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Alina Soupian

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete. Doesn't meet WP:GNG and almost entirely sourced from one website OrebroVi (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Probably can be redirected to Israeli Figure Skating Championships after her medal year is added to the tables. gidonb (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Naftali Schiff

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Fails WP:GNG. The article reads a lot like a CV. The piece "Rabbi Naftali Schiff: Aish UK's wonderwall" by The Jewish Chronicle might be one source that counts towards notability, but other than that, I haven't been able to find much. Mooonswimmer 15:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

JCC Maccabi Youth Games

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Redirect to parent org Maccabi World Union, where it is better contextualized. Youth version of the notable Maccabiah Games. Longhornsg (talk) 16:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Merge (highly selectively) into Jewish Community Center. I do not see it mentioned at the target so the proposed redirect is not really an option. Plus, it's basically a program of the Jewish Community Centers, in collaboration with Maccabi. gidonb (talk) 03:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hezbollah Headquarters

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Redirect to Haret Hreik. WP:RS do not identify this as a distinct entity but rather use it as a descriptive term. The cited provide only WP:PASSING mentions of a "Hezbollah headquarters" with their primary focus on information already covered in existing Misplaced Pages articles. Consolidating this content under Haret Hreik is more appropriate, as the area encompasses the context discussed here. A redirect ensures the information remains accessible without duplicating content unnecessarily. Longhornsg (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Palestinian political violence

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This page should be merged into Israeli–Palestinian conflict, where the majority of Palestinian acts of political violence are covered. Instead of being summarized here, acts of Palestinian political violence should be included both in Israeli–Palestinian conflict and in relevant pages, such as Black September, 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel, 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine.

This may be the only article on Misplaced Pages that covers acts of violence by a certain ethnic group, except in a particular contexts like German atrocities of 1914. The article, based on its description, by definition employees a non neutral POV. Therefore, rather have a broad article about all modern acts of political violence committed by members of an ethnic group globally, information about Palestinian (and Israeli) acts of violence are much better situated (and already included) in more specific and relevant articles, such as 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel, Palestinian suicide attacks (a very specific type of terrorism), Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel, 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, First Intifada, Second Intifada, and Israeli-Palestinian conflict pages.

