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	== New Hampshire's Motto ==		== New Hampshire's Motto ==
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	"Wyatt's words were powerful and amply striking that an entire state population of New Hampshire adopted them as their motto."		"Wyatt's words were powerful and amply striking that an entire state population of New Hampshire adopted them as their motto."

			==Continental Association==
	==The Winstons==
			Hello {{yo\|Wehwalt}}. Would beg to differ that "helped to draft and signed the ]" does not merit first paragraph status (and at the moment it isn't mentioned in the lead at all). Those acts, in addition to the speech, are what qualify Henry for Founding Father status. The Association remains the main American document before the Declaration, and foreshadowed it by bringing together the colonies in a unified stand, written and enforced. Its considerable importance stands out in American history, and hopefully will be focused on in 2024 as a precursor to the 2026 250th birthday of the nation. Seeing that it was missing here actually put me on a track to put up a P. Henry template tomorrow (if the creek don't rise, etc.), and studying Henry's contributions it stands out as arguably one of his two greatest achievements and lead-paragraph worthy. ] (]) 22:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
	I know this isn't genealogy, but should one mention the father of his mother, Isaac Winston? Supposedly that Welsh side of his family is where he got his oratorical skills. ] (]) 21:35, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
			:Given that the lead is a reflection and high-level summary of the body, we would need sources, perhaps in the legacy section, that attest to the importance of Henry's actions in this regard to put it in the lead paragraph like that. What about putting it later in the lead, as part of the biography summary?--] (]) 09:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
			::My mistake in emphasizing Henry's influence on the draft of the Association, I was thinking of the ]. Yes, mention later in the lead of the Association, as well as the petition, seems appropriate, especially since Henry's signing of the Association later gave him Founding Father status as it came to be defined (signing any of the four founding documents is the golden ticket). ] (]) 12:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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			== Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2022 ==
	== Statement about Mr. Henry's opposition to the constitution marring his historical image ==

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	I previously had made a revision of this page to remove the part about " a fight which has marred his historical image." in the introduction. Since then, ] has reverted this change on the grounds that the affirmation is supported in the legacy section.
			In this paragraph, change A Founding Father to As a Founding Father.

			'''Patrick Henry''' (May 29, 1736{{spnd}}June 6, 1799) was an American attorney, planter, politician and orator known for declaring to the ] (1775): "]" A ], he served as the ] post-colonial ], from 1776 to 1779 and from 1784 to 1786. ] (]) 02:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
	I've read the ] section and still think it is a non neutral point of view. The section mentions Mr. Kid's opinion that his opposition to the constitution provokes discomfort and Mr. Beeman's opinion that he was a short-sighted looser, because he could not see the national greatness of the constitution. These to me, seem inherently non neutral viewpoints, which assume that the constitution was good, and consequently, opposition to it bad. I think these views do have a place in the section, but I do not think they support the categorical statement that this opposition marred his historical image. Whatever you think of him, the fact is that he opposed ratification of the US constitution. Whether it is thought by some to be a bad thing is the subject of further exposition in the article. ] (]) 16:32, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
	:~~:The~~ ~~statement~~ is ~~not~~ ~~meant~~ to ~~judge~~ ~~the~~ ~~worth~~ of ~~the opinions~~, ~~simply~~ ~~that~~ ~~they~~ ~~are there~~. ~~But~~ if ~~you feel the statement should not be there, I'm OK with removing it~~.--] (]) 18:20, 7 ~~July~~ ~~2019 (UTC)~~		:I don't think it's necessary to say "as a founding father, he served as ... Governor of Virginia."--] (]) 05:57, 20 May 2022
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	== ~~small issue~~ ==		== Freemasonry ==
	I see you strike out "At the Convention, Henry, who was famous for his ] speach in 1775, now argued against the Constitution with the infamous words: "They'll free your niggers", as he tried to convince the slavholding delegats to vote against a strong federal government." Make more sense now to me.

