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			== Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2022 ==
	== Catalan political prisoners ==

			{{edit semi-protected\|Political prisoner\|answered=yes}}
	An agreement had already been reached as to their status, and that was even before the recent developments in Germany and Scotland. Nevertheless, certain users with Spanish sounding-handles or Spanish IPs insist on trying to remove their names surreptitiously. Why? Are those Misplaced Pages users as cowardly as those who govern them? I feel pity for you chaps. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			* ] (]) 16:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
	: I have approved your edit as it appears that the inclusion of these people is warranted by consensus above. That said, please do not insult other editors as it is ] and may result in a block. (Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes ). <span style="background-color: black">] ]</span> 16:07, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] ] 16:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
	::It is not us, the editors, who have to determine what their status is. Amnesty International issued an official statement considering the charge of sedition and the preventive imprisonment "excessive" but made it clear that does not consider them political prisoners.<ref>{{Cite news\|url=https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur41/7308/2017/en/\|title=Spain: charges for sedition and pre-trial detention against Jordi Cuixart and Jordi Sanchez are excessive\|work=Amnesty International\|access-date=2017-10-18}}</ref><ref name="ElMundo08112017">{{cite news \|title=Amnistía no ve como presos políticos a los dirigentes catalanes detenidos \|url= http://www.elmundo.es/cataluna/2017/11/08/5a033877e5fdea2e408b45d0.html\|work= ]\|date= 8 November 2017\|access-date= 8 November 2017 }}</ref> --] 🐳 ♂ ] 18:32, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
			::Hi, change: proposed an additional reference weblink to this source (witness account of a political prisoner).
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			::The German version of the site is listed as weblink at the German Misplaced Pages page for this topic: https://de.wikipedia.org/Politische_Haft_(DDR) ] (]) 21:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
	:::Added back the names that had been <s>censored</s> edited out in good faith. This has been discussed at length above. You may not agree with the consensus reached by other editors, in that case please try to persuade them to change their minds but do not edit stuff single-handed just because you think you know better. Cheers ~~ ] (]) 00:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC) ~~
			::I am not familiar with the systema and edit modes. The change was inquired because the domain changed (old: stasiprison.org). Please check of the link works and resolves the correct source for this witness account. ] (]) 10:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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			== Re-add Abdullah "Apo" Öcalan to the list ==
	I guess that's a reasonable enough source to settle this matter?

			On 13 November 2022, Misplaced Pages user ] removed ] from the heading infobox, noting that "abdullah öcalan is not a political prisoner, is a terrorist". Later it was discovered that that account was a sockpuppet of user ]. The ] reveals multiple abuses of pages relating to highly politicized topics, including articles such as ], ], ], ], and ], straying away from neutral language, and as ] put it, "Usual focus on terrorism in Turkey related articles".
	https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/spain/#report-toc__section-1__subsection-9

			The webpage for Öcalan already had discussions about the legitimacy of referring to him as a political prisoner; see: ].
	] (]) 22:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

			Major points from this previous discussion:
	== Category for political prisoners recreated, challenged ==
			*"...he is banned from holding a public office for life and engaged heavily in the peace process through his books and messages released from prison."
			*"The EU court ruled he did not receive a fair trial."
			*"Öcalan is seen by many independent sources as a political prisoner."
			*"...he's been referred to as a political prisoner by the Turkish govt itself."

			Perhaps there may not be a need to re-add him to the infobox, as it appears clean now with only four characters, but I suggest that he is at least added to the article's list of individuals. ] (]) 20:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
	Please see ] <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 03:12, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

	:By the weight of argument from Misplaced Pages policies, that discussion was closed as: Convert to container category by designating organization.
	:Here is a list of the present contents of ], for consideration as to whether to list more of these entries at ] or in more specific articles. – ] ] 11:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
	::For the record, I have challenged that close, as my reading of that discussion is 'no consensus' which should default to keep. See ]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 12:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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	== Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2022 ==

	{{edit semi-protected\|Political prisoner\|answered=yes}}
	Delete "and mass murderer" from sentence on Abdullah Ocalan. Clearly an ideological edit. ] (]) 15:56, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2022

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East Germany: Political Prisoner Eyewitness Account from Stasi Prison (13 April 1985 - 13 August 1986) Gumbalaya (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, change: proposed an additional reference weblink to this source (witness account of a political prisoner).

The German version of the site is listed as weblink at the German Misplaced Pages page for this topic: https://de.wikipedia.org/Politische_Haft_(DDR) Gumbalaya (talk) 21:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I am not familiar with the systema and edit modes. The change was inquired because the domain changed (old: stasiprison.org). Please check of the link works and resolves the correct source for this witness account. Gumbalaya (talk) 10:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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Re-add Abdullah "Apo" Öcalan to the list

On 13 November 2022, Misplaced Pages user Savy Wotton removed Abdullah Öcalan from the heading infobox, noting that "abdullah öcalan is not a political prisoner, is a terrorist". Later it was discovered that that account was a sockpuppet of user CarlostheJackal01. The investigation from 2022-2023 reveals multiple abuses of pages relating to highly politicized topics, including articles such as List of terrorist incidents in 1970, Falls Curfew, List of criminal enterprises, gangs, and syndicates, Corporate crime, and War crime, straying away from neutral language, and as FDW777 put it, "Usual focus on terrorism in Turkey related articles".

The webpage for Öcalan already had discussions about the legitimacy of referring to him as a political prisoner; see: Talk:Abdullah_Öcalan/Archive_2#Not_a_political_prisoner.

Major points from this previous discussion:

"...he is banned from holding a public office for life and engaged heavily in the peace process through his books and messages released from prison."
"The EU court ruled he did not receive a fair trial."
"Öcalan is seen by many independent sources as a political prisoner."
"...he's been referred to as a political prisoner by the Turkish govt itself."

Perhaps there may not be a need to re-add him to the infobox, as it appears clean now with only four characters, but I suggest that he is at least added to the article's list of individuals. 162.223.16.74 (talk) 20:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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