I have also initiated a deletion discussion for Zionist political violence, which I believe should be merged into Israeli–Palestinian conflict as well, where most of the information in both articles is already covered.Firecat93 (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Both topics (including the Zionist one) are notable and both suggested targets would not benefit from a merge, merging them into them would make it worse. Distinct types of 'political violence' are notable - same reason we have Left-wing terrorism and Right-wing terrorism as articles. I do see an issue with the ethnic aspect you mentioned, but as you say we have articles on similar war atrocities committed by the Germans so it's not without precedent, this is clearly a very discussed topic and the merge suggested would make everything unclear. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Some subtopics of broader topics are significant enough to warrant their own article.--Reprarina (talk) 04:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment in Support (additional comment from author of AfD): The article is a summary of all moderns acts of political violence (and, frankly, violence more generally) committed globally by Palestinians (an ethnonational group). No such article exists for any other ethnic group (e.g. there is no article centered on Russian political violence or American political violence or Venezuelan political violence or British political violence or Turkish political violence, etc.) Many of these topics are arguably much broader. Furthermore, of all of the acts described in Palestinian political violence are already included (usually in more detail) in relevant articles, such as Israel–Hamas war and Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Therefore, per Misplaced Pages guidelines, this article should be merged: WP:OVERLAP. When doing so, as needed, existing articles can be expanded. Firecat93 (talk) 05:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    You cannot vote twice, so you shouldn't have done the vote bolding. It makes it seem like another person supported it. And as you admitted - this is not true, in that we have an article on German atrocities. While that is constrained to the specific conflict, this in practice is also constrained to the specific conflict. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PARAKANYAA No, it is not constrained to the specific conflict. It is constrained to a specific ethnic group.
    For instance, the article includes acts of political violence against the British during the Mandatory Period, including the 1936-39 revolt, which is a different conflict than the ongoing Israel-Palestinian conflict. It also includes violence during Black September and attempts to assassinate Jordanian kings (conflict with Jordan), internal Palestinian violence and fighting, and political violence in the context of the Lebanese Civil War and conflict with the Lebanese Phalangists. Also, notably, acts of political violence committed in support of the Palestinian cause by non-ethnic Palestinians are not included).
    This an article that (poorly) attempts to covers all acts of political violent committed by ethnic Palestinians in the modern era. It lacks context and nuance, and is very different than an article that covers violence, terrorism, etc. in particular contexts or by particular governments or groups. Firecat93 (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    Well yes, the conflict has been going on for a long time and I feel an article like this would naturally cover precursor elements and cases where it bleeds over into other countries. Also I would just delete the whole table at the bottom it is wholly unsourced. The title or individual items can be quibbled on but the sources do evidence to me that this is generally a notable concept. This is the parent article of several others as well, which makes this even more complicated. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is the first sentence in the article lead: "Palestinian political violence refers to acts of violence or terrorism committed by Palestinians with the intent to accomplish political goals, and often carried out in the context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
    This article attempts to summarize all acts of violence or terrorism committed by Palestinians with the intent to accomplish political goals. It is far too broad and its contents summarize existing information in other articles. (E.g. war crimes on October 7th are already described in much greater detail in October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel) Firecat93 (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Here is the first sentence of the lead of German atrocities of 1914: "The German atrocities of 1914 were committed by the Imperial German Army at the beginning of World War I in Belgium, particularly in Wallonia, and in France in the departments of Meuse, Ardennes, and Meurthe-et-Moselle."
    This is not an article about all atrocities by Germans in 1914. It has a specific context - Imperial German Army atrocities at the beginning of World War I in Belgium and France. Additionally, this article does not extensively overlap with or summarize other articles. Instead, it expands upon existing articles on World War I.
    An article, however, that attempts to summarize all atrocities committed by ethnic Germans since the unification of German speaking states in the 19th century would, very clearly, not be appropriate. In your view, would it also be appropriate to have an article that attempt to summarize all acts of political violence committed by Indians, Germans, Jews, African Americans, or Tunisians etc.? Firecat93 (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose 1. Not all of this was directed against Israel. 2. It is useful to usage a historical overview that connects individual pages about specific events. 3. There are stronger reasons to keep Zionist political violence, a much greater proportion of that page is not Israelis vs Palestinians, and keeping one without the other is unbalanced. I.M.B. (talk) 05:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment: This nomination is out of scope for XfD because it's a merge request (it's actually two merge requests). BusterD (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    Adding to this comment, I speedily closed this discussion as "keep" and encouraged the nominator to start a merge proposal instead. However, I reverted my actions because it seems that there are a few objections to keeping Palestinian political violence entirely, (presumably) including as a redirect. Yue🌙 22:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose the reason you gave isn't sufficient for a deletion Codonified (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

accidental deletion of comments

@Jerome-Banjer, MWFwiki, PARAKANYAA, and Firecat93: SORRY! When I checked my edit history I saw a big delete here that I didn't do intentionally. 1266783535
I really don't know what went wrong. But it is too late to just click undo and it seems inappropriate to put back other users' comments when there has been discussion in between, so I'm tagging everyone whose comments seem to be removed. Again, I'm very sorry, I don't know what went wrong, but I thought it best to point it out ASAP. Industrial Metal Brain 11:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Zionist political violence

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This page should be merged into Israeli–Palestinian conflict and Zionism, where the majority of Zionist acts of political violence are covered.

