a few of the scholarly sources and perhaps, and perhaps you'll understand why many experts have to this conclusion about Murray's links to the far right and other similar extreme ideologies. Super happy to discuss some details/questions about RS policy on my talk page if you feel like. Absent more substantive rebuttals please don't restore this material again. ] (]) 12:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :(I think you inadvertently removed this reply in your latest edits so restoring it:) | |||
| : I disagree, there has never been consensus for any of the controversial points, as discussed ad nauseum. ] (]) 12:26, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :: Well, I'm an academic and I thought these sources were very strong and comprehensive, and I'm astounded at how strongly some people attacked the sources. You obviously disagree strongly - for ''you'', what would it take to set things and for the "POV badge of shame" to be removed at last from the page? ] (]) 14:19, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::best discussed on the actual page I think.] (]) 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
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