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== ClueBot NG on SqWiki ==

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I'm a crat from SqWiki. These days I was shown ClueBot NG from a user when I asked him advice in fighting vandalism. Would it be possible to make ClueBot NG work in wikis other than EnWiki? We (and I believe a lot of other wikis as well) would be really grateful to benefit from it if it was possible. - ] (]) 00:49, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Klein Muçi}} it can, however I needs a lot of training data. Pinging {{ping|DamianZaremba}} to see if he can provide more input to what is required - ]<sup>]&#124;]&#124;]</sup> 07:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
::Yeah, I understand that because I read how it worked. I was thinking to maybe keep it on a kind of a "simulation" mode while it learned (maybe just don't give it the bot flag yet?) and later unleash it in full power. - ] (]) 11:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:::I don't think it quite works like that, the bot flag is irrelevant. {{Ping|Cobi}} could maybe assist as well? - ]<sup>]&#124;]&#124;]</sup> 11:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
::::At the very least, the bot needs a several tens of thousands of randomly sampled main-space edits categorized as good or bad to even have a chance of being reasonably accurate, but ideally more. I also do not speak Albanian, so I couldn't reasonably offer support for false positives or anything like that. The bot itself is open source, and most of the tooling should be in the repo.
::::It seems that {{u|DamianZaremba}}'s been reworking some of the training tooling, but the original training tooling is mostly . It's a bit of a mess since it is mostly a snapshot of some of our working directories back when we were originally training the bot. The basic idea was there was a MySQL database called EditDB, and it had a table called .
::::Tools like took data in on stdin in the form of "123456 V" or "234567 C" to mark revid 123456 as vandalism and revid 234567 as constructive. Tools like would then emit XML suitable for training the bot's core from the edits in the EditDB. Tools like were built to find other ways of generating classifications like by checking if someone reverted real-world edits. This was not as effective as the smaller (but still large) hand-curated datasets.
::::Finally, after using generateXML.php to generate train.xml, trial.xml, and bayestrain.xml in the editsets directory (we used limit clauses to split the files, with 0-16000 in bayestrain.xml, 16000-60000 in train.xml, and the rest in trial.xml), we then ran to train the bot and then get metrics on the efficacy of the bot. There are also tools like which attempts to explore reasonable ANN parameters which are stored in and what we believe to be reasonable values for training datasets between 50,000 and 100,000 edits.
::::If any of that made some sort of sense, you may wish to give it a go. If not, maybe find a bot dev on SqWiki that has time and desire to curate and run a SqWiki version? -- ]<sup>(]&#124;]&#124;])</sup> 03:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::@], thanks a lot for taking the time to explain the details! I followed every provided link along with your explanations. I saw that there hadn't been any changes for the last decade almost so I do understand that it may appear as an "old project" for you. I have a naïve question I couldn't understand from your explanation though: You say that the bot should use around 50k results (just an example) divided into C and V type to start its training which then gets information added by reverts and more. Then you also mention "hand-curated datasets". Should I understand that those initial 50k results (again, just an example) were divided into C and V type manually? If I'm misunderstanding that, how was that initial division made?
:::::The reason I ask is because if there's one thing we (and all the small wikis) lack is a large active userbase. We struggle so much with having an active working force that that was actually what brought me here. Even after setting up strict edit filters and trying to block vandals fast, still the number of pages and changes pending review is so large that it's unmanageable by us. (We lowered it to 0 some time ago but still...) Therefore it's unfortunately very common for changes to expect review for months if not years before someone actually comes to do that. Lately we started being attacked by some IP vandals which come and change just small trivial information on articles for example the name of the city where someone is born or the date when someone died or the number of works published by someone. These are undetectable by the filters and are unblockable for very large periods of time because they're IPs (and more than one) and they're not on the same IP range. This not only lowers the project's overall integrity but also increases the workload for the already non-existing patrollers which starts a vicious cycle: New patrollers/reviewers may become interested in helping and seeing the extremely large number of pending changes feel like their work won't matter and leave which only makes the number grow more. When I asked for help here in dealing with this situation, Xaosflux showed me your bot. It is crucial for us in automatizing vandalism fighting so we can have a chance in reviewing the remaining constructive edits which may or may not be acceptable for SqWiki standards.
:::::Currently I'm the only active one dealing with bot developing in SqWiki. I run a bot myself which operates in SqWiki, SqQuote and LaWiki but it's a rather simple one working on the Pywikibot framework and the occasional AWB changes. I haven't had a chance to work on GitHub yet even though I have an account there, if I'm not wrong. I can try starting that journey (even though I'm an autodidactic coder) but I'd need a lot of guidance along the way. To be honest what I was expecting was to work towards some localization "tables", like I've done with the other imported bots in the past (maybe, most notably, IABot), not duplicate the code. I highly expected Cluebot's functionality to have been requested by many Wikis during its existence and i18n infrastructure to be already implemented in it. I was surprised to understand that I may be one of the few (if my understanding is correct) users who's going on with a request like this. - ] (]) 10:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
::::::@] The links I posted are to the original versions of the files since the original training hasn't changed in the decade or so. The bot itself has been updated more regularly in and . But, yeah, we collected and categorized some of the edits ourselves, and some had been collected by , and some were crowd-sourced by using .
::::::Essentially at a high level, the bot takes the edits and and then compares them against the known good and known bad edits' statistics using an ]. If it looks like good edits more than bad edits, it leaves it alone, otherwise it reverts it. This is essentially what machine learning is.
::::::This does, of course, lead to why the bot hasn't been localized, yet. It needs a completely new data-set for each new wiki it operates on, and no one has taken on that challenge yet. It's also why ClueBot NG does not operate on other English wikis other than en.wikipedia, because the data-set actually needs to be made for the wiki in question, not just the language. For example, an article on the English Misplaced Pages would look totally different than one on the English Wikinews or Wiktionary, and because the bot works by looking at an edit and trying to determine whether or not it belongs based on its data-set, it would notice the differences. The actual strings tables used for messages themselves are trivial to update for localization in comparison with the data-set.
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