Misplaced Pages

Talk:PHP: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 12:22, 19 November 2021 editFinnusertop (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users89,190 edits Undid revision 959127775 by Cewbot (talk)Tag: Undo← Previous edit Latest revision as of 17:01, 8 November 2024 edit undoPeaceray (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Administrators94,381 editsm Rollback edit(s) by 1.37.88.45 (talk): test edits (RW 16.1)Tags: RW Rollback 
(34 intermediate revisions by 19 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Skip to talk}} {{Skip to talk}}
{{Talk header|noarchive=yes|search=no}} {{Talk header|noarchive=yes|search=no}}
{{Article history
{{Vital article|topic=Technology|level=5|link=Misplaced Pages:Vital articles/Level/5/Technology|anchor=Programming languages (43 articles)|class=GA}}
{{Article history|action1=PR|action1date=09:46, 23 February 2008|action1link=Misplaced Pages:Peer review/PHP/archive1|action1result=reviewed|action1oldid=193456805 |action1=PR|action1date=09:46, 23 February 2008|action1link=Misplaced Pages:Peer review/PHP/archive1|action1result=reviewed|action1oldid=193456805
|action2=PR|action2date=00:02, 25 March 2008|action2link=Misplaced Pages:Peer review/PHP/archive2|action2result=reviewed|action2oldid=200566442 |action2=PR|action2date=00:02, 25 March 2008|action2link=Misplaced Pages:Peer review/PHP/archive2|action2result=reviewed|action2oldid=200566442
|action3=GAN|action3date=11:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)|action3link=Talk:PHP/Archive 6#Good article nomination|action3result=listed|action3oldid=202315889 |action3=GAN|action3date=11:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)|action3link=Talk:PHP/Archive 6#Good article nomination|action3result=listed|action3oldid=202315889
|topic=engtech |topic=engtech
|otd1date=2007-06-08|otd1oldid=136768480
|currentstatus=GA
|otd2date=2008-06-08|otd2oldid=217767227
}}
|otd3date=2009-06-08|otd3oldid=294808489
{{WikiProjectBannerShell|1=
|otd4date=2010-06-08|otd4oldid=366892913
{{WikiProject Computing|class=GA|importance=Mid|free-software=yes|free-software-importance=High|software=yes}}
|otd5date=2012-06-08|otd5oldid=496541912
{{WikiProject Computer science|class=GA|importance=mid}}
|otd6date=2015-06-08|otd6oldid=665966658
{{WikiProject Internet|class=GA|importance=Mid}}
|otd7date=2020-06-08|otd7oldid=961374169


|action4 = GAR
{{WikiProject Software|class=GA|importance=mid}}
|action4date = 22:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
{{WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages|En-PHP.ogg|462166234}}
|action4link = Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment/PHP/1
|action4result = delisted
|action4oldid = 1206545484
|currentstatus = DGA
}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=C|vital=yes|1=
{{WikiProject Computing|importance=High|free-software=yes|free-software-importance=High|software=yes}}
{{WikiProject Computer science|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Internet|importance=high}}
{{WikiProject Software|importance=mid}}
{{WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages}}
}} }}
{{On this day|date1=2007-06-08|oldid1=136768480|date2=2008-06-08|oldid2=217767227|date3=2009-06-08|oldid3=294808489|date4=2010-06-08|oldid4=366892913|date5=2012-06-08|oldid5=496541912|date6=2015-06-08|oldid6=665966658|date7=2020-06-08|oldid7=961374169}}
{{Merged-from|Visibility of PHP properties and methods|08:41, July 28, 2010}} {{Merged-from|Visibility of PHP properties and methods|08:41, July 28, 2010}}
{{Merged-from|PHP Data Objects|date=July 15, 2014}} {{Merged-from|PHP Data Objects|date=July 15, 2014}}
Line 30: Line 41:
{{archives|search=yes|bot=MiszaBot I|age=100}} {{archives|search=yes|bot=MiszaBot I|age=100}}


==GA Reassessment==
== Using Type Declaration instead of Type Hints ==
{{Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment/PHP/1}}

As my change has been reverted it seems appropriate to discuss the matter.

The PHP documentations refers to them as Type declaration, see: https://www.php.net/manual/en/functions.arguments.php#functions.arguments.type-declaration, and the original RFC introducing scalar types, uses the word "declaration", see: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/scalar_type_hints_v5
Although it is true that the PHP 5 documentation referred to them as "hints", and that the "Object Typehint" RFC is named as such but for all intent and purposes it is a type declaration.

