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:"Prabhupada" is the honorific, not "Swami". ] (]) 10:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC) :"Prabhupada" is the honorific, not "Swami". ] (]) 10:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
::Please read my comment once again. It does not matter what he wants himself to be called as. This is not his website. ] (]) 10:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:::What would you prefer he be called? Roger? Stan? Madonna? ] (]) 10:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
::::The only commonly recognised alternative would be "Prabhupada", which is an honorific. ] (]) 10:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::He or Sridhar. ] (]) 10:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
::::::He is consistently referred to as Sridhar throughout. Read the article. ] (]) 10:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
{{od}}You are edit warring. Please do not add the template again until this is resolved. ] (]) 10:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

:The templates should not have been removed without generating consensus that the problems have been resolved. Please self revert and restore the maintenance templates. Please read ] ] (]) 11:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
::What problems? What exactly do you want resolved here?

::* Sridhar is referred to as Sridhar throughout
::* The only use of "Swami" is to refer to Bhaktivedanta Swami (where Swami is his name, equivalent to Sridhar, with Bhaktivedanta equivalent to Bhakti-rakshak)
::* How is the tone promotional? Please be more specific and suggest changes where appropriate. I welcome constructive feedback but not ]

::] (]) 11:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:::Why not refer The guy whose article is currently at "''']'''" as Prabhupada ? Why Swami ? ] (]) 11:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
::::Well, I chose to use "Swami" when I wrote the article because "Prabhupada" is an honorific (meaning one at whose feet the masters sit). But if you want to use the honorific instead, be my guest. ] (]) 11:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::It does not matter what you or me prefer to call him. What matters is how reliable source not connected to this person are calling him. And I note they call him "Prabhupada" see ] (]) 12:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::Moreover, Swamy is a common honorific, Prabhupada is not. ] (]) 12:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
::::::Swami is an honorific ''when it's not part of someone's name''. I.e. Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananada, Swami Yogananda, etc. As is explained in the article I linked above, "Swami" is the gentleman in question's sannyasa name, not an honorific. Used as an honorific, he'd be Swami (Bhaktivedanta) Swami.

::::::As I said, change it to Prabhupada if you want. I used his name instead to avoid honorifics, but if you think ] is more important than ], I don't have any objection to your changing it. ] (]) 12:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Ok. I note your agreement. I will update. ] (]) 12:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I have done some light copy editing, but there are still issues relating to ] tone that need to be addressed. The Fan POV tag need to be restored and not removed until these are fixed. Eg. " provided spiritual guidance". ] (]) 12:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

== Article title need to be corrected has honorifics ==

The title of this article violates ]. Bhakti Rakshak is never a name, but a honorary title. I am curious to know what sources not connected to ISKCON call him? This source from the reference section calls him Sridhar Swami who changed his name and finally became Narayana Swami. ] (]) 13:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
:It quite clearly says "B. R. Sridhara" in the article you have linked, though the author has got it slightly wrong: Gaudiya Math sannyasis have "Swami" before their name rather than after. There are no honorifics in this article title – if there were it would be called something like "Swami B. R. Sridhar" or "Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami", to give him his full title.

:The "Narayana Swami" mentioned is Bhaktivedanta Narayana, a completely different person who only died in 2010. : Note the honorifics ("Srila", "Gosvami" and "Maharaja").

:I'm curious as to why you're wading into this area (the names of Gaudiya Vaishnava sannyasis) when you clearly don't have any expertise here. ] (]) 17:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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Fan pov

The article calls him Swami throughout this article. He is Swamy for his followers, not for the general public and Misplaced Pages. The tone is also promotional in nature. Venkat TL (talk) 09:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Who? Bhaktivedanta Swami? That was his name: "Swami" was his name as a sannyasi, comparable to "Sridhar" in this article (though obviously the former didn't go by "Swami BV Swami", for obvious reasons). There are also Swami Goswamis -- for example, Bhakti Saranga Goswami, where the "Goswami" is his sannyasa name.
Bhaktivedanta Swami explains it himself in this article:

So far the title "Swami" is concerned, although this word is used generally for sannyasins, this "Swami" is my particular name as a sannyasi. Therefore, it must be suffixed at the end of my real name, A.C. Bhaktivedanta. So far the prefix "Swami" is concerned, every sannyasi has got to do that, but two ways "Swami" (Swami A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami) is not good looking. The end "Swami" is necessary because it is my sannyasa name.