I have also initiated a deletion discussion for Palestinian political violence, which I believe should be merged into Israeli–Palestinian conflict as well. Firecat93 (talk) 23:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Both topics are notable and both suggested targets would not benefit from a merge, merging them into them would make it worse. Distinct types of 'political violence' are notable - same reason we have Left-wing terrorism and Right-wing terrorism as articles. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose, this nomination did not give clear reasons this should be merged to the proposed targets. There is no similarity between this article and Israeli–Palestinian conflict and Zionism. They are sufficiently different and can all be stand alone articles. Merging would lead to loss of valuable information in the Zionist political violence article. Seminita (talk) 09:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose. 1. The targets were often a third side who are not included in "Israeli–Palestinian conflict". A large proportion of the attacks on this page were against the British colonial government in Mandatory Palestine. The Zionist militant groups also attacked international targets. 2. This page is mostly about an era before Israel existed as anything other than a plan or ambition. No mainstream sources describe these groups as "Israeli" prior to 1948. Sources from the 1940s talk about "Palestinian" terrorists and the "Palestinian government", but neither of those refer to what "Palestinian" means in "Israeli–Palestinian conflict". 3. The page Zionism is more appropriate, but combining them would be too big for a page. I.M.B. (talk) 05:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Procedural oppose: This is a request for two separate merges, not deletion. BusterD (talk) 22:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Merge as proposed by the nominator, especially because we already have a page about Jewish extremist terrorism. My very best wishes (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Tzameret Fuerst

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Advert. all sources are PR, no in-depth personal coverage --Altenmann >talk 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

please note and check that the start up got raft of criticism, allegedly unproven scientific benefits. It is mentioned briefly in the book "Thou Shalt Innovate" by Avi Jorisch, pp. 190-191, the book dedicated to the start up 33 words, the book discuss the greatest innovations that came out of Israel. And guess what ? Tzameret Fuerst not mentioned there, but the three founders of the company mentioned there. It is not her Start-Up, she was married to one of the founders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC7:50E:22C2:778:5634:1232:5476 (talk)

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Cydoor

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Fails WP:GNG BryceM2001 (talk) 20:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting due to lack of participation. User:BryceM2001, as the nominator, please respond to the question asked of you here. You didn't provide much of a deletion rationale for this article or show that a BEFORE had been done.
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YL Ventures

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Mostly about routine funding. Some info from Techcrunch but notability is limited per WP:TECHCRUNCH. This was previously deleted per AfD before. Imcdc Contact 01:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Viola Group

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. This article was AFD before but I don't really agree with the provided sources by the now-blocked user. They don't seem to pass WP:SIRS in my view regarding the subject itself. Another user has tagged this article for multiple issues including notabilit. It also doesn't help this article is created by a suspected paid editor who has 5 out of 6 articles deleted with this being the last one remaining.

I am submitting this article to look at this again given that NCORP requirements are more stringent now. Imcdc Contact 05:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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AEYE Health