Moreover, the word "declaration" is used in other places correctly instead of "hint", see:

{{quote|text=PHP 7 also included new language features. Most notably, it introduces return type ''declarations'' for functions which complement the existing parameter type ''declarations'', and support for the scalar types (integer, float, string, and boolean) in parameter and return type ''declarations''.}}

{{quote|text=Unusually for a dynamically typed language, PHP supports type ''declarations'' on function parameters, which are enforced at runtime. This has been supported for classes and interfaces since PHP 5.0, for arrays since PHP 5.1, for "callables" since PHP 5.4, and scalar (integer, float, string and boolean) types since PHP 7.0. PHP 7.0 also has type ''declarations'' for function return types, expressed by placing the type name after the list of parameters, preceded by a colon. For example, the getAdder function from the earlier example could be annotated with types like so in PHP 7:}}

{{quote|text=By default, scalar type ''declarations'' follow weak typing principles.}}

(Emphasis mine)

As I'm new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, I don't know what to do about the following comment from the revert commit
{{quote|text="typehint" is the commonly used term in the community.}}

As sure it is referred to that but it is not accurate, and my understanding is that Misplaced Pages articles should be accurate.

Can someone more experienced clarify?

== It's December ==

It's past 26 November so shouldn't it be in the past tense? ] (]) 20:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighting ==

The <code>syntaxhighlight</code> tag does not support modern PHP syntax:
<syntaxhighlight lang="php">
$person = new class
{
public $firstName = "John";
public $lastName = "Smith";

public function name(){
return "$this->firstName $this->lastName";
}
};
</syntaxhighlight>
or
<syntaxhighlight lang="php">
class MyClass
{
public string $var1;

public array $var2;

function pr(string|int $array, array|null $subj): float|false
{

}
}

$myObj->pr(subj: , array: "John");

</syntaxhighlight>
] (]) 17:10, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

== Dropping legacy file extensions ==

The infobox currently has this for file extensions:

php, phtml, php3, php4, php5, php7, phps, php-s, pht, phar

Some of these are extremely rare to see in the wild, like <code>php3</code>. I am wondering if it would make sense to drop these from the infobox, so we are left with just the common ones (roughly sorted by how common):

php, phar, phps, phtml

And then perhaps we have a line somewhere in the article that explains why you might come across something like <code>.php3</code> in a legacy system? Modern PHP just does not have all these silly extensions.

] (]) 09:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:01, 8 November 2024

Skip to table of contents
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the PHP article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Former good articlePHP was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
On this day... Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 23, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
March 25, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
April 1, 2008Good article nomineeListed
February 12, 2024Good article reassessmentDelisted
On this day... Facts from this article were featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 8, 2007, June 8, 2008, June 8, 2009, June 8, 2010, June 8, 2012, June 8, 2015, and June 8, 2020.
Current status: Delisted good article
This  level-5 vital article is rated C-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject iconComputing: Software / Free and open-source software High‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Computing, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computers, computing, and information technology on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ComputingWikipedia:WikiProject ComputingTemplate:WikiProject ComputingComputing
HighThis article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Software.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by Free and open-source software (assessed as High-importance).
WikiProject iconComputer science High‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Computer science, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Computer science related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Computer scienceWikipedia:WikiProject Computer scienceTemplate:WikiProject Computer scienceComputer science
HighThis article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
Things you can help WikiProject Computer science with:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
WikiProject iconInternet High‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Internet on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.InternetWikipedia:WikiProject InternetTemplate:WikiProject InternetInternet
HighThis article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject iconSoftware: Computing Mid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Software, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of software on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SoftwareWikipedia:WikiProject SoftwareTemplate:WikiProject Softwaresoftware
MidThis article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Computing.
WikiProject iconSpoken Misplaced Pages
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles that are spoken on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Spoken WikipediaWikipedia:WikiProject Spoken WikipediaTemplate:WikiProject Spoken WikipediaSpoken Misplaced Pages
The contents of the Visibility of PHP properties and methods page were merged into PHP on 08:41, July 28, 2010. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.
The contents of the PHP Data Objects page were merged into PHP on July 15, 2014. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.


Archives
Archive 1Archive 2Archive 3
Archive 4Archive 5Archive 6
Archive 7Archive 8


This page has archives. Sections older than 100 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present.

GA Reassessment

PHP

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article (edit | visual edit | history· Article talk (edit | history· WatchWatch article reassessment page • GAN review not found
Result: Delisted. Hog Farm Talk 22:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Multiple issues. The article is peppered with {{cn}} tags, and is largely based on primary sources (with not enough weight being given to third party sources). There is a one line section covering the PHP Foundation which should probably eithier be integrated into "History" (or removed completely). Additionally there are multiple dubious statements and promotional SEAOFBLUEs in the "Use" section while the "Security" section offers uncited WP:NOTGUIDE advice on security matters Sohom (talk) 08:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Categories: