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| MHP see all people in Turkey as Turk. So, all Kurdish speaking people are Turk according to MHP. If they were not Turk, they would not like them as nationalists; but they see them as Turk. Though, this idea is not correct; this is the view of MHP. We cannot claim that MHP is anti-Kurdish because they think Kurdish people are Turkish people and they are Turkish nationalists.] 17:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Ideology Bloat == | |||
| I see that there is quite a number of ideologies in the indobox. I propose narrowing them down to the below: | |||
| I read this website http://www.kurtulus-online.com/www/kurtulus200004/261.html.This reference is totally wrong. They say that MHP is also anti-Circussian. (I can understand Anti-Kurdishism, but Anti-Circussianism is totally silly!) | |||
| *Ultranationalism | |||
| *Neo-fascism | |||
| *Right-wing populism | |||
| ] (]) 16:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| "At içinden Çerkezi gitsin Kafkasına" | |||
| MHP supported Cahar Dudayev against Russia for example. Many MHP members are ethnicially Circussian. | |||
| Please do not use incorrect sources. This sentence does not belong to MHP! (There are some similar claims by Nihal Atsız, but there are not such claims by Turkes, for sure!) | |||
| ] 17:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :The thing is, "The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is ], not truth." Otherwise, it would be considered ] unless you cite sources to contradict the quote. <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 03:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| = Comments = | |||
| ==Disvusion== | |||
| Another stupid article. These words are completely wrong. And the source is a non-objecttive site. alparsan Türkes said thousand of time Turks and Kurds are brothers and sisters. ] 23:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Thare are better ways to ''improve'' articles than deleting what you think is ''stupid''. --] 11:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| "I want to kill Turks" These words belong to leader of Human Rights group in Turkey. Subjektiv claims by Human Rights organization cannot be published here. ] 11:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Please cite the quote. Your statement that Human Rights Organisations' words cannot be used here is incorrect. Enjoy your upcoming 3RR block. --] 11:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Incivility is not welcome do not taunt people. Incivility can be a blockable offense, people have been blocked indefinately for that in extreme cases. --<small>] ]</small> 22:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Well, funny seeing you here... ''"Disvusion" ???'' --] 10:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I want to know who is the "Human rights Experts in Turkey". You just write here unproved, lie theories. ] 11:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I did not write any of this article, but I'll be sure to read and watch it now. --] 11:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ]]] | |||
| And i want to inform you MHP supporters never burn a Kurdish(!) flag. Because there is no kurdish flag. There a lot of federation, con-federation flags. And MHP never recognize federation or con-federation(truely there is no federation or confederetaion in Turkey), burning a flag means recagnizing a country or a group. This claim is completely lie. And I think pkk terrorist write that here. If anyone prove that event, i will never write in Misplaced Pages. ] 02:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Actually, there is a ]. I would encourage you to write ] Misplaced Pages rather than delete that which you do not agree with. --] 08:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| This flag is the flag of Iraq Kurdistan. PKK has a lot of con-federation and federation flags but they usually dont use this flag. And I mentioned in above MHP supporters never burn a Kurdistan flag because they(Turkish goverment also) don't recognize any Kurdistan. Also they think origin of Kurds are Turks. This claim stay here for months and nobody could claim it. Then I remove it. ] 16:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| ''] experts in Turkey make the organization responsible for more than 4,000 murders, primarily of ], Turkish ]s, and ] journalists and union leaders. One of their deadliest acts was the organisation of anti-] ] in ] in 1978 that left 111 people dead. Today, the Turkish army and special forces actively recruit MHP members to fight in special commando units in Turkey's war against ].'' | |||
| *Firstly "murder" isnt exactly a neutral word. | |||
| *Secondly what is the source of this information? | |||
| *Thirdly does turkish army referance have any basis? If so how is it relevant to human rights? Americans hire iraqis to fight against Al-Quaida in Iraq, that is not mentioned in ] | |||
| :--<small>] ]</small> 22:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I try to explain who these Human rights experts(!). They are protest Turkish army and police. They never protest Pkk and his terrorist actions. Even they kill babies and rape womans. | |||
| In 2005 a terrorist enter Turkish goverment's building with bomb, Turkish Intelligent Service had already reported the turkish police about that event. Turkish police warn him hunderds of times to dont detonate the bomb. But he have tried to detonate bomb but he can't(because of nervous)then he started to escape. 2 minutes later he tried again but Turkish Special Forces shot down him with sniper shot. And Human Rights Organisation blame Turkish police and said that this is an attack to human rights. | |||
| For these reasons the founder of Human Right Organisitaion Adalet Ağaoğlu retired from leadership. And she says H.R.O is become a pkk supporter, terrorist organisation. The sentences here but i cant translate them because my english level is not good. | |||
| "Terör artıyor, terörle birlikte IHD’nin tutumu daha bir tartışılır hale geldi. Orada neler yaşandığını biliyorum. En temel hak olan insanın yaşama hakkını korumak amacıyla kurduğumuz bir dernek, öldürülen insanlara sahip çıkmıyor. O zaman kimin insan haklarını savunuyoruz sorusu geliyor akla. PKK terörü karşısında tavır almayan insan hakları derneği olur mu?" | |||
| ] 03:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * Agreed with <small>] ]</small>, that part needs a revision and a reference to ] {{tr icon}}. Adalet Ağaoğlu said something like "Terror is increasing, due to this increase attitude of HRO on terror became disputed. I knew what is going on there. This organisation which we, as founders, intended to protect the most basic human right, survival, do not pay any attention to people killed. The question, whose right are we trying to protect, comes to mind then. Can anybody define a HRO that keeps silent for the terrorist attacks of PKK?"] 21:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Fascism == | |||
| Regarding my last edit: mainstream call them fascist. this also list it as fascist: http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country_N-T so it's fascist as per Misplaced Pages standards. ] 05:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Ideology Bloat
I see that there is quite a number of ideologies in the indobox. I propose narrowing them down to the below:
- Ultranationalism
- Neo-fascism
- Right-wing populism
ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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