			Source: {{cite book\|url=https://www.google.it/books/edition/Congressional_Record/tcodL2NWwNMC?hl=it&gbpv=1&pg=SL1-PA4791&printsec=frontcover\|page=4791\|date=June 14\|title=Congressional Record. Proceedings and Debates of the ... Congress\|publisher=U.S. Government Printing Office\|author=United States. Congress}} Quote: "Tom Paine, Patrick Henry, James Otis, and John Paul Jones were all Masons." ] (]) 20:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
	"... a speech by Henry on the subject of the Constitution and Smith's own rebuttal", is this means, Henry have made some speech before the ratification convention， which I could found , Smith doesn't approved Henry's action so arrange students to read it loud, make him feel bad?--] (]) 08:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

			== Link error ==
	:"At least three ships have been named in Henry's honor: the Civil War ] ] {{ship\|CSS\|Patrick Henry}}, ] ] {{SS\|Patrick Henry}} and the ] {{USS\|Patrick Henry\|SSBN-599}}", perhaps add a footnote for this.--] (]) 08:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
	::Although Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source, the links themselves provide the necessary verification in this case.--] (]) 09:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
	:::I understand, but I can't found source within the first article.--] (]) 11:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

			“ but bought property in Prince Edward County instead. Hampden-Sydney College, which he had helped found in 1775, is located in that county ….”
	== Infobox not mentioning legislative service ==

			Prince Edward County links to Ontario but the school is in Virginia. ] (]) 01:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
	While the current infobox mentions Henry's terms as governor, Virginia's governors of that era were elected by fellow legislators. Although I recognize this is a fine article, really much of his fame was for legislative activities (including orations). A longer infobox would not only illustrate his constituencies, it also would balance the long table of contents. FYI, I can't see whether this is mentioned in previously archived talk pages, so apologize if this repeats ground.] (])
	::He represented, I think, some five or six counties. If this could be consolidated into one infobox entry, such as we do with ], I'd be fine with it.--] (]) 20:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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New Hampshire's Motto

{{edit semi-protected "Patrick Henry’s words were powerful and amply striking that an entire state population of New Hampshire adopted them as their motto." }}

I would like to add the following sentence under sections in Patrick Henry's Misplaced Pages page that discuss his political speeches where there is not mention whatsoever of his popular phrase being adopted by the State of New Hampshire as its motto, but a bullying has resulted in disregarding other possibilities including that oral stories commonly practiced in ancient New England preserved Henry's words during times of excessive tyrannical rule, because of frequent acts of terror including burnings of property and materials: "Wyatt's words were powerful and amply striking that an entire state population of New Hampshire adopted them as their motto."

Continental Association

Hello @Wehwalt:. Would beg to differ that "helped to draft and signed the Continental Association" does not merit first paragraph status (and at the moment it isn't mentioned in the lead at all). Those acts, in addition to the speech, are what qualify Henry for Founding Father status. The Association remains the main American document before the Declaration, and foreshadowed it by bringing together the colonies in a unified stand, written and enforced. Its considerable importance stands out in American history, and hopefully will be focused on in 2024 as a precursor to the 2026 250th birthday of the nation. Seeing that it was missing here actually put me on a track to put up a P. Henry template tomorrow (if the creek don't rise, etc.), and studying Henry's contributions it stands out as arguably one of his two greatest achievements and lead-paragraph worthy. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Given that the lead is a reflection and high-level summary of the body, we would need sources, perhaps in the legacy section, that attest to the importance of Henry's actions in this regard to put it in the lead paragraph like that. What about putting it later in the lead, as part of the biography summary?--Wehwalt (talk) 09:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

My mistake in emphasizing Henry's influence on the draft of the Association, I was thinking of the Petition to the King. Yes, mention later in the lead of the Association, as well as the petition, seems appropriate, especially since Henry's signing of the Association later gave him Founding Father status as it came to be defined (signing any of the four founding documents is the golden ticket). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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In this paragraph, change A Founding Father to As a Founding Father.

Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) was an American attorney, planter, politician and orator known for declaring to the Second Virginia Convention (1775): "Give me liberty, or give me death!" A Founding Father, he served as the first and sixth post-colonial Governor of Virginia, from 1776 to 1779 and from 1784 to 1786. Therman5902 (talk) 02:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to say "as a founding father, he served as ... Governor of Virginia."--Wehwalt (talk) 05:57, 20 May 2022

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Freemasonry

Source: United States. Congress (June 14). Congressional Record. Proceedings and Debates of the ... Congress. U.S. Government Printing Office. p. 4791. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) Quote: "Tom Paine, Patrick Henry, James Otis, and John Paul Jones were all Masons." 82.50.120.25 (talk) 20:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Link error

“ but bought property in Prince Edward County instead. Hampden-Sydney College, which he had helped found in 1775, is located in that county ….”

Prince Edward County links to Ontario but the school is in Virginia. 134.41.82.59 (talk) 01:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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