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As with the ], being on the ] doesn't get much more than announcements of nomination or Senate approval in the media, far short of satisfying ]. ] (]) 07:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC) As with the ], being on the ] doesn't get much more than announcements of nomination or Senate approval in the media, far short of satisfying ]. ] (]) 07:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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*'''Delete all''' There is clearly not GNG level coverage for any of them.] (]) 14:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC) *'''Delete all''' There is clearly not GNG level coverage for any of them.] (]) 14:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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*'''Delete Fortson; keep Puchala; keep DuBester'''. These are tricky because there are ''so'' many trivial mentions to wade through, and I wish that they hadn't been nominated for deletion en bloc. But on balance, I've reached pretty much the same conclusions as DaffodilOcean, although for slightly different reasons. I agree that Fortson isn't notable: there are quite a few trivial mentions, but nothing substantial. I also agree that Puchala ''is'' notable: sources like , , and point to a ] pass, particularly when combined with other less in-depth sources. DuBester is a close call, and I've gone back and forth on him several times. The ''New York Times'' articles mentioned above don't cut it for me: one is a non-independent interview and two are non-significant trivial mentions. But importantly, DuBester has also served on the ], a higher-profile agency than the NMB. That means we have sources like and , plus coverage of various decisions of his (e.g. several noteworthy dissents during the Trump administration). I think he probably passes the notability threshold as well. As always, I'm glad to reconsider any of these positions if there's something I've missed. ] (]) 07:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Extraordinary Writ}} - I don't have access to newspapers. com, and the clips for Puchala are strong additions to the page. Is there anything about Fortson at newspapers.com? ] (]) 13:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
::{{u|DaffodilOcean}}, not that I could find. Searching for "Kyle Fortson" gives me 100 results, but the grand majority are about some unrelated high school basketball player in Indiana. As best I can tell, none of them refer to this Kyle Fortson. (By the way, you can get free Newspapers.com access through ]: it's really useful, especially for 20th-21st-century American topics.) ] (]) 16:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
:::{{u|Extraordinary Writ}} - OK, further support of the delete vote for Fortson, thanks for the update (and the tip about newspapers.com). ] (]) 23:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Kyle Fortson

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As with the recent delete verdict for Deirdre Hamilton, being on the National Mediation Board doesn't get much more than announcements of nomination or Senate approval in the media, far short of satisfying WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:

Linda Puchala (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ernest W. DuBester (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Comment (see below for comments on each individually) - I think these should be discussed separately as they each have different degrees of coverage. What is the process to separate out the discussion? DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

The Chicago Tribune article on Puchala is WP:SIGCOV DuBester is cited by the New York Times multiple times during the 1995 negotiations with Metro-North. I haven't dug into Fortson yet, but I don't think this can be conducted as one discussion for all members of the board. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Keep:Puchala Her work is covered in a book on women and unions, and in articles about her past position as president of the flight attendant union
Keep:DuBester His work on averting strikes has been covered in the New York Times.
Delete:Fortson I have been less successful at finding coverage of her, though her role on the Mexico Labor Expert Board was covered by Politico.
DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:25, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. Johnsson, Julie (30 March 2009). "A new player awaits seat". Chicago Tribune. p. 1.19.
  2. Nielsen, Georgia Panter (1982). From sky girl to flight attendant : women and the making of a union. Ithica, NY : ILR Press. p. 135. ISBN 978-0-87546-093-2.
  3. Karim, Persis (16 November 1985). "People's World 1985-11-16: Vol 48 Iss 46". Longview Publishing Company, Inc. Retrieved 9 February 2022.
  4. "AFL-CIO News 1984-03-03: Vol 29 Iss 9". American Federation of Labor and. 3 March 1984.
  5. Serrin, William (27 February 1984). "REPORTER'S NOTEBOOK: LABOR AND THE ISSUE OF LEBANON". The New York Times.
  6. Greenhouse, Steven (1 September 1985). "RESHAPING LABOR TO WOO THE YOUNG". The New York Times.
  7. Lueck, Thomas J. (14 July 1995). "Invitation To Strike:". The New York Times.
  8. Zuckerman, Laurence (1 July 2001). "FIVE QUESTIONS for ERNEST W. DuBESTER; In Defense Of the Oldest Labor Law". The New York Times.
  9. Greenhouse, Steven (26 March 2000). "ATTENDANTS UNION IN TENTATIVE DEAL WITH US AIRWAYS". The New York Times.
  10. Palmer, Doug (January 4, 2021). "USTR set to impose tariffs on French goods in tax dispute". POLITICO.

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  • Delete Fortson; keep Puchala; keep DuBester. These are tricky because there are so many trivial mentions to wade through, and I wish that they hadn't been nominated for deletion en bloc. But on balance, I've reached pretty much the same conclusions as DaffodilOcean, although for slightly different reasons. I agree that Fortson isn't notable: there are quite a few trivial mentions, but nothing substantial. I also agree that Puchala is notable: sources like , , and point to a WP:BASIC pass, particularly when combined with other less in-depth sources. DuBester is a close call, and I've gone back and forth on him several times. The New York Times articles mentioned above don't cut it for me: one is a non-independent interview and two are non-significant trivial mentions. But importantly, DuBester has also served on the Federal Labor Relations Authority, a higher-profile agency than the NMB. That means we have sources like and , plus coverage of various decisions of his (e.g. several noteworthy dissents during the Trump administration). I think he probably passes the notability threshold as well. As always, I'm glad to reconsider any of these positions if there's something I've missed. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
@Extraordinary Writ: - I don't have access to newspapers. com, and the clips for Puchala are strong additions to the page. Is there anything about Fortson at newspapers.com? DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
DaffodilOcean, not that I could find. Searching for "Kyle Fortson" gives me 100 results, but the grand majority are about some unrelated high school basketball player in Indiana. As best I can tell, none of them refer to this Kyle Fortson. (By the way, you can get free Newspapers.com access through the Misplaced Pages Library: it's really useful, especially for 20th-21st-century American topics.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Extraordinary Writ - OK, further support of the delete vote for Fortson, thanks for the update (and the tip about newspapers.com). DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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