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			The result was '''keep'''. After sources have been found, and the article accordingly edited, there is little or no opposition to keeping the article. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 21:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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	*'''Delete''' per nom. Even being first would be contexual. There are no de facto rules. ] (]) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)		*'''Delete''' per nom. Even being first would be contexual. There are no de facto rules. ] (]) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
	*'''Comment'''. She founded the Denny Hospital for Women and Children, which seems like a potential claim to notability; there's lots of hits in Google Books relating to this but I can't see enough text in snippet view. ] <small>(])</small> 04:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)		*'''Comment'''. She founded the Denny Hospital for Women and Children, which seems like a potential claim to notability; there's lots of hits in Google Books relating to this but I can't see enough text in snippet view. ] <small>(])</small> 04:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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	*(Another) '''comment'''. There's detailed discussion of Chatterjee and her family in this blog post by medical historian Dr Jaipreet Virdi: . This references two pages in Arley Isabel Munson's ''Jungle Days: Being the Experiences of an American Woman Doctor in India'' (D. Appleton; 1913), which comes up in searches but whose text isn't viewable. ] <small>(])</small> 00:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)		*(Another) '''comment'''. There's detailed discussion of Chatterjee and her family in this blog post by medical historian Dr Jaipreet Virdi: . This references two pages in Arley Isabel Munson's ''Jungle Days: Being the Experiences of an American Woman Doctor in India'' (D. Appleton; 1913), which comes up in searches but whose text isn't viewable. ] <small>(])</small> 00:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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	*'''Keep''' - per above, and I attempted to add recent article to add support for ] notability and the objective and ongoing significance of her achievements, which is not only her graduation from an American school and return to India, but also her founding of a hospital. So at minimum per ], there appears to be ongoing support for her notability, even if it is not currently in the article. ] (]) 14:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)		*'''Keep''' - per above, and I attempted to add recent article to add support for ] notability and the objective and ongoing significance of her achievements, which is not only her graduation from an American school and return to India, but also her founding of a hospital. So at minimum per ], there appears to be ongoing support for her notability, even if it is not currently in the article. ] (]) 14:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
	*'''Keep:''' Agree with above. Notability established. - ] (]) 19:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)		*'''Keep:''' Agree with above. Notability established. - ] (]) 19:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. After sources have been found, and the article accordingly edited, there is little or no opposition to keeping the article. Sandstein 21:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Dora Chatterjee

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The third woman from India to graduate from the Woman's Medical College of Pennsylvania.

The first woman to graduate from medical college would certainly be extremely notable.

The first woman to graduate from a particular medical college might possibly be notable, but not the third;

The first woman from a particularc ountry to graduate from medical school would certainly be notable.

The first woman from a particular country to graduate from a particular medical school might even conceivably be notable --but certainly not the 3rd

"among first women from India to earn a medical degree" is meaningless--. The first would be, but not among the first.

I strongly support the additional of all actually notable women to WP, and there are many thousands still to be done; I am willing to accept "firsts" of this sort despitethe fact that we're NOT GUINNESS--but this is getting absurd.

There does not sem to be any other notability. DGG ( talk ) 17:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete She was the third person to earn bla bla bla, what did she do with her career? I don't see notability. She's got one mention in the Jungle Days book in GBooks, nothing in Gscholar or Jstor. Bit of a stretch, but I'm still not seeing notability. Oaktree b (talk) 05:52, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete Agreed, being the 3rd Indian woman to graduate from a specific university is not notable enough. SadAttorney613(talk) 12:03, 14 December 2021
Delete per nom. Even being first would be contexual. There are no de facto rules. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment. She founded the Denny Hospital for Women and Children, which seems like a potential claim to notability; there's lots of hits in Google Books relating to this but I can't see enough text in snippet view. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: relisting in light of Espresso Addict's comment, an additional week of discussion can't hurt
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 _Work 22:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

(Another) comment. There's detailed discussion of Chatterjee and her family in this blog post by medical historian Dr Jaipreet Virdi: . This references two pages in Arley Isabel Munson's Jungle Days: Being the Experiences of an American Woman Doctor in India (D. Appleton; 1913), which comes up in searches but whose text isn't viewable. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
archive.org has it Eddie891 _Work 00:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

This one (spelling Chatterji) states that she was the "first woman medical graduate of Punjab" which seems adequate for notability. Together with the many Google Books hits about her hospital work, I think there's enough to meet the GNG and flesh out a decent portrait, so going with formal Keep. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Keep I've updated the article to reflect that she was the first woman from Punjab to receive a medical degree. I agree with Espresso Addict that this makes a case for notability.-Ariel Cetrone (WMDC) (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep Based on an entry in the Women Scientists in India pdf at https://nbtindia.gov.in/writereaddata/freebooks/pdf/Women%20Scientists%20in%20India.pdf (it looks like its published by the Indian government). There were contemporary reports of her graduation in American newspapers, for example https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85034438/1901-06-30/ed-1/seq-19/ Piecesofuk (talk) 17:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That's a fascinating book; it states she was the 6th Indian woman to graduate in medicine at all (and one of these died before she could practice) and only the 3rd recorded with an MD degree. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Delete This is what happens when we let politics drive our editing. The subject fails GNG and ANYBIO; that's it. Any other sources likely to be found would likely fall under BIO1E. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think WP:BIO1E applies here: at very least Chatterjee has coverage not only for graduating but also for her association with the Denny Hospital for Women and Children; more broadly I don't think she's notable so much for the one-off event of graduating but for being a pioneering Indian female doctor. Reading the introduction to the book on Indian women in science/medicine found by Piecesofuk it appears a complex topic not encompassed by "one event" type reductionism. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Weak keep. There's just enough here to squeak by the notability guideline, for me. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep - This can be expanded even if it's collecting WP:BASIC coverage that I've found on Google Books, the Smithsonian content, other archival materials, the newspaper coverage, etc. Not tolerating the "this is what happens when we let politics drive our editing" comment. Centuries later and Dr. Chatterjee is still causing controversy. Missvain (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep - per above, and I attempted to add this recent article to add support for WP:BASIC notability and the objective and ongoing significance of her achievements, which is not only her graduation from an American school and return to India, but also her founding of a hospital. So at minimum per WP:NEXIST, there appears to be ongoing support for her notability, even if it is not currently in the article. Beccaynr (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep: Agree with above. Notability established. - Ret.Prof (talk) 19:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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