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AEYE Health does not appear to meet WP:ORG. In going through the sources, they appear to be press releases or otherwise connected with the company, and the very small number of exceptions do not appear to be significant. There is material out there, but nothing that I think passes WP:ORG, as I cannot find material which is clearly both independent and significant. Hopefully someone can do a better job than I did, but at the moment I cannot find enough to get this past the requirements. - Bilby (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bilby, I see there are several generic sources like Reuters or Fortune, while others, such as the British Journal of Ophthalmology, Modern Retina, and Ophthalmology Times, appear to be specialized journals in the field. Additionally, we're talking about an entity that is bringing significant changes to the sector thanks to the use of innovations such as Artificial Intelligence, supported by studies. Do you have any specific suggestions on how to enrich the entry? Can I ask the company to send me better materials so I can submit them for your review and that of other editors? Thanks! Dirindalex1988 (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hi! Sorry for taking so long to reply - it is a surprisingly busy time of the year. But, when I went through the references:
  • Mentions AEYE health in passing, but does not cover the company in depth
  • does discuss the company, but reads like a press release or advertorial.
  • is not independent
  • consists of little more than a series of quotes from the CEO
  • is a copy of a press release
  • does cover Aeye health, but has only seven sentences on the subject
  • seems only to state that a company has invested in Aeye.
  • copy of a press release
  • Standard coverage of a company, appears to be based on a press release
  • Summary of a press release
  • Summary of a press release
  • Summary of a press release
  • No mention of Aeye
None of this seems to be sufficiently independent and in-depth. - Bilby (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello Bilby,
First of all, thank you for your detailed response, and of course, I completely understand that during these festive days it’s challenging to manage everything! While I understand that some sources are merely press releases and thus not usable, I have a few reservations about some of your comments.
Finally, if it might be useful, I’d like to highlight this other source:
https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/aeye-health-receives-fda-510k-ai-backed-diabetic-retinopathy-screening
https://time.com/collection/time100-ai-2024/
https://time.com/7012722/zack-dvey-aharon/ Dirindalex1988 (talk) 09:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
To explain:
  • Fortune.com: the coverage of Aeye health consists of passing mentiosn "... and Israeli software company AEYE Health" and "AEYE Health said its eye exam is used by “low hundreds” of U.S. providers". As far as I can tell, that is the extent of the specific coverage in the article.
  • calcalist.co.il: is an interview. It is something, but an interview isn't really independent coverage.
  • bjo.bmj.com: at first it looked great. Then I realised that every author of the study is an employee, board member or the CEO of the company. So I can't see it as independent.
  • globes.co.il: is a standard statement of an investment, which reads exactly like a presss release.
  • Reuters.com: is a clear summary of a press release.
I think that nocamels.com is the best, but mostly it is the CEO talking up his company. That's not a lot to go on. The requirment is for "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Run-of-the-mill coverage of press releases, papers written by the company, or sources that make only a passing reference do not tend to meet this criteria. - Bilby (talk) 09:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, everything is much clearer now. In the meantime, I’d like to point out these two additional sources from Google Books and Scholar:
https://bostoneyeblink.com/category/uncategorized/
https://www.google.it/books/edition/The_Startup_Protocol/PkLyEAAAQBAJ?hl=it&gbpv=1&dq=%22AEYE+Health%22+-wikipedia&pg=PT39&printsec=frontcover
https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2795094
Do you think they could be usable? Dirindalex1988 (talk) 10:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Sources need to be independent of the subject. Sources written predominently by people working with or for Aeye Health are unlikely to pass that bar. - Bilby (talk) 11:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you as always! I’m attaching additional sources I’ve found; they should be independent:
https://time.com/7012722/zack-dvey-aharon/ The CEO is mentioned in the TIME100AI list due to the work of the company, the entire peice is about the company and the technology, not about his personal life.
https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/h11qwtyma
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001490971
https://www.umassmed.edu/arc-pbrn/current-projects/project-4-page-generic/airs-pc/
Regarding bjo.bmj.com, the British Journal of Ophthalmology is a highly reputable peer-reviewed journal, which has accepted the article for publication, including research published by the company that bolsters its credibility and reinforces the validity of its claims.
P.s I know I’m making a lot of requests and don’t want to overwhelm you. Is there a way to seek help from other experienced editors or admins as well? Dirindalex1988 (talk) 17:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
The BMJ article is written entirely by staff and board members from Aeye health. It may be published in a journal, but it is not independent. UMass has partnered with Aeye Health to produce their report. It is thus not independent. The globes.co.il article is an interview with the CEO. It is therefore not independent. The ynetnews article is simply quotes from press releases by Aeye Health. It is also not independent. The Time article is the only one of note. If someone feels that five paragraphs published about the founder is suffficently in-depth to warrant an article, I will be surprised, but it is a start.
You could try asking in WP:Teahouse for assistance. I would also recommend reading the requirements at Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies), which does a good job of explaining the situation. Otherwise, hopefully more people will choose to be involved in this discussion. - Bilby (talk) 01:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
The Time 100 article was sourced from a PRnewsire press release and an interview with the CEO of AEYE. The writer was paid with a $50,000 grant (Tarbell Fellowship) from A.I. organization donors who say they exercise no editorial control, but aim to increase journalistic coverage of companies working in A.I. For me, it's hard to see this article as separate from promotion by AEYE. Even if Time claims writer's independence from the donors, the link to PRnewswire is in the middle of the article. If this was notable, there should be another source of information besides a press release. Just Al (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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  • Delete: I agree with the analysis of nom's reference not qualifying GNG/ORG guidelines. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️ 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Draftify: In light of the ongoing discussion regarding the potential deletion, it would also be possible to propose the option of transforming the entry into a draft? This approach would provide the necessary time and flexibility to address the concerns raised, particularly regarding the lack of reliable sources. Dirindalex1988 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete: I also agree with the above analysis of references. None meet GNG/WP:NCORP guidelines. Not against sending to Drafts either. HighKing 15:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


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