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== why does nothing talk about his computer password == |
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== Is Vice magazine a reliable source? == |
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I mean, I have found Vice to be useful with some of its stories and not useful with others. Maybe a better source could be found regarding his anti-feminist views and so forth... such a source shouldn't be difficult to find.--] (]) 22:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC) |
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There was a leak in which he had as his computer password The Night of Long Knives as well as the date the jwews got expelled from England....there is no mention of that in his controversies. ] (]) 18:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Education Infobox== |
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== COVID-19/''Newsweek'' == |
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He did not graduate from either the University of Manchester or the University of Cambridge, he only attended briefly before being kicked out. His infobox listing these institutions as his 'education' seems in accurate because he did not complete a program of study at either. If you look at Bill Gates' infobox it specifies that he "dropped out" of Harvard, Mark Zuckerberg's does the same - I propose doing similar for Yiannopoulos and noting that he was removed from both.] (]) 16:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:I have restored his incomplete education to the infobox. ] (]) 08:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC) |
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== Milo Yiannopoulos’s charity for white men closes with questions about where the money went == |
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{{ping|X-Editor}} I see you've re-added the information about Yiannopoulos having COVID-19, which is still only sourced to ''Newsweek''. I removed this yesterday with a summary mentioning ] and ]: . I have concerns about using that ''Newsweek'' article as a source, namely the apparent lack of fact-checking that went into an article reporting that he "had a 93-degree fever". ] (she/her • ]) 20:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:I'd be fine with waiting for another source to cover this story. ] (]) 20:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::I'd prefer that plan of action. Would you self-revert? ] (]) 20:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I removed it just now. ] (]) 02:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks, I'm seeing another piece in and nothing else so far. ] (]) 02:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Milo's alleged covid situation is questionable, shady; he is a attention craving provocateur and cannot be taken seriously. "Pink" is gossip blog. He lied many times in order to become a headline news even in gossip blogs. (His whole life is a mess, especially his alleged marriage and "new" celibate life as a devout Catholic and "TruNews" contributor.) ] (]) 06:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC) |
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* https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380821-milo-yiannopoulos-charity-for-white-men-closes-with-questions/ |
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== Alt-right == |
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Milo has disavowed being a part of the alt-right movement on several occasions, as have most of the prominent right-wing pundits once associated with it. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:07, 28 September 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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:Please see past discussions on this topic at ] and ] ] ] 18:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::I've seen it. The consensus informed by reliable sources is that this appellation is inaccurate. If you feel it is not, you should provide uncontested reliable sources that demonstrate that in the article cum op cit. As it is, the lead is grossly inaccurate and unsupported. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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:::Hard to prove one does not beat ones wife, when there is no wife and never has been. You would think further evidence would have emerged since accusations 2+ years ago. |
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:::If Milo Yiannopoulos is ALT-RIGHT the evidence is not in the article and beyond Buzzfeed is there anything "real"/ ] (]) 01:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== "Far right" == |
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Many right-leaning people like Milo are constantly labelled as "far right" on Misplaced Pages. Nazism is far right; Milo is not far right. |
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{{ping|Cortador}} {{tq| The citation you brought up is for the alma_mater parameter, not the education parameter.}} Hi, no this is wrong. The ] says "This parameter is a more concise alternative to (not addition to) |education= ... It is usually not relevant to include <u>either</u> parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise", the either referring to education and alma mater --] (]) 12:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC) |
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I know Misplaced Pages lacks the academic rigour of normal Encyclopedias, but it does seem to have become a bastion of left-leaning contributors. |
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== Long quotations of Milo's views == |
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How many people are labelled "far left" by comparison? Barely anyone. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Misplaced Pages reflects what is reported in independent, reliable sources. ] (she/her • ]) 19:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::With a smattering of vice, buzzfeed and the other left trolls day jobs. ] (]) 01:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Why would we promote Milo's views in those long quotes, there is no need for more than what first two sentences express. Further, Milo is not "critic of Islam" to be categorized as such - his animus against Muslims expressed in million ways has taken privilege of being called "critic of Islam" from him long time ago. He is a bigot and Islamophobe, and it is unacceptable to put him in the same group as late ], for instance, who genuinely belong to a group of Islam and religion critics with legit arguments. It should be explained why something gets reverted, that's the least we owe to each other. ]] 14:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== List of Milo's books and Penn State appearance == |
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Hi, I was hoping to add a list of books that Milo has published with the year and ISBNs as well as a sentence about his latest Penn State appearance. The second reference says that 10,000 people signed a petition to stop Milo. This was not a minor event. Here are some examples of Penn State coverage: |
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:I do think "Critic of" categories are better reserved for those who have an academic/philosophical take on the subject. I agree over-quotation of Milo is a problem. ] (] / ]) 14:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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https://princetoniansforfreespeech.com/free-speech-hate-and-penn-state-what-first-amendment-experts-say-about-milo-yiannopoulos |
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::Of course, we should avoid quotations which contain some specific information in vacuum, like those bits I removed but another editor reverted without explanation. When we put something that needs additional elaboration or explanation, all with RS, but don't do that then we promote that info or at least leave reader with a huge question mark over his head; if go into explanation we risk going off topic, and so on. And for label "critic" - it should be reserved, specifically, for genuine critics, not for "pro-trolls". ]] 15:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Feel free to make any ] changes. ] (]) 15:49, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::To be fair, Santa was bold and then they were reverted, so this is a good move. ] (] / ]) 16:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I later restored my "version", and I hope you guys agree? If some disagree, we can always roll back old version or discuss it more, or bring some new ideas. ]] 17:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::It's a good edit. ] (]) 00:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Category was rv again without TP discussion, I assume on the pretense that we have specific guideline or policy which regulates this problem and allow bold and without discussion removal - we don't, because if did we wouldn't have ] filled with BP' and BLP's.--]] 19:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC) |
