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*'''Delete''' only one source in Gscholar found in Turkish. ] (]) 00:19, 7 February 2022 (UTC) *'''Delete''' only one source in Gscholar found in Turkish. ] (]) 00:19, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' References have been added, proofs of international exhibitions, etc. Further references and inline citations are in preparation.] (]) 14:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC) *'''Keep''' References have been added, proofs of international exhibitions, etc. Further references and inline citations are in preparation.] (]) 14:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' Article remains largely unsourced for year and place of birth, education, technique, and some awards. Additionally the reference to Académie Internationale de la Céramique and her membership is not RS. She is a member of the association and essentially create . ] (]) 18:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC) *'''Comment''' Article remains largely unsourced for year and place of birth, education, technique, and some awards. Additionally the reference to Académie Internationale de la Céramique and her membership is not RS. She is a member of the association and essentially create . ] (]) 18:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
:::In order to provide the needed information I would like to understand what type of information we need to attach. Is an official birth document required for date and place of birth? Or is a magazine, book, other document stating this information sufficient? Same for the College which unfortunately does not release a browsable documentation on their alumni site, what document is needed in this case? In was published by the newspaper La Repubblica in which they mention the German origin and studies at Goldsmith College, could it be sufficient? About the Académie Internationale de la Céramique, what do you mean by "RS"? Thank you. ] (]) 21:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC) :::In order to provide the needed information I would like to understand what type of information we need to attach. Is an official birth document required for date and place of birth? Or is a magazine, book, other document stating this information sufficient? Same for the College which unfortunately does not release a browsable documentation on their alumni site, what document is needed in this case? In was published by the newspaper La Repubblica in which they mention the German origin and studies at Goldsmith College, could it be sufficient? About the Académie Internationale de la Céramique, what do you mean by "RS"? Thank you. ] (]) 21:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::::{{u|MrCarloGrassi}}, Usually when an artist's work is in a notable collection, the institution lists the artists nationality and year of birth. I am not finding Putsch-Grassi listed in any online collections/museums. If there is a book or magazine listing this information, you should add an inline citation to the article. RS means "reliable source". You can read the article ]. I have updated the article to show precisely what needs to have a citation (or be removed). Best, ] (]) 22:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC) ::::{{u|MrCarloGrassi}}, Usually when an artist's work is in a notable collection, the institution lists the artists nationality and year of birth. I am not finding Putsch-Grassi listed in any online collections/museums. If there is a book or magazine listing this information, you should add an inline citation to the article. RS means "reliable source". You can read the article ]. I have updated the article to show precisely what needs to have a citation (or be removed). Best, ] (]) 22:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment''', according to works by Putsch-Grassi are held in the collections of ], ], and ] (amongst others), but have been unable to confirm, if any editor can provide ] she would then meet ]. ] (]) 05:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC) *'''Comment''', according to works by Putsch-Grassi are held in the collections of ], ], and ] (amongst others), but have been unable to confirm, if any editor can provide ] she would then meet ]. ] (]) 05:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
:::I just added official certification from the ], i hope this material is allowed as only the official document is available and no statement can be found on the museum website. As for the ], she donated the work of this to the permanent collection, but official proof is not available at the moment. ] (]) 21:46, 01 March 2022 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' Article includes references that evidence awards and exhibits. I found: "A way with clay; Some of the best potters in the world will be in Wales this weekend for the biennial International Ceramics Festival. Karen Price takes a look at the programme." Western Mail , 1 July 2011, p. 10." in which she is listed as an exhibitor. Italian journal in which she was the artist of the month. (in Milan). An in Rome. A in Puglia (famed for its ceramics). She's clearly part of the art ceramics scene in Italy and I think it passes NARTIST. ] (]) 18:21, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Spartaz 22:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Although she is an accomplish ceramicist, I cannot find any reliable independent sources to cite the information stated in the article. No evidence of participating in major exhibitions or in any collections. I think this may be WP:TOOSOON or non-notable. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)


This is an interesting point. I agree sources generated by the person alone are not sufficent. But let's say if an artist or author says something in an interview or an autobiography - couldn't this contain interesting information and thus be a relevant source? Provided the overall number of "objective" sources is satisfactory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radulf (talk • contribs) 11:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
A limited number of primary sources (including interviews) is allowed, but they should be a minor component of the overall reliable sources. Also, if you have access to the book sources referenced in the article, it would go a long ways towards proving notability if you could provide inline citations to specific page numbers. Curiocurio (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
OK,I will provide additional material in due course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radulf (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Comment Article remains largely unsourced for year and place of birth, education, technique, and some awards. Additionally the reference to Académie Internationale de la Céramique and her membership is not RS. She is a member of the association and essentially create that page. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
In order to provide the needed information I would like to understand what type of information we need to attach. Is an official birth document required for date and place of birth? Or is a magazine, book, other document stating this information sufficient? Same for the College which unfortunately does not release a browsable documentation on their alumni site, what document is needed in this case? In 2021 a guide was published by the newspaper La Repubblica in which they mention the German origin and studies at Goldsmith College, could it be sufficient? About the Académie Internationale de la Céramique, what do you mean by "RS"? Thank you. MrCarloGrassi (talk) 21:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
MrCarloGrassi, Usually when an artist's work is in a notable collection, the institution lists the artists nationality and year of birth. I am not finding Putsch-Grassi listed in any online collections/museums. If there is a book or magazine listing this information, you should add an inline citation to the article. RS means "reliable source". You can read the article Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. I have updated the article to show precisely what needs to have a citation (or be removed). Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I just added official certification from the National Museum of Slovenia, i hope this material is allowed as only the official document is available and no statement can be found on the museum website. As for the Riga Porcelain Museum, she donated the work of this exhibition to the permanent collection, but official proof is not available at the moment. MrCarloGrassi (talk) 21:46, 01 March 2022 (UTC)

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