"Prabhupada" is the honorific, not "Swami". Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Please read my comment once again. It does not matter what he wants himself to be called as. This is not his website. Venkat TL (talk) 10:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
What would you prefer he be called? Roger? Stan? Madonna? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
The only commonly recognised alternative would be "Prabhupada", which is an honorific. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
He or Sridhar. Venkat TL (talk) 10:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
He is consistently referred to as Sridhar throughout. Read the article. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

You are edit warring. Please do not add the template again until this is resolved. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

The templates should not have been removed without generating consensus that the problems have been resolved. Please self revert and restore the maintenance templates. Please read Help:Maintenance template removal Venkat TL (talk) 11:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
What problems? What exactly do you want resolved here?
  • Sridhar is referred to as Sridhar throughout
  • The only use of "Swami" is to refer to Bhaktivedanta Swami (where Swami is his name, equivalent to Sridhar, with Bhaktivedanta equivalent to Bhakti-rakshak)
  • How is the tone promotional? Please be more specific and suggest changes where appropriate. I welcome constructive feedback but not drive-by tagging
Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Why not refer The guy whose article is currently at "A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada" as Prabhupada ? Why Swami ? Venkat TL (talk) 11:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Well, I chose to use "Swami" when I wrote the article because "Prabhupada" is an honorific (meaning one at whose feet the masters sit). But if you want to use the honorific instead, be my guest. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
It does not matter what you or me prefer to call him. What matters is how reliable source not connected to this person are calling him. And I note they call him "Prabhupada" see Venkat TL (talk) 12:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Moreover, Swamy is a common honorific, Prabhupada is not. Venkat TL (talk) 12:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Swami is an honorific when it's not part of someone's name. I.e. Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananada, Swami Yogananda, etc. As is explained in the article I linked above, "Swami" is the gentleman in question's sannyasa name, not an honorific. Used as an honorific, he'd be Swami (Bhaktivedanta) Swami.
As I said, change it to Prabhupada if you want. I used his name instead to avoid honorifics, but if you think WP:COMMONNAME is more important than WP:HONORIFICS, I don't have any objection to your changing it. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 12:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok. I note your agreement. I will update. Venkat TL (talk) 12:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I have done some light copy editing, but there are still issues relating to WP:NPOV tone that need to be addressed. The Fan POV tag need to be restored and not removed until these are fixed. Eg. " provided spiritual guidance". Venkat TL (talk) 12:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Article title need to be corrected has honorifics

The title of this article violates WP:HONORIFIC. Bhakti Rakshak is never a name, but a honorary title. I am curious to know what sources not connected to ISKCON call him? This source from the reference section calls him Sridhar Swami who changed his name and finally became Narayana Swami. Venkat TL (talk) 13:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It quite clearly says "B. R. Sridhara" in the article you have linked, though the author has got it slightly wrong: Gaudiya Math sannyasis have "Swami" before their name rather than after. There are no honorifics in this article title – if there were it would be called something like "Swami B. R. Sridhar" or "Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami", to give him his full title.
The "Narayana Swami" mentioned is Bhaktivedanta Narayana, a completely different person who only died in 2010. You can read about him here: Note the honorifics ("Srila", "Gosvami" and "Maharaja").
I'm curious as to why you're wading into this area (the names of Gaudiya Vaishnava sannyasis) when you clearly don't have any expertise here. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 17:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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