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https://www.thecollegefix.com/milo-yiannopoulos-is-back-on-campus-no-longer-gay-but-still-attracting-controversy/?fbclid=IwAR2nDZ3pGyvjEafLOp6Dxsw7qdn5wTxndhanX33uWkyJ_xxVJomTAggM684 |
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== His reversion to catholicism? == |
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https://www.psu.edu/news/administration/story/university-leaders-denounce-yiannopoulos-comments-and-tour/ |
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nothing about his reversion to catholicism? ] (]) 18:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/penn-state-students-condemn-message-of-milo-yiannopoulos-pray-the-gay-away-event/article_dd2c6864-3c31-11ec-84ec-8f38e9df8c30.html |
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https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/penn-state-students-against-sexist-violence-to-protest-milo-yiannopoulos-visit-uncensored-america/article_3f164da2-3736-11ec-ae27-2f2c60c84882.html |
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Here is a list of books with date and ISBN: |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = Dangerous| year = 2017 | isbn = 9780692893449}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = Diabolical: How Pope Francis Has Betrayed Clerical Abuse Victims Like Me—And Why He Has to Go | year = 2018 | isbn = 9781642931631}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = How to Be Poor | year = 2019 | isbn = 9789527303535}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = Middle Rages: Why the Battle for Medieval Studies Matters to America | year = 2019 | isbn =9789527303559}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = How to Be Straight | year = 2019 | isbn =9789527303566}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = The Trial of Roger Stone | year = 2020 | isbn =9789527303597}} |
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I added one sentence about the Penn State event, but it was swiftly deleted. The list of books was also deleted. I would hope to see these basic facts included in the article. |
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] (]) 04:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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] (]) 14:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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] (]) 02:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Please achieve consensus for a contested change rather than continuously reinserting it—you are beginning to ]. I agree with ] that the Penn State appearance does not seem to have the kind of coverage in quality sources to justify inclusion, and should be left out. The bibliography I don't really have strong feelings about one way or the other. ] (she/her • ]) 04:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Ban me all you want, GorillaWarfare. It's not like I am any to make any edits anyway. I saw this article, and it reminded me of you, GorillaWarfare. This is exactly how you operate on Misplaced Pages. You are using the platform to push your own left-wing political views. |
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::In the case of this article, it is perfectly acceptable to have paragraph after paragraph based on a Buzzfeed piece. But GorillaWarfare threatens to ban me if I add something neutral like a list of books published or articles from the Penn State newspaper. |
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::To make matters worse, people will swoop down and "archive" what I am writing here so no one can tell what is going on. Just wait for this thread to be "archived" and for me to be banned for trying to add a list of published books. |
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::] (]) 17:49, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Where have I threatened to ban you? ] (she/her • ]) 17:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Here comes GorillaWarfare within 1 minute of me posting something! You banned me in 2020, and you are threatening to ban me again in the comment above. Here is the article that reminds me of you: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia/ |
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:::::Do you recognize that? This is exactly how you operate, GorillaWarfare! So ban me again. It's not like I am allowed to make any edits anyway. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::::You're yelling at me for responding promptly to a comment addressed to me? |
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::::::Ah, I see now that I blocked you in 2020 (and also explained to you that ] back then). In that case you should be very familiar with the behavior requirements on pages such as this one, which are subject to discretionary sanctions. ] (she/her • ]) 18:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Glad that I am not banned. In that case, I will a section called "Works" that will include ISBNs.] (]) 18:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Milo == |
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I really don't think he is a alt right man. He just only supports freedom of speech and is quite hurtful on his words but to call him alt right when he is a Jewish man is kinda wrong. Because if you didn't know alt right I'd very white supremacist and anti semite and Milo is a jew ] (]) 18:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:This article is nothing but a bunch of content from a Buzzfeed article from 2017. Good luck trying to make any changes to this page. Your changes will immediately be deleted and GorillaWarfare here will ban you if you try to have a conversation about it. On top of that, you can expect your comments here to be periodically "archived" so that no one can tell what is going on with this page. |
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::This page is a joke. It is unencyclopedic and unreadable. Milo deserves something better than this. But you will get banned right away if you try to change the fact that this article is nothing but a bloated Buzzfeed hit piece. |
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There was a leak in which he had as his computer password The Night of Long Knives as well as the date the jwews got expelled from England....there is no mention of that in his controversies. Chefs-kiss (talk) 18:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
He did not graduate from either the University of Manchester or the University of Cambridge, he only attended briefly before being kicked out. His infobox listing these institutions as his 'education' seems in accurate because he did not complete a program of study at either. If you look at Bill Gates' infobox it specifies that he "dropped out" of Harvard, Mark Zuckerberg's does the same - I propose doing similar for Yiannopoulos and noting that he was removed from both.Boredintheevening (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Why would we promote Milo's views in those long quotes, there is no need for more than what first two sentences express. Further, Milo is not "critic of Islam" to be categorized as such - his animus against Muslims expressed in million ways has taken privilege of being called "critic of Islam" from him long time ago. He is a bigot and Islamophobe, and it is unacceptable to put him in the same group as late Christopher Hitchens, for instance, who genuinely belong to a group of Islam and religion critics with legit arguments. It should be explained why something gets reverted, that's the least we owe to each other. ౪ Santa ౪ 14:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Category was rv again without TP discussion, I assume on the pretense that we have specific guideline or policy which regulates this problem and allow bold and without discussion removal - we don't, because if did we wouldn't have Category:Antisemitism in the United Kingdom filled with BP' and BLP's.--౪ Santa ౪ 19:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
